Iraq Bombings

[KAding]

the descendants of the Babylonians and Abbassids could easily govern themselves

- Close the border with Iran and other bordering states to prevent weapon smuggling
- Put Sunni/Shia Islamists in power
- Get foreign troops out
- stimulate Iraqi culture and Islam so that the people reject a return to chaos and are pre-occuppied with more fruitfull day to day stuff
- pay for the reconstruction and maintain good relations
- Start a programe which will spark the return of Iraq's scientists,entrepreneurs and doctors who have left in large numbers since 2004

from there we could see a new beginning and Iraq might enter a new prosperous era Insha-allah

I agree, except about the "put Sunni/Shia Islamists in power". There were elections more than a year ago in which the majority of the Iraqis participated. Besides, Shia Islamist are already in power. The party that is supported by the highest Shia cleric, Al-Sistani is in power. Who are the Sunni Islamists anyway in your opinion? Aren't they the ones that are attacking these Shiites pilgrims?

I am personally quite confused about the people that are committing these acts. Are this the 'Muhajedeen'? Can anyone call himself a Muhajedeen? Are martyrdom bombings like these valid methods for Muhajedeen? Surely Islamic scholars have an opinion on this?

 

[Akil]

Are martyrdom bombings like these valid methods for Muhajedeen

No

I am not Muslim but I can easily tell you no.

It's not hard to find the ayats that explicitly forbid suicide and others the killing of innocents.

The sole basis for the legitimacy of these kind of attacks are in weak hadith and misguided and corrupt fatwa, and probably the Muslim equivalent of fatalistic post-modernism.

 

[AzizMostafa]

1. The Shiite Hizbullah that successfully defended lebanon against US+Zionists.
2. The Sunni Hamas that successfully united Palestinians against US+Zionists.
3. The Islamic Republic of Iran that has been crippling US+Zionists.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...ml/default.stm
are 3 good examples for Iraqis to live side by side under the umbrella of Islam. How? By:
1. Remembering the Black Stone, not the white house.
2. Watching the slightest night movement of the enemy that do corruption and say peace.
3. Quitting parties and uniting under One + Only leader chosen by wise+God-fearing scholars.
4. Not running after the mirage of Democracy +
5. Fighting in the way of Allah to cleanse their homeland of US+Zionists.

Those who are flaming the differences among Muslims are of the same kind as those who begun to waver about belief in the Unity of Allah even in the lifetime of Moses. Thus, when, on becoming free of the slavery of the Egyptians, they reached the other side of the river and saw the figure of a calf in a temple in Sina, they asked Moses to get a similar figure for them, whereupon Moses rebuked them for being still as stubborn as they were in Egypt. They were so immersed in desire for idol-worship that even after being initiated into the belief in the Unity of Allah, they became restless on seeing an idol and made the request for a similar idol to be made for themselves had no right to criticise any difference among Muslims.
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Peace with Flowers

 

[Talha777]

Subhan Allah brother AzizMostafa

Muslims, whether Sunni or Shia, need to realize that our enemy is America not eachother. America is the one that invaded a Muslim country for absolutely no reason except to plunder our resources, kill our elderly and our children, and cause further divisions among us to realize their diabolical agenda. America has made it crystal clear that they are invading Muslim countries to spread their Satanic idealogy of secularism and root out in elements that are working to transform Muslim countries into Shariat abiding states. With these facts in mind we now know why America is so hell bent against Iran, they cannot bear to have Muslims defiantly stand up against them and support their repressed Muslim brothers in Palestine who are being massacred by Zionist devils every hour of every day.

 

[MTAFFI]

^^ both of you sound crazy to me, take a look at yourselves

 

[Akil]

Talha777 and AzizMostafa

When you can manage to stop killing each other get back to me (which will be hard giving the anti-shia proclivity of the Salafi and the nationalism of the farsi shia).

 

[wilberhum]

Talha777,
You missed the main reason for the invasion. :raging: Raping Muslim women.

Are all your posts, “Hate Messages”?
Have you replaced all the love in your life with hate?
I hope you find a way to deal with life other than hate?

Peace
Wilber

 

[KAding]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6428451.stm

Many die in Iraq cafe bomb attack
A suicide bomber has killed at least 26 people in an attack on a cafe in a town north-east of Baghdad, police say.

