Iran welcomes US nuclear report

[Woodrow]

Obviously you didn't read.

Guess what? I don't live with my head in the sand, nor am I naive.

No WWIII? Now you have to be kidding. Or you are naive.

It will happen. No one knows for sure how it will start, but it will start.

can't have WWlll yet, we never had WWll yet. WWl never ended, just the location and goals have been changing.

In my own suspicious mind I see us have been in a continuous war for at least 100 years. Originally it was nation against nation, but it evolved into economics. I doubt if the war could continue unless somebody was making a profit. In the past 100 years the distribution of wealth has shifted to the point where now all of the worlds wealth is controlled by a small minority although that has always been the case, it is now developed to the point where we can not identify a specific entity as the money rulers. War is no longer about domination or control of nations and/or people. It is over control of wealth and it is a small handful of people pulling the strings and manipulating all of us into following their bidding so the end result is our earnings only serve to line the pockets of a few.

 

[wilberhum]

can't have WWlll yet, we never had WWll yet. WWl never ended, just the location and goals have been changing.

In my own suspicious mind I see us have been in a continuous war for at least 100 years. Originally it was nation against nation, but it evolved into economics. I doubt if the war could continue unless somebody was making a profit. In the past 100 years the distribution of wealth has shifted to the point where now all of the worlds wealth is controlled by a small minority although that has always been the case, it is now developed to the point where we can not identify a specific entity as the money rulers. War is no longer about domination or control of nations and/or people. It is over control of wealth and it is a small handful of people pulling the strings and manipulating all of us into following their bidding so the end result is our earnings only serve to line the pockets of a few.

I don't find anything I would totaly disagree with. WWII was truly a result of WWI so you could call it a continuation but most distinguish between the two.

War is no longer about domination or control of nations and/or people.

and

It is over control of wealth

IMHO both have always been part of the cause of war, are part of the cause of war, and will continue to be part of the cause of war.
The balance between the two may shift and one group may be influanced more by one than by the other, but both will always be part of the cause.

Humans have been at war since there were two tribes.
(I think I have said that several dozen times)

I don't expect it to end soon.

That doesn't mean I think we shouldn't try though.

 

[Cognescenti]

you know if i was american i would be worried that my president has lied to me YET AGAIN, and has YET AGAIN built up a false sense of danger.

remember when bush said iran getting a nuclear bomb can lead to WORLD WAR THREE?!!!!!!!! well guess what, when he said that he was already informed of this report that iran had stopped their nuclear program.

so he was spewing about ww3 when he knew iran wasnt even making a bomb.

if your american i think that should make you more worried than a man all the way in the mid-east, you have your own president talking about ww3 based on a non-existent entity.....

Honestly, some of you guys sound like Chicken Little. Ease up on the espresso or something.

Let me try this again. The NIE stand for "National Intelligence Estimate". Do you know what "estimate" means? Let me help. It means "best guess" or "approximation". Nobody truly knows anything about Iranian intentions at the top. That might even apply to the Iranian leadership because they seem to have a decision-making process that is very obtuse due to distributed authority.

Remember, this is the same organization, (CIA) that you no doubt fault for getting the intelligence on Iraqi WMD's wrong. This is the same organization that wasn't sure about Korean nukes until they exploded one! This is the same organization that failed to predict the collapse of the Soviet Union (one of the most decisive events of the late 20th Century! Honestly, I wouldn't trust them to predict the weather next week. That is what I was explaining to you before. Once a nation has the fissionable material and a workable design, the rest is like a fancy tinkertoy set. So which is it? The CIA was wrong on multiple occaisions before but is right 100% this time??? Or could it be this bit of information fits your views so you choose to emphasize it? You wouldn't be so shallow or easily manipulated, would you?

Bush didn't "lie" about Iranian intentions. They are not knwon to us and in any event his statements predate the NIE. How can you people not understand the straightforward meaning of the word "to lie". It implies willfully telling a falsehood. Does the weather service lie if they predict rain 2 days in advance and it proves to be sunny? Good grief.

As for Bush predicting WWIII????? Did he really say that in as many words? I doubt it. He has said Iran is a threat. Duh, of course they are. They have a track record.

He has repeatedly said that diplomatic efforts should be tried and he is now trying to keep the diplomatic pressure up. You sound like my sister-in-law always worried about someone abducting her 24 year old daughter. Relax. There will not be a war between Iran and the US in Bush's term unless Iran shoots first. I promise

If there is, I will donate $50 to a charity of your choice that does not support terrorism (if you can find one). I will get a reciept and post it here.


BTW..you sound like a nutbar when you start talking about impeachment, it isn't going to happen unless a crime is committed I mean a real crime..not the kind inside your head.

