Iraq: Split to 3

[wilberhum]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever says Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah (there is none worthy of worship besides Allaah) and rejects everything that is worshipped instead of Allaah, his property and his blood will be sacred [i.e., it is forbidden to seize his property or shed his blood] and his reckoning will be with Allaah.” (Narrated by Muslim).


In order for his property and his blood to be protected, he must, in addition to saying Laa ilaaha ill-Allaah, also reject whatever is worshipped instead of Allaah, no matter who or what it is.

http://www.islamqa.com/index.php?ref=9104&ln=eng&txt=sacred




So from there, if you don't actually believe that Allaah alone is worthy of worship, then it may be that your life isn't sacred in the sight of Allaah. Because the whole purpose of Allaah creating you was so that you obey Him, but if you turn away from that, then one is putting their desire's (i.e. wealth, or another form of law) before the law of Allaah, which may be a form of associating partner's with Him, Almighty.

“And they were commanded not, but that they should worship Allaah, and worship none but Him Alone (abstaining from ascribing partners to Him)…”

[al-Bayyinah 98:5]



“Whoever brings a good deed (i.e. belief in the Oneness of Allaah along with every deed of righteousness), will have better than its worth; and they will be safe from the terror on that Day”

[al-Naml 27:89] ​

Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.

Talk about a simple yes or no.
Could I have a one word answer to the question?

 

[- Qatada -]

If you can read, you'll find it by reading what i've said.



Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

If you can read, you'll find it by reading what i've said.



Peace.

Since you don’t seam to have the ability to say what you mean, I will give you my interpretation.
According to you any Muslim may take the life of any non-Muslim and it is not considered killing.

And you have the courage to sign off with "Peace".

 

[- Qatada -]

Since you don’t seam to have the ability to say what you mean, I will give you my interpretation.
According to you any Muslim may take the life of any non-Muslim and it is not considered killing.

And you have the courage to sign off with "Peace".

Okay, and where did i say that? I said that the life of the one who sincerely believe's that there is none worthy of worship besides Allaah, his/her life is sacred.

Secondly, i don't want to say anything i don't have knowledge of, so i never said which non muslim's might not be permissible to 'kill'. I have read in some of brother Ansar's articles that killing of innocent's isn't allowed though.



Anyway i'm out, talk tomorrow insha'Allaah. Just keep an open mind and we can discuss, better than always arguing. We've got too much of that in the world we're living in, so let's try to undo that insha'Allaah.


Peace! lol

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Islam is not just a religion. It also has a political agenda. All one has to do is look at the number of groups trying to create Islamic States.

Doesnt the west have a political agenda, tryig to create 'Dimocracy' accross the world
or
"A new world Order"

 

[Hanif_Revert]

Why do you think Saddam cared about anything other than Saddam?

So if that's a reason to invade Iraq, what about Zimbabwe and presedent Magabi? who is known to slaughter whole families if they dont vote for him.

Should'nt they be invaded by the west too?

 

[Hanif_Revert]

The answer is NIL.

Killing is against Islam.

So when a US soldier shoots a killer that killer could not possibly have been a Muslim, just a killer.

Open your eye's and look at all the inocent people (men, women and children) that have been killed by the conflict in Iraq.

How many years has there been fighting.

Are you telling me with all those 'Bombs over Baghdad' No inocents died?

To say that 'NIL' have been killed is ludacrus.

You cant honestly believe what your writing

 

[*noor]

Since you don’t seam to have the ability to say what you mean, I will give you my interpretation.
According to you any Muslim may take the life of any non-Muslim and it is not considered killing.

And you have the courage to sign off with "Peace".

i think i might have gone blind for a while there...i didn't see him post that...its either you're seeing things or you need to learn how to not misquote others.

 

[starfortress]

Its not the west or american fault muslims in iraq are killing each other. Muslims are at fault for killing each other in Iraq. Blaming America or west is the easy way out to prove to others its not muslims.

Bro you should state the west or american not at totally fault- muslims in iraq are killing each other.Thats more rationale i guess.

Much of what Iraq received from the US, however, were not arms per se, but so-called dual-use technology— mainframe computers, armored ambulances, helicopters, chemicals, and the like, with potential civilian uses as well as military applications. It is now known that a vast network of companies, based in the U.S. and elsewhere, fed Iraq's warring capabilities right up until August 1990, when Saddam invaded Kuwait [7]

The United States was among several powerful countries that supported Iraq during the war, including Britain, France, the Soviet Union, and West Germany.

