Iraq's youngest Shaheed.

Ninth_Scribe said:
....<snip>... Thus far, the U.S. has more blood on it's hands than Hitler. It's people like you who have vindicated people like Zarqawi. There is only one difference I can see between Bush and Zarqawi. Zarqawi never lied.

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Ah yes...clearly a gem of an academic thesis you have there.


The internet is a miraculous place..in one day I have met an Uday supporter and a Zarqawi supporter.
 
Tayyaba said:
^^That's sad. If you cant have any condolences then please leave. Its not fake when you post but it is when we do.
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Didn't you accuse me of bothering you earlier?

It isn't fake. It is the picture of a dead, premature fetus, killed violently and tragically almost certainly along with the mother. It is truly saddening, especially to me, because I am a Pediatrician and I take care of premies. The use of the picture is opportunistic. It is cynical. It is calculated to make people angry, when, in reality we know virtually nothing about how it happened. This poor baby is being used even after death. What good can possbily come from this post? What is the point? Is it just so a couple of homies can say "Death to the Crusaders" and have all the other bobbleheads come along and say "Yup, Amen"?

BTW...the brutal exit wound suggests an AK-47 round to me.. Can't say for sure (AK rounds are designed to tumble in flight). American troops don't use AK's.

Just for a little perspective, here is standard operating procedure when American troops encounter wounded civilians. This Afghan girl lost both legs to an old Russian landmine (or perhaps some plaything of the Taliban)...the medical unit personally donated 4 units of their own blood. Altogether she recieved 15 units of blood products. She lived. Nobody shot her. She wasn't "casually ignored"




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Tayyaba said:
Inna Lillahi Wa Inna Alayhi Rajioun.
Thats just a speck of what goes on with the people there :cry:
Ya Allah :cry:
Its really sad to call it heresay when you have pictures sitting in front of your face :(
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I know the drill Cognescenti and Keltoi are making use of. I was raped by a school appointed child psychologist and he used exactly the same method - it's always heresay... unless you can prove otherwise. Of course, he walked and I'm pretty **** sure I wasn't his only victim. Witnesses and testimony don't mean a thing to people of an opposite agenda.

Ninth Scribe
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
I know the drill Cognescenti and Keltoi are making use of. I was raped by a school appointed child psychologist and he used exactly the same method - it's always heresay... unless you can prove otherwise. Of course, he walked and I'm pretty **** sure I wasn't his only victim. Witnesses and testimony don't mean a thing to people of an opposite agenda.

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Ninth;

I am sorry to hear about your experience. there are bad people in the world.

In regard to the topic at hand, there is no witness, there is no testimony. There is only an emotive picture.

A woman was shot. Who did it? Was it even US troops? Even if it was, was it intentional? Were they under fire? Do you really believe for a second they casually walked by? ....Never mind....belay that. I know the answer.

Nice technique to try to link your opponents with child molestation. Well played.
 
Keltoi said:
There have been hundreds of Iraqi women kidnapped by criminal elements and "insurgents", and the death squads, both Shia and Sunni, don't seem to discriminate between man or woman. Not to mention the suicide bombers.
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Um, now that's what I call heresay. Insurgents and criminals have been raping all the women (oh my). And spare me the diss on the suicide bombers. The U.S. just pulled an air strike over Anbar and they didn't give rat's @ss about the women and kids who were there. Of course, you could cry heresay when the hospital reports come out like they did when your boyz used white phosphorous on Fallujah. Films can be faked, yadda yadda. I know the drill real well. But it won't make a difference.

Ninth Scribe
 
Cognescenti said:
Who did it? Was it even US troops? Even if it was, was it intentional? Were they under fire? Do you really believe for a second they casually walked by? ....Never mind....belay that. I know the answer.
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Um, I know there are bad people in the world. I brought up my childhood because it serves the very lesson you were trying to teach Tayyaba - that without proof... testimony means absolutely nothing.

But you don't care enough to ask the questions, you just kick into defense-mode and it all rolls off you, like rain... or that ages old argument concerning those WMDs. I wouldn't be so upset, if the U.S. government kept to the same standards they dish out to Iraqis, but they would NEVER have been able to invade if they didn't lower their standards... a lot!

As for photos, everyone is using opportunistic photos. The U.S. government is split down the middle and the reps are all jumping ship. They spend most of their time rolling on each other for who was responsible for what. Maliki has even made statements demanding that the U.S. teach the soldiers a class on ethics. If you take all the spin and photos away, there is the Truth. We shouldn't have invaded Iraq. We did that on heresay. We should leave so the Sunnis and the Shia can do what they've always done. This isn't the first crisis those brothers have had. It won't be their last - but that's none of America's business!

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Um, now that's what I call heresay. Insurgents and criminals have been raping all the women (oh my). And spare me the diss on the suicide bombers. The U.S. just pulled an air strike over Anbar and they didn't give rat's @ss about the women and kids who were there. Of course, you could cry heresay when the hospital reports come out like they did when your boyz used white phosphorous on Fallujah. Films can be faked, yadda yadda. I know the drill real well. But it won't make a difference.

