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wilberhum said:
US/UK stop demanding? How about the UN? Oh I forgot the US/UK own the UN. How about France and the others? Or is it just a case all your hate is aimed at the US/UK?
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The UN couldn't stop an illegal invasion by the US/UK that was the day they lost all credibilty (as I said perviously) They are nothing but corrupt. Nobody pays any attention, they are a few cretins dressed in suits and ties. I have said my piece and I am infallible!
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
The UN couldn't stop an illegal invasion by the US/UK that was the day they lost all credibilty (as I said perviously) They are nothing but corrupt. Nobody pays any attention, they are a few cretins dressed in suits and ties. I have said my piece and I am infallible!
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So, oh great mind, what is the solution? :?

If you don't have a better idea, you have nothing. :skeleton:
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
I think they are. But why should it all come to halt because we say so? It's their perogative. They are being secretive because we're telling them to stop because we don't like it. Only solution is, US/UK stop demanding and let them continue. And making sure they all work together rather than against. :statisfie
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The countries who voted in favour of sanctions (unanimously) were China, France, United States, United Kingdom, Russia, Belgium, Italy, Qatar, Congo, Panama, Slovakia, Ghana, Peru, South Africa and Indonesia. I'm not sure where this "US/UK" bit comes from.

Actually, as to "letting them continue" the ball is pretty much in the Russians' court rather than US and UK. It was Russian technology and (largely) Russian manpower being used to build the reactor and when they (to all intents and purposes) pulled out, the whole thing ground to a halt. I suspect that may actually have come as something of a shock to whichever sector of the Iranian political set-up was dictating policy; I don't think they even knew the whole thing was essentially a Russian project not a home-grown Iranian one.
 
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At the moment it appears that this may turn out to be a very moot question. For those that have not heard yet. Russia has reneged on the deal to support Iran. Iran may be stuck with a big expensive steel structure that has no use.

Mixed signals on Russia-Iran uranium deal
posted Apr 22, 12:54 PM

According to Reuters, Iranian state radio has announced a basic deal to enrich uranium in a joint venture in Russia. Details were still unresolved, but Iran’s ambassador to the IAEA confirmed the agreement, despite the reported uncooperative attitude of Tehran.

ITAR-Tass, the official news agency of Russia, has reported that Oleg Ozerov, deputy director of the Foreign Ministry’s Middle East and North Africa Department, expressed regret over the failure to reach a final agreement with Iran on a compromise proposal to have the Iranian uranium enrichment program operate on Russian territory.
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Souce: http://www.managing-the-atom.org/irannews/41/mixed-signals-on-russia-iran-uranium-deal

Russia, Iran End Talks Without Nuclear Deal
Tehran Urged to Resume Moratorium

By Peter Finn
Washington Post Foreign Service
Thursday, March 2, 2006; Page A15

MOSCOW, March 1 -- Talks between Russia and Iran on a proposal to enrich uranium on Russian soil for Iran's nuclear industry ended inconclusively Wednesday night. Both sides said discussions would continue but couldn't say when.

Iranian officials repeated earlier statements that they generally accepted the Russian proposal but still insist on the right to conduct some enrichment in Iran.
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Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/01/AR2006030102289.html
 
Alright, lets say that we DO get Iran to stop its nuclear enrichment program. What then is stopping US from just blasting its way into Iran and taking all it's oil?

As most of you know, Hiroshima is still a mount of black soot, and the weapon of mass destructions still haven't been found in Iraq yet. Moreover, Iraq is in more conflict than when Saddam was in power (don't you dare state otherwise)

I'd say it'd be fair if Iran was made to stop its Nuclear enrichment program, then U.S[and all countries with nuclear missles] should be made to shoot it's missiles off into space.

Fair?
 
noodles said:
Alright, lets say that we DO get Iran to stop its nuclear enrichment program. What then is stopping US from just blasting its way into Iran and taking all it's oil?

As most of you know, Hiroshima is still a mount of black soot, and the weapon of mass destructions still haven't been found in Iraq yet. Moreover, Iraq is in more conflict than when Saddam was in power (don't you dare state otherwise)

I'd say it'd be fair if Iran was made to stop its Nuclear enrichment program, then U.S[and all countries with nuclear missles] should be made to shoot it's missiles off into space.

Fair?
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fair? Perhaps, but that is not going to happen, the thing is no one is asking Iran to indefinitely suspend its nuclear ambitions, they are simply asked to stop for a period of time to allow investigators to look at the facilities, install some cameras, and to allow the rest of the world to be comfortable with Iran having this type of power. Iran has no credibility has isnt regarded as a peaceful nation, so why would anyone want them to obtain this type of power? They need to show respect and good intentions and gain the trust of the world, and then they could easily produce nuclear power without any issues. It is repeated over and over "Why can the US have it and Iran cant?" Well the answer is simple, the US invented it, the world has seen the capabilities of it and has decided that extreme discretion is necessary to keep the world in one peice, it is not the west against Iran, it is anyone who values the ground they stand on against Iran. All they have to do is make a gesture, cooperate a little, let people see first hand that it is for peaceful purposes and they could have the power, they are causing this controversy and problems for themselves, because their government is arrogant and belligerent.
 
Alright, you claim no one is asking Iran to suspend is Nuclear programs. Lets say they WERE building nuclear weapons, will it not mean that another arms race will start?

I have 20 nuclear missiles and you have 2, so you must build more to keep your country safe. Isn't that right? So these cameras CAN be used as surveillance couldn't they? Isn't that what happened in the Cold War?

(Keep in mind, I'm making valid assumptions here)
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
''the US invented it''

Mate didn' they steal it off the Germans?
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It was the work of German Scientists, however the work was done in the US. The Scientists that had done most of the work on Nuclear energy were Jewish and had escaped from Germany when Hitler came into power.

Because of his hatred of Jews, many of Germanys scientists were forced to come to America. Their contributions led to the field of nuclear development in the US and the contributions of American scientists carried the early work to were it now is.

A brief early history can be found here:

http://nova.nuc.umr.edu/nuclear_facts/history/history.html

Russia got into the field in the 1950s when some US scientists sold secrets to them. Through out the 50s and 60s Nuclear power was basicaly only a Russian and American concern. The selling of reactors to other nations brought about the proliferation of it.
 
noodles said:
Alright, you claim no one is asking Iran to suspend is Nuclear programs. Lets say they WERE building nuclear weapons, will it not mean that another arms race will start?

I have 20 nuclear missiles and you have 2, so you must build more to keep your country safe. Isn't that right? So these cameras CAN be used as surveillance couldn't they? Isn't that what happened in the Cold War?

(Keep in mind, I'm making valid assumptions here)
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I think you misunderstood some of my post, I am not saying no one is asking Iran to suspend nuclear programs, I am saying no one is asking them to indefinitely suspend them. As for the rest of your post I am not sure what you are getting at, Iran is geared toward production of nuclear weapons, this wont start an arms race though. If Iran creates a nuclear weapon they will almost surely be attacked and not just by the US I wouldnt think. The cold war was a good bit different than what is going on today, the US couldnt be trumped in terms of nuclear power by a country like Iran, the maintenance alone would bankrupt their country.
 
AvarAllahNoor said:
''the US invented it''

Mate didn' they steal it off the Germans?
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Nope. 2 Germans accidentally discovered fission in 1938 (non Jews by the way). An Austrian Jew deduced it was fission, but the Germans never got anywhere close to a practical bomb or even a controlled chain reaction.

Fermi (Italian) and Szilard (Hungarian Jew, I think) had the first chain reaction in Chicago. Seeborg (at Berkely) discovered plutonium. The project bigshots for the bomb design and assembly were (Oppenheimer (American) and Teller (Hungarian Jew) and others.


What we stole from the Germans was the rocket technology. :D
 
Cognescenti said:
Nope. 2 Germans accidentally discovered fission in 1938 (non Jews by the way). An Austrian Jew deduced it was fission, but the Germans never got anywhere close to a practical bomb or even a controlled chain reaction.

Fermi (Italian) and Szilard (Hungarian Jew, I think) had the first chain reaction in Chicago. Seeborg (at Berkely) discovered plutonium. The project bigshots for the bomb design and assembly were (Oppenheimer (American) and Teller (Hungarian Jew) and others.


What we stole from the Germans was the rocket technology. :D
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We did not steal it, it was simply an incentive program reward we gave to Werner Von Braun
 
Slight problem with dinnerjackets threats to "wipe israel off the map".
 
Alright, lets say that we DO get Iran to stop its nuclear enrichment program. What then is stopping US from just blasting its way into Iran and taking all it's oil?
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Its own citizens do not want to do so. By the way, if Iran stops making this energy and China and Russia have said they will help make them peaceful ones, but Iran says no... why is that? You have to be pretty naive to not understand what is happening
 
noodles said:
As most of you know, Hiroshima is still a mount of black soot
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Aye.

Nagasaki too...looking really ropey.
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