Iran: Women claim equality

[wilberhum]

women in Iran are allowed to drive and compared to their Saudi counterparts,have better access to sports entertainment.

I don't thik driving a car or going to sports is the concern.
From the origional link:

We cannot become judges. Even if women become members of parliament, they can not talk about women's concerns - and remember these are women who are working close to the establishment!

But today we have lost many of our rights. For example, if a woman is killed, her blood money is half of what they pay for a man.

Or in the court of law two women witnesses are equal to one man.

The law, with regards to most issues, supports men. Men rule Iran.

And when all is said and done the real issue is:

In reality, equality of men and women does not exist in Iran.

 

[The_Prince]

they dont need western christian men to come liberate them thats for sure so keep your noses in your own affairs plz, if you care for womens rights and so on go shut your strip clubs down, ban porn, as well as legal brothels and prostitution, oh but the thing is you western non Muslim boys love these things, and here you are sticking your noses in trying to "liberate" iranian Muslim women, we know what liberation for women is according to you guys: half naked women in bikinis acting like idiots on girls gone wild, strip clubs, XXL videos, bikini contests, etc etc etc the list goes on!

 

[Woodrow]

this thread is way off topic and seems to have become personal feuds. The thread is temporarily closed until the off topic posts can be removed.

Sorry, the party is temporarily shut down. 35 posts are being temporarily unapproved until I have a chance to read them all. some may be deleted and some may be reapproved. But at the moment they will remain invisible.

:threadclo

 

[Pygoscelis]

they dont need western christian men to come liberate them thats for sure so keep your noses in your own affairs plz

Agreed. Let the Iranians take care of Iran's problems. The meddling has got to stop. It only makes things worse.

if you care for womens rights and so on go shut your strip clubs down, ban porn, as well as legal brothels and prostitution,

So you want to support womens rights by taking away lucrative job opportunities and restricting what women are permitted to do with their bodies?

we know what liberation for women is according to you guys: half naked women in bikinis acting like idiots on girls gone wild, strip clubs, XXL videos, bikini contests, etc etc etc the list goes on!

Absolutely, it is indeed naked women and women in bikinis. Its also women in suits, women in long gowns, women in military uniforms, women in judge's robes. Women wearing and doing what THEY want. That is what "freedom" means.

Oh, and I have to ask... XXL videos? Are those videos featuring the grossly obese?

 

[The_Prince]

Agreed. Let the Iranians take care of Iran's problems. The meddling has got to stop. It only makes things worse.



So you want to support womens rights by taking away lucrative job opportunities and restricting what women are permitted to do with their bodies?



Absolutely, it is indeed naked women and women in bikinis. Its also women in suits, women in long gowns, women in military uniforms, women in judge's robes. Women wearing and doing what THEY want. That is what "freedom" means.

Oh, and I have to ask... XXL videos? Are those videos featuring the grossly obese?

see you view my standpoint on closing strip clubs, brothels bikinis etc differently, just like how i view certain things you want with our society differently, therefore as you correctly said we should not interfere with each others societys, we can have friendly relations, but not meddle with each others societies or changing them.

 

[barney]

The Bikini as a Secular Burka? Hmm.

 

[guyabano]

Even, you belong to a secular society, you have to obey laws. Sometimes, I get the feeling that some board members think, that all western women run around in bikinis the whole day, roam around in bars, or whatever.
No, we also obey to laws, just with the difference, that these laws are human made. They say clearly, that when you like to wear a bikini, you must wear it in an appropriate place, like a beach, public swimming pool.

Further, the rights of women are more than 'just beeing allowed to drive a car'. The rights for women should also be able to build and design cars. Surveys have shown that women often look for different characteristics in cars than men, like color, texture of seats, while men prefer more power on engine.

Another point of equality would be 'household chores'. In the western world, you often see, that women are the breadwinners, while the husband raise the kids at home. How is that in islamic countries?

There is a pass I read on a website:

Regrettably, no serious efforts were made by Muslim scholars to investigate the various meanings of the words in this verse. The text has been even misinterpreted again to the advantage of men. This issue of 4:34 has been elegantly addressed by M. Shahroor. He concludes that capability and not gender is what determines who is in charge of the household affairs. Physically, men are more able than women (on average). Also, Traditionally and historically men owned resources and gave them to women or looked after women. Also, during childbirth and childrearing, it is women who suffer economically because they become less capable of attending to their work while looking after a child. These facts created a general phenomenon in many societies that men are more capable physically and economically. There are many exceptions to that, but in general it is true. The verse illustrates, according to Shahroor, that capability is variable among people and some men or women are more capable than others. Thus managing the household affairs is function of capability not gender. This is a sharp turn from all the other literature concerning this matter. We are faced with situations where a woman is indeed the manager of the house hold affairs, such a woman whose husband is incapacitated due to illness or a terminal condition or lack of income.

Taken from this website

So, Quaran does not determine exactly, who's in charge of a household, but still, you see only muslim men working in jobs in an family while the woman stay in household.

Further I found this:

It’s wrong to say that Islam does not allow women to participate in politics.

According to the Quran(60:12), Muhammad was told that when the believing women would come to him and swear their loyalty towards Islam then he must accept their oath. This narration on Quran itself justify the fact that Muslim women are allowed to choose their leader and can declare them publicly. In fact Islam also do not forbid the women from holding any designation in government.

Taken from this website

So, if it isn't wrong in Islam for women to go into politics, why we cannot find muslim women there?

 

[barney]

You can wear a Bikini in the middle of december in leeds city center if you like.
You will be cold and look stupid.

The imagry of women in the west doing that is Westaphobic propaganda with no substance built on the social and religious practices of not seeing a ankle and a wisp of hair showing being "alluring".

 

[wilberhum]

see you view my standpoint on closing strip clubs, brothels bikinis etc differently, just like how i view certain things you want with our society differently, therefore as you correctly said we should not interfere with each others societys, we can have friendly relations, but not meddle with each others societies or changing them.

It seams to me that you should take your own advise.

so keep your noses in your own affairs plz

 

[Keltoi]

This is simply a matter of different cultural norms. In the West, the roles of women and men aren't as strictly defined as they are in many other places in the world. There is a difference between strictly defined roles and outright abuse or persecution. As Westerners we sometimes work with the assumption that women in Muslim dominant countries are forced to do certain things against their will. The reality is that in most cases these women are gladly following the norms of their culture and community. Yes, there are obviously situations where abuse and unequal treatment are blatant, such as under the Taliban or other extreme rule, but I don't personally think this is the general way of things in Muslim societies.

Just to inject some humor, I've always found that the more submissive a woman acts in public, the more dominant she is when the front door is closed.