Iraqis stage mass anti-US rally

[seeker-of-light]

meh...i believe us americans should withdraw our troops from iraq since
1. we haven't helped and thats obvious
2. there are no weapons of mass destruction
3. there is no way to completly destroy terrorism it has always been around even back in the 1500s or so there were ninja that the japanese used that would be similiar to today's terrorist. these terroristic bombings and such should be taken care of by the people's own governments, not by a foreign occupier.

 

[nocturnal]

It was better for Sunnis (my family was Sunni by the way) but the Shia was treated like African Americans were here in the 1950s.

This is not entirely true. Shia occupied some of the most important positions in the political, economic and social development of Iraq under Saddam. They were Shia civil servants, university lecturers, engineers working on Iraq's oil infrastructure to optimize production, military personnel, etc. I do not at all believe that they were collectively ostracized from every aspect of national life.

Yes, the Shia were treated quite abhorrently, so were the Kurdish population, AND sunni's as well believe it or not. That is precisely the point im trying to make. When Saddam brutally suppressed political dissidents, it didn't matter what their religious affiliation was, all were persecuted.

You have to be very careful not to get entangled in western propaganda.

 

[Izyan]

This is not entirely true. Shia occupied some of the most important positions in the political, economic and social development of Iraq under Saddam. They were Shia civil servants, university lecturers, engineers working on Iraq's oil infrastructure to optimize production, military personnel, etc. I do not at all believe that they were collectively ostracized from every aspect of national life.

Yes, the Shia were treated quite abhorrently, so were the Kurdish population, AND sunni's as well believe it or not. That is precisely the point im trying to make. When Saddam brutally suppressed political dissidents, it didn't matter what their religious affiliation was, all were persecuted.

You have to be very careful not to get entangled in western propaganda.

Only those with undying loyalty to Saddam were able to thrive in Iraq. Though there were some Shia that were able to become successful they were the minority. It also didn't matter if you were sunni as only the people from Saddams tribe held the most important positions

 

[nocturnal]

Only those with undying loyalty to Saddam were able to thrive in Iraq. Though there were some Shia that were able to become successful they were the minority. It also didn't matter if you were sunni as only the people from Saddams tribe held the most important positions

Thats what im saying too. Persecution was indiscriminate not selective. But set in the context of the chaotic quagmire that Iraq has degenerated into today, it was much better off under the Baa'ath regime. I have no qualms about asserting that point.

 

[KAding]

The Iraqi people openly say it was better under Saddam than it is now, including the SHIAS, so you can take you supposed freedom you brought to Iraq and stick it where the sun dont shine.

"The Iraqi people" say that? What are you basing that on?

The most recent poll I can find says the following on that issue (BBC March 2008):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/14_03_08iraqpollmarch2008.pdf

 

[barney]

The persistant idea amongst many muslims, is that The occupying invading oppressive forces are trundeling along the streets from dawn to dusk blowing up kindergartens and marketplaces full of shoppers, destroying the infrastructure and raping and torturing the suffering people.
The "Freedom Fighters" (and i use that phrase with a heavy weight of irony) are defending and protecting the Iraqi people from the murderous US and strivinng in the face of such genocidal carnage caused by US bullets to make a free Iraq united in love of Allah and happiness for its people.

If you completely reverse the above, then your approaching some truth.
No Insurgants....no troops. It was the case on 04 its the case now. Stop blowing innocents up and the nasty kuffar will leave. Try it.

 

[Alpher]

Unfortunately the problem in Iraq is deeper than the current western occupation. It was the british who created the country during their occupation, with no regards to the people who lived there, creating artificial borders dividing ancient tribal lands while making countries out of feuding tribes (just look at the Kurds). It took a strong, if brutal, hand like Saddams to control a country like this. If you look back through history then the current occupations of both Iraq and Afghanistan is just a continuation of the wests destroying both countries hope of going forward and developing. If the west had any inclination of helping then they would have rebuilt afghanistan instead of spending their money on bombs and troops for the invasion of Iraq.

 

[barney]

Unfortunately the problem in Iraq is deeper than the current western occupation. It was the british who created the country during their occupation, with no regards to the people who lived there, creating artificial borders dividing ancient tribal lands while making countries out of feuding tribes (just look at the Kurds). It took a strong, if brutal, hand like Saddams to control a country like this. If you look back through history then the current occupations of both Iraq and Afghanistan is just a continuation of the wests destroying both countries hope of going forward and developing. If the west had any inclination of helping then they would have rebuilt afghanistan instead of spending their money on bombs and troops for the invasion of Iraq.

Well the mighty British Empire that still today spans 2/3rds of the globe is certainly dirceting its mind-control probes into muslims heads making them slaughter each other with startling efficency.
If it wasnt for this mindprobe built by them, the ummah would live in peace and love for all.
Possibly.

 

[nocturnal]

The persistant idea amongst many muslims, is that The occupying invading oppressive forces are trundeling along the streets from dawn to dusk blowing up kindergartens and marketplaces full of shoppers, destroying the infrastructure and raping and torturing the suffering people.
The "Freedom Fighters" (and i use that phrase with a heavy weight of irony) are defending and protecting the Iraqi people from the murderous US and strivinng in the face of such genocidal carnage caused by US bullets to make a free Iraq united in love of Allah and happiness for its people.

If you completely reverse the above, then your approaching some truth.
No Insurgants....no troops. It was the case on 04 its the case now. Stop blowing innocents up and the nasty kuffar will leave. Try it.

This is just utter nonsense. First of all, do not generalize the resistance movement in Iraq. It is not a broad based movement, and not every one of the so called "insurgents" adopts the flawed doctrine which espouses that if it is not the most conservatively puritancial version of Islam, it doesn't deserve to exist.

This is rank ignorance and you need to tone down your illogical and rash rants about complex situations. Listen to some of the top Muslim and non-Muslim scholars, commentators, thinkers that constitute the regional and international intelligentsia. The vast majortiy of Iraqis rightly percieve the US as an occupying force that kills civilians, just like Al Qai'da does.

What they, like myself, want to see, is an independent government in Iraq, not a subservient one, that sets its political and economic agenda within the parameters of Islam and that is progressive. The Iraqis are capable of achieveing this, it is the occupation presence which has evoked and unremitting infernal maelstrom of havoc and mayhem in the country which has left it riven into factions, whose existence is expedient for the US and it's allies, because it justifies the occupation.

This is just one aspect, but the point is, don't draw you're own propaganda fed skewed conclusions about that the problems plaguing the country without any credible evidence, or a valid arguement to substantiate them.

Even the most gullible of observers now understand that this is an invasion and occupation driven by a nation with neo-imperialist ambitions whose end game is to consolidate a different world order based on a doctrine of global hegemony.

 

[barney]

the most gullible of observers now understand that this is an invasion and occupation driven by a nation with neo-imperialist ambitions whose end game is to consolidate a different world order based on a doctrine of global hegemony.

Fixed for accuracy