 

[The_Prince]

BTW..you sound like a nutbar when you start talking about impeachment, it isn't going to happen unless a crime is committed I mean a real crime..not the kind inside your head.

wow so illegaly invading iraq based on a lie and made up facts which have left thousands of innocent ppl dead isnt crime? you show how sick you are and the sickness Muslims have to deal with.

i want everyone to look at his statement and realize EXACTLY what hes saying, which is that the american army illegally killing thousands of innocent Iraqis based on a lie is NOT a crime.

do you all remember shock and awe? how we saw it on tv, well do you know that every single bomb actually missed its target and hit population centers instead? no no thats not a crime. your the terrorist, and you just proved it to everyone, and with comments like your iran will be 100% justified to make a nuclear bomb, why wouldnt they be? you just said invading iraq based on lies which led to thousands of innocent iraqis dying at the hands of american troops isnt a crime, so who knows what else you ppl will do, therefore iran would have every right to make a bomb as a detterent to you terrorists.

 

[The_Prince]

and AGAIN you bring no actual proof that iran is making a bomb, you just spew your neocon-facist rhetoric and propaganda thinking that if you keep repeating yourself it all of a sudden becomes true, thats basics in mass-media deception infact, they keep repeating something until ppl start believing it. thats what your doing, no proof, no proof, no proof whatsoever, just as i repeat again, EMPTY NEO-CON FACIST PROPAGANDA.

 

[snakelegs]

prince,
the horrible reality is that it doesn't matter if it's true or not (any more than it mattered with iraq).
we live in a unipolar world now that the soviet union is gone, so u.s. can pretty much do whatever it wants to whoever it wants, so no proof is required.

 

[wilberhum]

Speaking of "No Proof", isn't that exactly what you have?

As much as I hate Bush, Bush did not lie.

He along with most of the world believed SH had WMD.

 

[snakelegs]

true - we don't have proof that he lied, but can you prove that he did not?
i see no reason to believe him just because he is the president.

 

[The_Prince]

Speaking of "No Proof", isn't that exactly what you have?

As much as I hate Bush, Bush did not lie.

He along with most of the world believed SH had WMD.

i can bring up a list of documentaries showing bush DID LIE and took the intelligance reports out of complete proportions and distorted them so bad.

 

[wilberhum]

i can bring up a list of documentaries showing bush DID LIE and took the intelligance reports out of complete proportions and distorted them so bad.

took the intelligance reports out of complete proportions and distorted them so bad, Ya, that be right. For what ever reason he wanted war and was will to distort the facts to get it. That still doesn't make the WMD assumption a lie. Most of the world thought SH had them. SH wanted everyone to think he had them. He thought, wrongly, it would keep him safe.
Many of his generals thought there were WMD, they just thought othere generals were the ones that had them.

Bush want war and he got it. But when it comes to distorting the facts, you do a better job than Bush.

 

[Cognescenti]

true - we don't have proof that he lied, but can you prove that he did not?
i see no reason to believe him just because he is the president.

Do you think that the framers of the Constitution anticipated that the inability to prove the negative is sufficient reason to impeach a President??

You don't want to believe him..or disagree with policy.....fine by me. You want impeachement...I suspect you will be in for a bit of a fight. How would it be if every time a President angered the Congress they brought impeachment charges?

 

[snakelegs]

did i say anything about impeachment? i think it's too late for that - and besides, then we'd have cheney.

 

[wilberhum]

did i say anything about impeachment? i think it's too late for that - and besides, then we'd have cheney.

Two valid reasons not to impeach. And the last is the most compelling.

President Cheney, OMG.

 

[Cognescenti]

and AGAIN you bring no actual proof that iran is making a bomb, you just spew your neocon-facist rhetoric and propaganda thinking that if you keep repeating yourself it all of a sudden becomes true, thats basics in mass-media deception infact, they keep repeating something until ppl start believing it. thats what your doing, no proof, no proof, no proof whatsoever, just as i repeat again, EMPTY NEO-CON FACIST PROPAGANDA.

Clearly I am not making myself understood. I am not saying Iran is making a bomb. Possibly the Iranian leadership has decided it is not worth the political damage at this time. I can also completely understand why they might think it would be a good idea. The fact remains that they hid a weapons program from the IAEA until it was discovered. That has at least got to make you wonder.

Also before you start throwing around words you don't understand (like Neo-con and Fascist) you might try to understand what I am trying to say. I do not work for the Bush Administration. Nobody is going to ask my opinion before they launch something, but I am here to tell you that you have your undies in a bunch over nothing. There will be no attack on Iran during this Admin.

The next one???????

 

[Cognescenti]

did i say anything about impeachment? i think it's too late for that - and besides, then we'd have cheney.

This is true.

Plus, if Giuliani wins he may make Bush look Mahatma Ghandi

 

[Keltoi]

The next administration will be busy enough finishing up this Iraq experience, and I doubt another war is in the works at all. At least not a war of choice. I see the next eight years being consumed with domestic American issues, and only our committments to Iraq and Afghanistan to distract from that.

 

[جوري]

true - we don't have proof that he lied, but can you prove that he did not?
i see no reason to believe him just because he is the president.

Bush is taking his Iraq speeches and changing the Q to an N.. it makes it easier for his imbecilic self to carry on in the same fashion while going on longer vacation...

this truly does remind me of a verse from suret Al-Anfal..

36. Lo! those who disbelieve spend their wealth in order that they may debar (men) from the way of God. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be conquered.

Ameen


peace!