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Are you suggesting that women haven't been kidnapped by criminal elements and insurgents?

http://www.actionla.org/Iraq/IraqReport/women.html

http://electroniciraq.net/news/1823.shtml

http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/mideast/iraq/996.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/review/article_full_story.asp?service_ID=10709

These stories aren't exactly written or researched with a pro-American agenda in mind. This is what I meant by stating that American soldiers are the least of the threats facing Iraqi women.
 
oh great, here goes the scribe with his endless tyraid on the evil west! What a big suprise, still havent seen a reply to my original post on Iraqi freedom post, couldnt argue with that one huh? Anyways I agree with cognescenti and keltoi, you dont know who shot that woman, and personally I would think it was a death squad or one of the however many militias over there before i would believe US soldiers just walked past a dying pregnant woman. I am sure the media really just passed that story right up, right? Seriously doubt it
 
You would think it wasnt, but others would think it was...
Don't forget we are all human, and just because someone is a soldier doesnt mean he can't do it. If a leader can kill thousands of people and cause trouble for others, surely a soldier with a gun in his hand and exaggerated ideas in his head can do it as well. I'm just saying it can be both ways. Not everyone thinks like we would..feeling sorry for a person.
 
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Tayyaba said:
Don't forget we are all human, and just because someone is a soldier doesnt mean he can't do it. If a leader can kill thousands of people and cause trouble for others, surely a soldier with a gun in his hand and exaggerated ideas in his head can do it as well. I'm just saying it can be both ways. Not everyone thinks like we would... feeling sorry for a person.
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I'm not sure what their points were in disqualifying the report, but if this war has taught me anything, it taught me that American men actually do believe they were helping when they invaded Iraq and installed a new government. Of course, there were the usual exploits, scams and billions of dollars missing, but nothing much different than the state-side standards (like Boston's Big Dig). Well, maybe some hookers. No wonder Al Qaeda wants to help as well by mopping the floor with them.

I hate to see women and children pay the price for a man's war, but maybe this will force the hand of the feminine principle to intervene.

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As usual, US troops looked carelessly and walked away, not offering any help or medical care.
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As usual?! This is obviously a very negative point of view without facts. The fact is I am a US Army MEDIC and I know **** well that it is not USUAL for any soldier much less a medic to carelessly walk away from any civilian injured by US forces.

You can talk your hateful rhetoric somewhere else buddy.
 
Akil said:
As usual?! This is obviously a very negative point of view without facts. The fact is I am a US Army MEDIC and I know **** well that it is not USUAL for any soldier much less a medic to carelessly walk away from any civilian injured by US forces.

You can talk your hateful rhetoric somewhere else buddy.
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Excuse me, but I was under the opinion that this was an eye-witness account of an incident in Iraq. Therefore, I do not disqualify it as simply as others. I get reports and corrections to reports from Iraq all the time, and have heard this complaint often... from Iraqis!

Just this morning CNN reported that 'terrorists' were not responsible for the explosion on a soccer field that supposedly killed 18 people, mostly children. That was an air-strike by our boyz that had gone wrong. Much like many of the Iraqis, my first reaction was sarcastic, something along the lines of: Oh, so I guess that makes everything alright then!?

The Iraqis mistrust the American government and consider the military an occupation - almost every news agency agrees with that assessment. You can't actually believe that by going in at gun-point and demanding they trust you, you're going to get an honest answer from them? Even Jill Carroll admitted that, while she was in custody, she said only what she believed the Mujahideen wanted to hear. I'm no expert on psychology, but I would call that a human survival trait. Kind of transcends whether or not you're Iraqi or American. The anger in the words concerning the death of a mother and her unborn child is normal.

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Keltoi said:
Perhaps you need to get a life and stop responding to my posts if they disturb you so much.

I would also appreciate if you would stop putting words in my mouth and mischaracterizing my points of view. I said I didn't care about the Shia or the Sunni in the context of the War in Iraq, in other words, I don't care for one sect any more than the other.

Yes, rapes have occurred in Iraq with U.S. soldiers to blame. I have never once denied this fact, as long as the cases are properly proven and not based on heresay. I hope they punish Cortez to the fullest extent of the law. My point was that pretending U.S. "crusaders" are the major threat to Iraqi women is grossly inaccurate. There have been hundreds of Iraqi women kidnapped by criminal elements and "insurgents", and the death squads, both Shia and Sunni, don't seem to discriminate between man or woman. Not to mention the suicide bombers.
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No it disturbed every Single Muslim on this board who has a Heart and feeling towards their Muslim brothers and sisters.
 
mahdisoldier19 said:
That is what you had said
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How is this insulting in the least? Iraqi women are being victimized far more frequently by criminal elements and the lawless nature of much of Iraq at this point. Is the fact that American "crusaders" aren't responsible for the vast majority of these cases insulting to Muslims? Or just you?
 

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