Irans New Plane

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Roughly one tenth the cost of a Stealth Bomber.
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As you saw with the conflict with Israel, 100 million dollars is more than enough for guerilla warfare.

The world is happy for Iran to develope nuclear energy. The fear is they might develope nuclear weapons.
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And who's accusation are they believing? Bush's??
 
Iran should buy a F-22 on the black market and then let engineers break the fighter down all the way to it's infancy and check how everything is build

then they should use that info to manufacture their own F-22's

in case of a airbattle the US will be resisted with their own technology

that's how the brits did it when they caught one german superior airfighter

they used the technology and then became the superior force in the air during WW2

that's smart!
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They're buying F16s from Venezuela and are then upgrading it.
 
AHMED_GUREY said:
Iran should buy a F-22 on the black market ...
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There is no 'black market' for F-22s'. The U.S. hasn't sold any. And I haven't heard of any other, older U.S. jets being sold that way. Hugo Chavez has threatened to sell some F-16s', but they are an older model with no spare parts. Besides, reverse engineering isn't that easy with modern day fighters. And then there is the problem of finding enough competent pilots. I'm a firm believer that if the U.S. shows the world an advanced fighter, they have something even more advanced that they aren't showing.
 
QuranStudy said:
They're buying F16s from Venezuela and are then upgrading it.
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They haven't bought them yet, and anything that Iran would do to them wouldn't be an 'upgrade'. Iran can't get spare parts for their old F-4s'. How are they going to work on an F-16 ?
 
brainiac said:
There is no 'black market' for F-22s'. The U.S. hasn't sold any. And I haven't heard of any other, older U.S. jets being sold that way. Hugo Chavez has threatened to sell some F-16s', but they are an older model with no spare parts. Besides, reverse engineering isn't that easy with modern day fighters. And then there is the problem of finding enough competent pilots. I'm a firm believer that if the U.S. shows the world an advanced fighter, they have something even more advanced that they aren't showing.
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i know there hiding it right now in AREA-51 :uhwhat

and Iran has a nuke but is just playing where is Waldo with the US....

:?
 
QuranStudy said:
Anyone else have F18s?
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A few countries. Canada, Spain, I'm pretty sure Taiwan does. Still, if you got your hands on one, you'd be grounded after one or two flights for lack of spare parts. The maintainance on these things is mind-boggling.


P.S. Quran, you've earned every one of those warning points.;D
 
QuranStudy said:
So which planes are fairly replacable with spare parts?? F16s??
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If you're someone the U.S. doesn't like (Iran), we don't sell them to you. Then you're screwed. Iran can't even get their F-4s' off the ground. The planes and parts are highly regulated things. The countries we do sell these things to must account for the stuff they buy, or they get cut off. That's why you don't see F-16s' flying all over the place. Plus, there are many variants of each model. (F-16a, F-16b, F-16c...) We don't sell the top of the line models.
 
what i hate about bush is that even if its not true he makes other countries think we want to hurt them...
 
QuranStudy said:
Dont the Russians and Chinese have their own planes?? How advanced are those?
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Russians MiGs and Sukois' aren't bad. But they don't do too good against U.S. stuff. We've seen that from the end of Vietnam till now. The Chinese fly MiGs. There is a good reason everyone wants F-16's and 18s'. Luckily the U.S. does a good job of keeping this stuff out of 'hostile' hands. If someone we sell to got caught selling their stuff to a 'third party', they'd get cut off, then all THEIR stuff would eventually be unflyable.
 
QuranStudy said:
Dont the Russians and Chinese have their own planes?? How advanced are those?
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Not nearly as advanced as the American planes. The Russians and China are also suspect about selling the highest military technology to Iran because they realise the loose cannon Iran is, and how it could end up biting them in the behinds the same way America arming Al-Queda did.

Remember, Russia is in conflict with Chechens, and China is not exactly friendly to any religious dominated state being communist. I doubt either would sell Iran anything serious they have.
 
QuranStudy said:
Can engineers in enemy states make copies of F16s or makes similar planes??
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A fighter plane nowadays is no longer an airplane. It is a computerized multi guided weapons system.

The physical part of the aircraft, is probaly the smallest part of the system. Todays aircraft are no longer flying machines they are basicaly an integrated computer system. A pilot is no longer a sky jocky he is now a computer programer, systems analyst and hardware operater. Air to air combat is no longer see them, shoot them. Most fighter pilots will probably never even make visual contact with their target.

Much of flying today is dependant on satellite navigation and ground control. To be honest if it wasn't for the need for judgement decisions the aircraft could be flown without the pilot. However, at the moment the plane still needs a human to make independent judgement calls.

Iran could buy a totaly built F-16, yet if the instruements are not properly programmed, it would be useless. I can not picture how an F-16 could be used against US forces for any length of time. All we need do is turn off the satellite and it will be lost, with no navigational functions. Yes, Iran could program their own satellite navigation system, but that also means they will need to send up several stationary orbit satellites.

todays fighter planes are flown from the ground and through satellites just as much as by pilot. In fact the ground system has more control over some of the planes actions.
 
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guy and aeroplanes...they just cannot be separated :rolleyes:

guys will be guys...
 

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