Iraq's youngest Shaheed.

[Keltoi]

Citations or sources for your accusation?

Ninth Scribe

I cited these earlier in the thread.



http://www.actionla.org/Iraq/IraqReport/women.html

http://electroniciraq.net/news/1823.shtml

http://www.globalexchange.org/countr.../iraq/996.html

Some of these don't seem to work any longer, but here are more, they are numerous.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=18085

http://www.dawn.com/2006/10/09/int11.htm

http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/rev...rvice_ID=10709

 

[wilberhum]

Are the only requirements to be a Shaheed, is to be Muslim and be killed?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

^^Yes, I believe so. I may be wrong..so wait for someone else to answer...

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Are the only requirements to be a Shaheed, is to be Muslim and be killed?

Obviously have to be a Muslim

And No Shaheeds do not Die, They have their provision with Allah swt, A person may percieve them as Dead, but they Are Alive.

 

[wilberhum]

Obviously have to be a Muslim

And No Shaheeds do not Die, They have their provision with Allah swt, A person may percieve them as Dead, but they Are Alive.

So the woman isn't dead?

 

[Snowflake]

A pregnant, 40 years old Iraqi woman was shot by US military on August 10th, 2005 in the city of Mosul, northern Iraq, while in front of her house. The woman, who was in her 32nd week of pregnancy, was hit in her abdomen and collapsed immediately. As usual, US troops looked carelessly and walked away, not offering any help or medical care.

Originally Posted by sonofadam
Nothing less is expected from the American Crusaders. May Allah hasten their destruction.

Ameen thuma ameen -inshaAllah they will pay back for every drop of muslim blood they've spilled.

 

[Akil]

Ninth Scribe
The anger in the words concerning the death of a mother and her unborn child is normal.

Anger, I understand. I take issue with the words “as usual”. I defy any generalization of US service members as being totally without conscience or compassion. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen with a few notable exceptions are every day people.

Muslimah_Sis
they will pay back for every drop of muslim blood they've spilled.

This reply is for Ninth Scribe as well, because this misconception or propaganda (whatever the case may be) has been repeated a lot, especially in this thread.

The vast and overwhelming majority of violence, destruction, rape and blood shed in Iraq is being perpetrated on Muslims . . . . . by Muslims, and the US is standing somewhere in the middle trying and by most accounts failing, to bring about a semblance of order.

You can believe your stories, your propaganda and your lies about hundred of thousands of US soldiers killing, rapping and pillaging like a horde of Vikings, but its not the truth, its no where near the truth. Trust me, if it was it would be all over the news, just like most of the wrongs America has perpetrated there.

Have I become an American apologetic? Absolutely not! I still don’t believe in the actions being perpetrated in Gitmo, I don’t believe the legal limbo the “detainees” there are currently being stuck in, I don’t believe in the counter productive interrogation techniques that are being used there or in Iraq (Abu Graibe for instance). I still don’t agree with the way the war in Iraq is being handled by the brace and I still don’t think bullets can destroy ideology. I don’t believe that the US or any Democracy should mistreat its Muslim population or inhibit their ability to practice their chosen religion (within the frame work of common sense).

But to paint all or most US service members as brutal, savage, inhuman or without conscience is propaganda at best and hateful rhetoric at worst.

Let’s work on finding issues of commonality and a framework for community instead of further polarizing and alienating ourselves from each other.

 

[mahdisoldier19]

Anger, I understand. I take issue with the words “as usual”. I defy any generalization of US service members as being totally without conscience or compassion. Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen with a few notable exceptions are every day people.




This reply is for Ninth Scribe as well, because this misconception or propaganda (whatever the case may be) has been repeated a lot, especially in this thread.

The vast and overwhelming majority of violence, destruction, rape and blood shed in Iraq is being perpetrated on Muslims . . . . . by Muslims, and the US is standing somewhere in the middle trying and by most accounts failing, to bring about a semblance of order.

You can believe your stories, your propaganda and your lies about hundred of thousands of US soldiers killing, rapping and pillaging like a horde of Vikings, but its not the truth, its no where near the truth. Trust me, if it was it would be all over the news, just like most of the wrongs America has perpetrated there.

