Iraq: Split to 3

[wilberhum]

i feel that the reason why the majority of the people in the west feel that way is due to the fact that the media is promoting that thought-frame.

I am continually amazed that some Muslims insist that the “Image Problem” is caused by the media and ignore the fact that terrorists are creating the news.

i still feel that it is an attack on islaam

I still feel that Islam attacks the West.

Man's naturally hasty, so he'll try to grasp whatever he can, even if it take's someone else's life in the process.

Well now we have something we can agree on. By the way Muslims also have “Man’s natural” aspects.

But the muslim's are trialled so Allaah Almighty may expiate their sins in this world,

All Muslims’? I think not! Some Muslims? I think so!

 

[Hanif_Revert]

It wouldnt suprise me if Iraq is to be split.
The age old tactic of Divide and Conquer
Have us fighting with each other for land and power for decades.
Same happened with parts of Africa, India/Pakistan etc. etc.

 

[- Qatada -]

Why will they be a 'threat'? If that is the case, why is the course you accuse the Americans of taking the wrong one from their perspective?

The same way 'communism' was a threat. Anything that oppose's their law is a 'threat' - hence they feel they have to fight it.

Hardly. How many Kurds and Marsh Arabs did Saddam slaughter?

How much muslim's has the west killed? Within 5yrs? [Since 9/11?]

Perhaps the best way for the Ummah to become stronger is actually to stand up and accept its share of responsibility once in a while? Iraqis are killing Iraqis. Blaming it on some fictional Western plot is a rather sad way of denying that responsibility.

The best way for the ummah to become stronger is by actually having an islamic state, which the majority desire. This is what the west hates, due to the fact that it will be another superpower, because the population of the muslim's is over 1billion. However, if the muslim's strive for this - their 'extremists.'



Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

 

[- Qatada -]

Hi wilberhum.

I am continually amazed that some Muslims insist that the “Image Problem” is caused by the media and ignore the fact that terrorists are creating the news.

Maybe this wouldn't happen if the muslim's from them countries weren't up for revenge?

I still feel that Islam attacks the West.

Due to the fact that they set foot in muslim land's, with a bad intention. I feel it's kinda like a repetitive cycle.

Well now we have something we can agree on. By the way Muslims also have “Man’s natural” aspects.

I agree, that's a good point. But we believe in paradise, so a true believer's desire isn't to grasp everything of this world. It's to earn Allaah's Mercy to enter paradise in the hereafter. Whereas the disbeliever only ever think's of this world, so the desire may be much stronger.

All Muslims’? I think not! Some Muslims? I think so!

Every single person is trialled, even you are. The difficulties you have in life are a mean's for you to get closer to the Creator, because man is created weak. In time's of hardship - you may realise that there is no-one to turn to beside's Allaah. He will help you, if you are sincere insha'Allaah.




Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

I feel it's kinda like a repetitive cycle.

Wow, agreement again. It is a repetitive cycle; it has been repeated since there were two tribes.

But we believe in paradise, so a true believer's desire isn't to grasp everything of this world.

True Believer? If by that you mean every one of every faith who truly believes, then I agree.

the disbeliever only ever think's of this world

If by disbeliever you mean atheists, then again we agree. That is as long as you don’t have the bigoted attitude that atheists don’t have morals.

 

[- Qatada -]

That's an end to the discussion then lol.



Peace.

 

[starfortress]

It wouldnt suprise me if Iraq is to be split.
The age old tactic of Divide and Conquer
Have us fighting with each other for land and power for decades.
Same happened with parts of Africa, India/Pakistan etc. etc.

Of course, it was a famous doctrine in colonial time

Encouraged and Aided Shiite Muslims and Kurds to Rebel Against the Government of Iraq Causing Fratricidal Violence, Emigration,Exposure, Hunger and Sickness and Thousands of Deaths. After the Rebellion Failed, the U.S. Invaded and Occupied Parts of Iraq Without Lawful Authority in Order to Increase Division and Hostilities Within Iraq

This is the modern version but its more deadly with the new special tools at hand,its a U.N.

In his mad rush to war, Defendant Bush caused the United Nations to completely bypass Chapter VI of the U.N. Charter that mandates the specific settlement of international disputes. Defendant Bush consistently rejected and ridiculed all of Iraq's efforts to negotiate a peaceful resolution of the dispute. Defendant Bush proudly boasted that there would be no negotiation, no compromise, no face-saving, etc.

U.N on action.

