Iranians fired up over election

[abedsalam]

In America people have the right to protest and the goverment does not intefer with that right unless get violent and they would not fire live ammunition into a crowd to kill. Tear gas, rubber bullets maybe, but not lethal force. The people have a God given right to be heard and the government of Iran does not want the world to know what is really going on. This was an innocent 16 year old child who was doing nothing violent.

My dear Brother
I'm afraid your memory failed to mentioned the Firing and Killing of US Students protesting against the war in Vietnam. If i remember well it was at Kent University. You might like to check to archives which count the US citizens being shot and killed demonstrating against the War in Vietnam.
Look at the Death Penalty Rate in the US, Texas, and compare it with Iran.
The Aids Program in Iran pays for all antiviral medication, also including Gender Change Operations. Look at the AIDS rate in Washington DC among Blacks, comparable only with some African Countries.
We should also be careful not to fall in the trap of prefabricated slogans like Iran denying the Holocaust. The Jewish Community in Iran is the largest in the Middle East, ca. 30.000 members. They have one seat in the Iranian Parliament. Ahmedinajad only said that Israel with its more than 40 years of occupations and suppression of Palestine and ignoring all UN resolutions will one day disappear from the map.
Ayatollah Khomeini declared the Nuclear Program which was initiated by the
US and Germany useless and condemned the construction and usage of Atomic Weapons as unislamic in a Fatwa.
Do you sincerely believe that the Iranians with one Atomic Weapon like a Hiroshima type bomb, would be an existential threat to Israel which possesses an arsenal of at least 150 nuclear devices with supreme delivery vehicles, cruise missiles, MIRVS etc. Iranians have never attacked any neighbor Country but where object of Soviet Occupation, British and US interference in the last 100 years.
Whether Sunni or Shia, that is not the Question. Look at the map and You will see that in each of the neighbor Countries are US bases.
I also find the pictures and Videos coming out from Iran very disturbing but we as Muslims should never forget that it is the very first time in the History of Islam that a country tries to develop an Islamic REPUBLIC.
I wish all the people so concerned about the violation of Human Right's would also demonstrate in front of certain Islamic Countries Embassies which do not even allow women to drive a car nor to leave the house alone, not to mention voting rights..
Or would demonstrate for the Rights of our Sisters to study and leave Analphabetism behind. IN many Islamic Countries the illiteracy rate among women is more than 60%. In Iran we have a female Vice President, the rate of female Students at Iranian Universities is higher than 50%.
Let our Iranian Brothers sort out their enormous problems without interference from abroad. I

 

[Zafran]

Ayatollah Khomeini declared the Nuclear Program which was initiated by the
US and Germany useless and condemned the construction and usage of Atomic Weapons as unislamic in a Fatwa.

salaam

this is true

peace

 

[O2K]

In America people have the right to protest and the goverment does not intefer with that right unless get violent and they would not fire live ammunition into a crowd to kill. .

Unless your at Kent State.

 

[The_Prince]

I think it we are seeing another revolution.

no we are not, because not all Iranians are against the government. you say this is like back in 1979, which is quite an ignorant statement to make. EVERYONE in Iran back in 79 was against the Shah, he had no support at all, in today's Iran everyone is NOT against ahmedinijad, infact he just won an election incase you didnt realize, no matter how much your own media brainwashes you with their propaganda that it was rigged bla bla, face the music, he won the election, so this isnt a revolution, its a bunch of thugs and hoodlums protesting because of sour grapes.

furthermore did you know that Tehran isnt the only city in Iran? and that 95%of all protests have happened in this city mainly? so no, there is no revolution, as much as you a western would love to see one.

 

[The_Prince]

I doubt, people in tv who say that Iranians want democracy are in mistake I guess. They still want to live in shiite republic, but many of them dont like the way they country was ruled by the last few years. But on the other hand, only Iranians living there can say what it is all about.

most of the Iranians in Iran are on par with your first 2 sentences, they dont want a complete overthrow of the Islamic republic, just more flexibility and less strictness etc.

 

[The_Prince]

also about Neda, yes what happened to her is bad, and they should find the person who did it if they can, but i find it really funny that westerners are using her death as some symbol, and saying awww how sad. where the hell were you guys when hundreds of nedas were being killed in Palestine just a few months ago? being killed with your tax dollars and your weapons, and the support of your voted government? where was the rage when a 1 week old baby died, or when a whole familly died in their house, or when a 5 month old baby died, where all of you guys??? bunch of hypocrites, dont even pretend that you guys give a **** about neda, its an insult to her.