Source

The U.S. presence in Iraq--pitting Shia, Sunni and Kurdish Iraqis against one another--has fanned the flames of sectarian violence. From the beginning, the U.S. selected members of the Iraqi Governing Council to highlight sectarian divisions.

How the U.S. caused Iraq’s nightmare

 

[starfortress]

"In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful"

Killing is prohibited and counted as among the biggest sin. In this respect, the Holy Qur’an lays down:

It is because of this that We have decreed for the Children of Israel: "Anyone who kills a person who has not committed murder, or who has not committed corruption in the land; then it is as if he has killed all the people! And whoever spares a life, then it is as if he has given life to all the people." Our messengers had come to them with clarification, but many of them are, after this, still corrupting on the Earth. (5:32).

Say: "Come let me recite to you what your Lord has forbidden for you: that you should not set up anything with Him; and be kind to your parents; and do not kill your unborn children for fear of poverty, We provide for you and for them; and do not come near lewdness, what is plain of it or subtle; and do not kill the soul which God has made sacred(forbidden),except in justice. That is what He enjoined you that you may comprehend." (6:151).

No killing shall be committed by human except there is valid justification.

Has Allaah Almighty made my life sacred?

So in this case my answer is Yes.

Allah know best

p/s-someone please correct me if im wrong.

 

[Keltoi]

Back on topic. I must make a correction from my earlier post. Before I thought splitting Iraq up into three autonymous regions was a good idea. However, I saw Aparisim "Bobby" Ghosh on C-Span this morning and he convinced me that this is actually a fairly bad idea. Ghosh is a senior correspondent from Time Magazine and has alot of experience in Iraq. As Ghosh says, history has taught us that the West drawing lines on a map is a bad idea. India is a perfect example of what this can lead to. So I retract my earlier support of this idea.

 

[Islamicboy]

that is a sign of qiyama too- when iraq will be split into 3!!!

I never heard this before can you tell me which hadeeth is this?

jazakllah khair

 

[wilberhum]

i think i might have gone blind for a while there...i didn't see him post that...its either you're seeing things or you need to learn how to not misquote others.

I was in error when I said "The posts were deleted".
Still, rom what he posted, there can be no other conclusion

 

[wilberhum]

So if that's a reason to invade Iraq, what about Zimbabwe and presedent Magabi? who is known to slaughter whole families if they dont vote for him.

Should'nt they be invaded by the west too?

Do you assume that I support the invasion of Iraq? If so, you need to go back are read.

 

[wilberhum]

wilberhum, seriosly. i won't say that atheist's don't have morals - but now you're giving me an excuse to say otherwise.

Peace.

I have recorrected my correction. I looked and could not find the posts.
I, in error, assumed they had been deleted,
Sorry for that.
I will respond to the last one in a while.

PS I'm not an atheist.

 

[- Qatada -]

I have recorrected my correction. I looked and could not find the posts.
I, in error, assumed they had been deleted,
Sorry for that.
I will respond to the last one in a while.

PS I'm not an atheist.

Thank's for being honest. May Allaah guide us all to the right path, ameen.



Peace.

 

[wilberhum]

Thank's for being honest. May Allaah guide us all to the right path, ameen.



Peace.

Does my honesty supprise you? :giggling: :hiding:

 

[wilberhum]

Starfortress
Thank you, but I have one problem with your post.

who has not committed corruption in the land

That is so open to interpretation that you could make a case to include anyone you wanted. As a US taxpayer, you could surly include me as a "Corruptor of the land".
Right? Or could you give me Quranic quote that defines a “Corruptor of the land”?

 

[wilberhum]

Fi_Sabilillah
You said:

Killing isn't against islaam, killing a life that Allaah Almighty has made sacred is against islaam.

Assumption: Islam does not forbid killing someone who Allah has not made sacred.
Question: Is my assumption wrong?

And:

The one's who believe in Allaah and His sign's, they are sacred in the sight of Allaah Almighty.

Assumption: One who does not believe in Allah is not sacred.
Question: Is my assumption wrong?

Conclusion: In the Allah, any Muslim may take the life of any non-Muslim and it is not considered killing.
Question: Is my conclusion wrong? If so please explain.

 

[- Qatada -]

Hi wilberhum.


If it's wrong to kill innocent's who aren't fighting against the muslims, then obviously we're not allowed to harm them. This is why i never said that their lives are sacred, because i don't know whether their classed as that or not.


Allaah Almighty know's best.



Peace.