Defendant Bush repeatedly coerced the members of the United Nations Security Council into adopting an unprecedented series of resolutions that culminated in his securing authority for any nation to use "all necessary means" to enforce these resolutions. To secure these votes in the Security Council, Defendant Bush paid multi-billion-dollar bribes; offered arms for regional wars; threatened and carried out economic retaliation; illegally forgave multi-billion-dollar loans; offered diplomatic relations despite human rights violations; and in other ways corruptly exacted votes. This illegal activity subverted and perverted the very Purposes and Principles of the United Nations Charter itself found in articles 1 and 2 thereof.

Bush Corrupted the United Nations.

But the success of the Arab oil boycott led several prominent U.S. government officials in the Nixon administration, and especially Henry Kissinger, to publicly threaten that the United States government would prepare itself to seize the Arab oil fields in order to prevent something like the boycott from ever happening again. This illegal governmental threat was stated openly, publicly, and repeatedly during the course of the Nixon administration, the Ford administration, the Carter administration, and the Reagan administration. The Bush administration would finally be the ones to carry this threat out. But only after a decade of active preparations.

Why Iraq,not the North Korea or Sudan,obviously the main reason war on Iraq is the Oil posession for U.S.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis19.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/515637-post23.html

 

[therebbe]

when the Kurds are sunni.

Then why did the Sunni Saddam gas Kurds if they were "Sunni"?

 

[wilberhum]

Then why did the Sunni Saddam gas Kurds if they were "Sunni"?

Why do you think Saddam cared about anything other than Saddam?

 

[*noor]

Why Iraq,not the North Korea or Sudan,obviously the main reason war on Iraq is the Oil posession for U.S.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/francis19.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/515637-post23.html

i think that goes without saying

 

[Islamicboy]

Its not the west or american fault muslims in iraq are killing each other. Muslims are at fault for killing each other in Iraq. Blaming America or west is the easy way out to prove to others its not muslims.

 

[wilberhum]

Its not the west or american fault muslims in iraq are killing each other. Muslims are at fault for killing each other in Iraq. Blaming America or west is the easy way out to prove to others its not muslims.

It is always good to hear a reasonable voice. Good on you.

 

[Joe98]

How much muslim's has the west killed? Within 5yrs? Since 9/11?

The answer is NIL.

Killing is against Islam.

So when a US soldier shoots a killer that killer could not possibly have been a Muslim, just a killer.

 

[- Qatada -]

The answer is NIL.

Killing is against Islam.

So when a US soldier shoots a killer that killer could not possibly have been a Muslim, just a killer.

Killing isn't against islaam, killing a life that Allaah Almighty has made sacred is against islaam.


Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

Killing isn't against islaam, killing a life that Allaah Almighty has made sacred is against islaam.


Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

Has Allaah Almighty made my life sacred?

 

[- Qatada -]

Has Allaah Almighty made my life sacred?

The one's who believe in Allaah and His sign's, they are sacred in the sight of Allaah Almighty.




Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

The one's who believe in Allaah and His sign's, they are sacred in the sight of Allaah Almighty.




Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

But what about me? I don't believe in Allaah.

 

[- Qatada -]

But what about me? I don't believe in Allaah.

Doesn't the above answer your question? Anyway, you do actually believe in a Creator. So you're one out of three step's closer to believing compared to an atheist.

Now all you gota do is to accept that None is worthy of worship except Allaah - the Creator, and to believe in His beautiful Name's and Attributes.



Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

Doesn't the above answer your question?

NO. That is why I repeated it.
It is really a simple yes or no question.
Pelase give me a yes or no answer.
Has Allaah Almighty made my life sacred?

 

[- Qatada -]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever says Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is none worthy of worship besides Allaah) and rejects everything that is worshipped instead of Allaah, his property and his blood will be sacred [i.e., it is forbidden to seize his property or shed his blood] and his reckoning will be with Allaah.” (Narrated by Muslim).


In order for his property and his blood to be protected, he must, in addition to saying Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, also reject whatever is worshipped instead of Allaah, no matter who or what it is.

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=9104&ln=eng&txt=sacred



So from there, if you don't actually believe that Allaah alone is worthy of worship, then it may be that your life isn't sacred in the sight of Allaah. Because the whole purpose of Allaah creating you was so that you obey Him, but if you turn away from that, then one is putting their desire's (i.e. wealth, or another form of law) before the law of Allaah, which may be a form of associating partner's with Him, Almighty.

“And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allaah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him)…”

[al-Bayyinah 98:5]



“Whoever brings a good deed (i.e. belief in the Oneness of Allaah along with every deed of righteousness), will have better than its worth; and they will be safe from the terror on that Day”

[al-Naml 27:89] ​

Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.