The attacker is reported to have walked into the cafe in the town of Balad Ruz and then detonated the device.

At least 29 other people were also injured in the incident, a police spokesman told the AFP news agency.

In a separate development, three US troops were killed by a roadside bomb attack in the capital, Baghdad, the US military said in a statement.

The soldiers were hit as they were patrolling a well-used route in the city, checking it for hidden explosives, the statement said.

A fourth member of the patrol was injured in the incident.

Balad Ruz is approximately 70km (45 miles) north-east of Baghdad. The part of the town where the bomb attack occurred is described as being populated by members of the region's Shia Kurd minority.

Pilgrims attacked

Earlier on Wednesday, at least nine people were killed as Shia pilgrims made their way to the holy city of Karbala.

Seven policemen deployed to protect pilgrims were killed by a car bomb in Doura in southern Baghdad. One pilgrim also died.

In central Baghdad, one person died when gunmen opened fire on pilgrims.

It follows a double suicide bomb attack in the central Iraqi town of Hilla on Tuesday in which at least 90 Shia pilgrims were killed and more than 150 wounded.

Two bombers wearing explosive vests blew themselves up in a large crowd of pilgrims heading to the city of Karbala for religious ceremonies marking Arbaeen - the end of 40 days of mourning for Imam Hussein, a grandson of the Prophet Mohamed who was killed in the year 681.

Iraq has seen a sharp rise in violence between Sunni and Shia Muslims since an attack on a key Shia shrine in Samarra just over a year ago.

Baghdad has been at the centre of a three-week-old US-Iraqi security push, and US military commanders have been warning that militants may focus their efforts on launching attacks outside the capital.

 

[KAding]

Subhan Allah brother AzizMostafa

Muslims, whether Sunni or Shia, need to realize that our enemy is America not eachother.

The strange thing is that the US would leave as soon as Muslims stop killing eachother. Quite a paradox, uh?

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

If Israel did this, there would be about 50 pages of hate in this thread already.

Relax Lavikor... not everything that goes bump in the night is Israel's fault. This one is Maliki's un-doing. He and Bush should stop bragging about their new 'security plan' and what a fantastic success it is.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Iraq has seen a sharp rise in violence between Sunni and Shia Muslims since an attack on a key Shia shrine in Samarra just over a year ago.

This is exactly the type of spoon-fed BS I mean. They repeat this event in everything like a deranged mantra... but it's a lie. That was not the cause of the sectarian conflict. Tel Afar, the year before was the cause of the sectarian conflict...and that's coming straight from the guys who are in the conflict, but heaven forbid anyone publish info that would prove the Sunnis were justified in the anger toward the Shia.

The shrine, by the way, was not destroyed by either of them. That was outside interference.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Keltoi]

This is exactly the type of spoon-fed BS I mean. They repeat this event in everything like a deranged mantra... but it's a lie. That was not the cause of the sectarian conflict. Tel Afar, the year before was the cause of the sectarian conflict...and that's coming straight from the guys who are in the conflict, but heaven forbid anyone publish info that would prove the Sunnis were justified in the anger toward the Shia.

The shrine, by the way, was not destroyed by either of them. That was outside interference.

Ninth Scribe

Of course all of this is coming from you without any source or documentation to back up your claims.

 

[Joe98]

Tel Afar, the year before was the cause of the sectarian conflict...

The shrine.....was not destroyed by either of them. That was outside interference.

Could you please advise the Shiia and Sunni that it was destroyed by outside interference. If they learn that then perhaps they will stop killing each other and the US can go home.

 

[MTAFFI]

This is exactly the type of spoon-fed BS I mean. They repeat this event in everything like a deranged mantra... but it's a lie. That was not the cause of the sectarian conflict. Tel Afar, the year before was the cause of the sectarian conflict...and that's coming straight from the guys who are in the conflict, but heaven forbid anyone publish info that would prove the Sunnis were justified in the anger toward the Shia.

The shrine, by the way, was not destroyed by either of them. That was outside interference.