Have I become an American apologetic? Absolutely not! I still don’t believe in the actions being perpetrated in Gitmo, I don’t believe the legal limbo the “detainees” there are currently being stuck in, I don’t believe in the counter productive interrogation techniques that are being used there or in Iraq (Abu Graibe for instance). I still don’t agree with the way the war in Iraq is being handled by the brace and I still don’t think bullets can destroy ideology. I don’t believe that the US or any Democracy should mistreat its Muslim population or inhibit their ability to practice their chosen religion (within the frame work of common sense).

But to paint all or most US service members as brutal, savage, inhuman or without conscience is propaganda at best and hateful rhetoric at worst.

Let’s work on finding issues of commonality and a framework for community instead of further polarizing and alienating ourselves from each other.

Eh What do you think of this

''655,000 Iraqis killed since invasion''

Source http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329598266-103550,00.html

 

[Al_Imaan]

that's so sad.....

 

[Akil]

''655,000 Iraqis killed since invasion''

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/

^
Another (possibly more credible) article on the study from the British medical journal “The Lancet” which put forth the 655,000 number.

gives a far higher number of deaths in Iraq than other organizations.

Nuff said

Researchers randomly selected 1,849 households across Iraq and asked questions about births and deaths and migration for the study led by Gilbert Burnham of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland. The Center for International Studies at Massachusetts Institute of Technology cooperated.

It polled a small group of the population and multiplied. In other words this is a poll, NOT a scientific study.

They did not ask families whether their dead were civilians or fighters

It was a poll with very few controls

Deaths attributed to coalition forces accounted for 31 percent of the dead.

Meaning even if this silly study was true roughly 7 in every 10 Iraqi’s killed died at the hands of their fellow Muslims. I would estimate closer to 8 in 10 personally.

The private British-based Iraq Body Count research group puts the number of civilian deaths at between 43,850 and 48,693.

Most of the figures are holding around this number

The latest estimates were released less than a month ahead of U.S. midterm elections that could change the balance of power in the House and Senate, now controlled by Republicans.

IE these figures are apart of partisan political in-fighting before a major election. Welcome to Democracy.

 

[Ninth_Scribe]

The vast and overwhelming majority of violence, destruction, rape and blood shed in Iraq is being perpetrated on Muslims . . . . . by Muslims, and the US is standing somewhere in the middle trying and by most accounts failing, to bring about a semblance of order.

You can believe your stories, your propaganda and your lies about hundred of thousands of US soldiers killing, rapping and pillaging like a horde of Vikings, but its not the truth, its no where near the truth. Trust me, if it was it would be all over the news, just like most of the wrongs America has perpetrated there.

But to paint all or most US service members as brutal, savage, inhuman or without conscience is propaganda at best and hateful rhetoric at worst.

Let’s work on finding issues of commonality and a framework for community instead of further polarizing and alienating ourselves from each other.

I understand what you're trying to say, but I don't think you understand the difference in perspective. If the tables were completely turned, and the Arabs invaded the U.S. and 'demanded' trust at gun-point, the majority of Americans would say whatever was expected of them, but they would always harbor resentment under their breath... and every incident would mount the tension levels that much more. The truth is, the Iraqis don't want the U.S. order. They want their own order.

Maybe America wouldn't be so hated if they would stop calling every Iraqi complaint, propaganda? The "Letter from Fatima" is what sent Zarqawi right over the edge, but the U.S. government and western media wrote it off as a clever propaganda ploy. It was purely by "luck and angels" that cess-pool of desire was exposed for what it really is, but that didn't happen by way of honesty. Neither did the rapes. In truth, what has come out of the wash is only what the U.S. military has been actually caught in. On the flip side, Jill Carroll was being held by Zarqawi's men... and she wasn't raped. If you were a woman, who would you rather be held prisoner by? Don't know about you, but I for one would not want to be photographed buck naked, handcuffed together in some twisted mile-high club with twenty others.

It's bad enough when this stuff goes on Muslim against Muslim, but it's completely unacceptable and very condescending for the so-called 'perfect' people (like the U.S. occupying forces) to behave worse than the people they think they're so much better than. And that's why they pay more attention to the American exploits than they do their fellow Iraqi's ones.

Ninth Scribe