 

[abedsalam]

We should stop underlining the differences between Shiites and Sunbnis. It is an ISLAMIC Republic. Further generations will judge about it but we should leave our Islamic brothers i Iran alone to sort out differences. Think about the history of the French Revolution or the History of the Cuban Revolution, each of them a revolution sui generis

 

[abedsalam]

also about Neda, yes what happened to her is bad, and they should find the person who did it if they can, but i find it really funny that westerners are using her death as some symbol, and saying awww how sad. where the hell were you guys when hundreds of nedas were being killed in Palestine just a few months ago? being killed with your tax dollars and your weapons, and the support of your voted government? where was the rage when a 1 week old baby died, or when a whole familly died in their house, or when a 5 month old baby died, where all of you guys??? bunch of hypocrites, dont even pretend that you guys give a **** about neda, its an insult to her.[/QUOTE

Maybe I missed it but who spoke about the at least 120 civilians killed in the last US Air Strike in Afghanistan?
Hypocrites and Suckers who swallow every lie of the Imperium. Goebbels know how to do it Repeat the lies as often as possible under different disguise and they become reality. Where is YOUR historical conscience, Brothers?

 

[The_Prince]

no one spoke about the 120 dead, no one cares, their just afghani villagers, their blood is worthless to westerners, just a small statement of 'regret' and thats it.

 

[abedsalam]

sorry to correct you, I DO care and I'm a 'Westerner" lol

 

[The_Prince]

sorry to correct you, I DO care and I'm a 'Westerner" lol

when i say westerner= none-Muslim, if your Muslim it doesnt matter if ur westerner or from mars, your part of the ummah. im technically a westerner too, born in the U.S. and all that.

 

[ragdollcat1982]

when i say westerner= none-Muslim, if your Muslim it doesnt matter if ur westerner or from mars, your part of the ummah. im technically a westerner too, born in the U.S. and all that.

Of course we are all horrible evil people:enough!: I am just as outraged as anyone else about what is happening in Palestine and Afganistan. I do care about Neda and the other one like her. Muslims talk about Palestine and the atrocites commited there, but what about what is happening in Darfur, the murder and the rapes going on there? Since it is mostly Christians this is happening to it isnt as heinous?

 

[Grace Seeker]

In America people have the right to protest and the goverment does not intefer with that right unless get violent and they would not fire live ammunition into a crowd to kill. Tear gas, rubber bullets maybe, but not lethal force. The people have a God given right to be heard and the government of Iran does not want the world to know what is really going on. This was an innocent 16 year old child who was doing nothing violent.

You're probably just not old enough to remember. Though it usually wasn't like what we are seeing in Tehran today, we too have killed our own, and I don't just mean the Civil War. Ever hear of Kent State? And there were plenty before it that aren't known as well simply because they weren't on live TV.

(And I see that I was slow to make my comment, as many have already referred to Kent State before me.)

 

[mohsen1985]

Neda was actually 26, not 16. Guess it's another lie made up by the media to make things look worse:blind:

 

[north_malaysian]

!!! ایران آزاد​

 

[salafy_masry]

Same as the actions of the Jews .. they want to control the media to show that they are right

 

[Grace Seeker]

Same as the actions of the Jews .. they want to control the media to show that they are right

I know a lot of people working in the media. I know owners, producers, reporters, and editors. I know TV, radio, and newspapers. I know small town markets and large city markets. I myself have been a newspaper photographer/journalist. And in that context I have known Christians and humanists and Muslims and pagans and even one Wiccan. But while I certainly don't know everyone, I can tell you that I personally don't know one single Jew in that entire group. (And it's not that I don't know any Jews at all either; I know plenty in other contexts, just not working in the media.) I'm not saying that there aren't any Jews involved in the media, there are, but the idea that Jews control the media is more than a little overstated. And, really, it isn't relative to the discussion underway in this thread.

 

[Zafran]

I think he means the pro zionists control the media - they atleast used to control the media - For the past 30 years there was no discussion about Isreal was always one sided atleast in the US it was. You also have to take in account of large corporations and there influence on the media - thats no conspiracy theory thats preety much factual - lets not forget about the pro Isreali Lobby and its past influenece.

However back to the topic on the Issue on Iran - most of america is against Iran anyway. Dont realy expect anything new from Fox News or CNN.

 

[Amadeus85]

Same as the actions of the Jews .. they want to control the media to show that they are right

I cant say about other countries, but in my country one of the biggest daily newspaper is own and ran by people with jewish roots. I dont know if I can call them jews, because they are mostly atheists or agnostics. All are very liberal, fiercely anti catholic, pro european and used to be radical communists in past. I can also say that great majority of our feminists had jewish parents or grandparents.

 

[Zafran]

I cant say about other countries, but in my country one of the biggest daily newspaper is own and ran by people with jewish roots. I dont know if I can call them jews, because they are mostly atheists or agnostics. All are very liberal, fiercely anti catholic, pro european and used to be radical communists in past. I can also say that great majority of our feminists had jewish parents or grandparents.

are they heavily pro Isreal??