Ninth Scribe

what a load on non sense, provide some proof for these claims, if it were the truth it wouldnt be coming out on this website. Why do you pretend to know such things and then post it to this site as if it is the irrefutable truth? What a bunch of garbage

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

Could you please advise the Shiia and Sunni that it was destroyed by outside interference. If they learn that then perhaps they will stop killing each other and the US can go home.

I have advised the Shia in Iraq, and they did halt attacks, but some of the Sunnis groups were not satisfied with that (too little too late) and kept on fighting. The first shooter strategy is actually a matter of record, since it is hardly a new tactic, and I know the motive for why it was used. I'm just waiting for the evidence to fall into place... and it will. It always does.

But I do think it's 'telling' that both MTAFFI and Keltoi would produce such an empassioned challenge to my assessment, while saying absolutely nothing against western media, who've published their Al Qaeda 'theory' as fact, worldwide. I also think it's weird that western media doesn't mention the Battle of Tel Afar as having any place in the great sectarian divide but I've learned from experience, it's what the media doesn't say, that says the most.

Ninth Scribe

 

[Keltoi]

I have advised the Shia in Iraq, and they did halt attacks, but some of the Sunnis groups were not satisfied with that (too little too late) and kept on fighting. The first shooter strategy is actually a matter of record, since it is hardly a new tactic, and I know the motive for why it was used. I'm just waiting for the evidence to fall into place... and it will. It always does.

But I do think it's 'telling' that both MTAFFI and Keltoi would produce such an empassioned challenge to my assessment, while saying absolutely nothing against western media, who've published their Al Qaeda 'theory' as fact, worldwide. I also think it's weird that western media doesn't mention the Battle of Tel Afar as having any place in the great sectarian divide but I've learned from experience, it's what the media doesn't say, that says the most.

Ninth Scribe

:rollseyes ...let me get this straight. You "advised" the Shia and they stopped their attacks? As for "impassioned" challenges...that was hardly impassioned, it was dismissive.

 

[KAding]

I have advised the Shia in Iraq, and they did halt attacks, but some of the Sunnis groups were not satisfied with that (too little too late) and kept on fighting.

Who are 'the Shia'? What groups did you advice? You are making me curious .

 

[MTAFFI]

I have advised the Shia in Iraq, and they did halt attacks, but some of the Sunnis groups were not satisfied with that (too little too late) and kept on fighting. The first shooter strategy is actually a matter of record, since it is hardly a new tactic, and I know the motive for why it was used. I'm just waiting for the evidence to fall into place... and it will. It always does.

But I do think it's 'telling' that both MTAFFI and Keltoi would produce such an empassioned challenge to my assessment, while saying absolutely nothing against western media, who've published their Al Qaeda 'theory' as fact, worldwide. I also think it's weird that western media doesn't mention the Battle of Tel Afar as having any place in the great sectarian divide but I've learned from experience, it's what the media doesn't say, that says the most.

Ninth Scribe

Oh so you told the Shia this, huh? And by the way I noticed a post of yours probably over a month ago about it not being the Sunni who blew up the Shia shrine and the truth would come out soon.. Where is the truth? Why hasnt it come out yet? I believe alot of what the media says because they are there experiencing it while you sit on your computer probably playing some World of Warcraft game and making up bogus nonsense about what is happening in the real world.. What is the Shia's name you told to halt attacks? SO you are the reason they halted and not Maliki and al-Sadr? I think you live in a dream world and try to impress it on everyone here, really the mods should remove half of your posts since they are based on nothing...

 

[Keltoi]

Oh so you told the Shia this, huh? And by the way I noticed a post of yours probably over a month ago about it not being the Sunni who blew up the Shia shrine and the truth would come out soon.. Where is the truth? Why hasnt it come out yet? I believe alot of what the media says because they are there experiencing it while you sit on your computer probably playing some World of Warcraft game and making up bogus nonsense about what is happening in the real world.. What is the Shia's name you told to halt attacks? SO you are the reason they halted and not Maliki and al-Sadr? I think you live in a dream world and try to impress it on everyone here, really the mods should remove half of your posts since they are based on nothing...

Maybe this individual is Al-Sadr....lol

 

[MTAFFI]

Maybe this individual is Al-Sadr....lol

LOL

Hey Hey be careful what you say he might advise them to attack you! :lol: