is christianity blasphemy against God ?

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

Sorry my ignorance but I never look Fox news (as European of course not), neither BBC (not British). I usually look Al-Jazeerah or read just some news sites of Palestinians.

 

[YusufNoor]

yusufnoor i try not to respond to most things you say in this topic as to not get trapped in your millions of side points. i really just want relevant information. but two things

you might want to recalibrate your abacus, i didn't even get to hundreds! ;D

1. i understand your point about true jewish. i watched the vid jews,christians,islam unites. and i am greateful for peopel like that. there is a difference between zionism and jewish belief.

that video bowled me over when i first saw it. i began to look at better translations of stuff Pres A of Iran says. the Jewish point of Israel being illegal i knew, but i don't see it as Torah based. there was an nation of the tribes of Israel post Torah.

2. i understand and appreciate your millions of side points i just prefer and appreciate the information im asking for more then millioins of side points

if by millions, you mean i am an old windbag; all i can say is and? ;D

i agree that bridge building is crucial in order to not blow our selves up over somthing that were all waiting on anyways. god knows best. and god knows our hearts. and god will be the ultimate judge. but unfortunatly the one with the gun is the one who speaks loudest. peace.

peace,

you posted a question that needs explanation, clarification as well. the Bilal Philips video answers the apostasy question the best.

i don't think it is proper to tell you that your religion is shirk without an explanation. i tried to lay out why your religion is not correct monotheism. monotheism is the religion of Jesus, not the religion about Jesus. i'm not giving you an opinion, i am telling you the plain truth.

i find your concluding sentence troubling. today we have Christian nations murdering Muslims on a vast scale. it has nothing to do with blasphemy against God. Christian Zionism, the withered fig syndrome, has been used to fuel Zionism and war in the Middle East. i have partially explained this in another thread.

it might actually be more beneficial for Christians to learn what the story is with their own Bible if we want to see peace spread. for the Muslims, we need to understand that Christians don't realize how offensive their polytheism is to us. it is pure shirk to a massive degree. i have attempted to explain how that is. IF you can see that point, you can better understand Muslim rage and perplexity concerning your beliefs.

OUR Religion is about understanding Tawhid. Christianity is more about love and not about trying to understand God; God is a mystery to you. THIS is why we have conflict between religions. Muslims strive for clarity on God and forget the love. that is our mistake. Christians need to understand that we have no doubt about monotheism, therefore we lack comprehension on your faith. to us, God doesn't seem important to you. that is a real difficult thing for Muslims to reason out.

it says anathema under my name because i strove to find monotheism in Christianity. i WAS raised Catholic, but as an adult, i did not accept trinitarianism. i do not see trinity in the New Testament. i see 2 gods if you accept the Gospel of John, plus an undefined holy spirit.

of course, if i went to a Christian website, and someone tried explaining Christianity to me, i might be put off by that as well. i study your books and how your various sects grew. i study the change. we are not allowed to change our religion, to add to it or subtract from it. we call that biddah.

understanding Tawhid and biddah can help you understand why we go nuts at certain things. it is what we are. striving for Tawhid, fighting against biddah.

that should help you, or anyone reading this, to understand us better. we don't react well when those 2 subjects arise. one is our salvation, the other is our undoing. think of them as "thin ice" when we converse. be careful where you tread. it will make building bridges easier.

sister harb: all those videos i posted in that one post are from Abby Martin's show. be forewarned she is a leftist and probably atheist, but other than that she is the best show in the west. the show is 4 months old and all the episodes are on you tube. she reports on stuff corporate news channels aren't allowed to. AND she packs a punch! Israel HATES her, and alternative journalists are now flocking to get on her show. i'm not sure the CIA and Mossad will let her continue as she does. she may actually be the reason Israel backed down, recently. she showed things the Israel doesn't allow on American TV. Bibi Nutjobyahoo sent folks to Russia to try to get her censored. that part was sweet. Abby is fearless, she is a journalistic warrior. too much make up, but you quickly end up not caring.

ma salaama

 

[Hulk]

"Is Christianity blasphemy against God?"

Ask yourself whether or not ascribing partners to God is blasphemous or not.

 

[YusufNoor]

"Is Christianity blasphemy against God?"

Ask yourself whether or not ascribing partners to God is blasphemous or not.

if i remember correctly, you are a revert. you learned to understand the phrase "ascribing partners to God". i am strongly suggesting that to 90% of Christians, give or take a few million, this term is gobbledygook. if you don't understand precise, simple, logical Islamic monotheism, Tawhid, then those words don't make sense.

90%, roughly, of Christians believe in the Trinity. they hold this belief AND the belief that they ARE monotheists AT THE SAME TIME.

to us, it like as if Elton John is singing, "I am woman. hear me roar." a Muslim would be up in arms, protesting against such, what they consider, a vile and repugnant violation of God's Laws. a secular Christian on the other hand, though not all, could look and surmise, "OK. he's gay. he's expressing his feminine side. the song rocks . almost as good, if not better than Helen Ready." and decide to put it on their ipod. it could even be their favorite song. no problem.

similarly, because they are trinitarian and also think they are monotheists, 2 illogically combined ideas seem perfectly logical together. if you allow that to happen to yourself, real monotheism doesn't make sense. IT CAN'T. it can't because you believe that something that isn't monotheism is actually monotheism.

i see a need for a clearer definition of shirk. not one that Muslims can understand, but one that Christians can. at the moment, "polytheism or any aspect or hint of polytheism" is a grand and precise definition that all can understand. EVERYONE can understand that. some may not LIKE it, but trying to be politically correct with "ascribing partners to Allah" doesn't work.

now, if a Christian wants to ask if his religion is, or appears, polytheistic, thus "blasphemous," to a Muslim. easy to answer! YES. the moment that you add "tri" to your understanding of "mono", you have, in fact changed "mono" to "tri". Muslims didn't do it, they did. monotheism can't be tri-theism. as tri means 3 and 3 is more than 1, then tri-theism IS polytheism. PERIOD. no additional discussion necessary. at all. done. finie!

we won't be building any bridges on THAT issue. but there won't be any confusion on our part, and our opinion will be clearly understood by them. as we have to avoid being offended by their claims that Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Abdul Muttalib, pbuh, isn't a Prophet. let them learn to find whatever patience they need dealing with us pointing out the polytheism in their trinitarianism. if they would like to become true monotheists, they are welcome to join us at any time.

makes sense to me.

ma salaama

 

[M.I.A.]

this is what my long, rambling posts are attempting to explain.
Islam is best understood in Arabic. Tawhid deals with the Oneness of Allah. that is why i tried to explain it.
the nearest term i can think of for blasphemy is shirk. shirk is ANYTHING that violates Tawhid.
examples:
saying Jesus is the son of God violates Tawhid-Allah begets not, nor is He begotten
saying Jesus IS God violates Tawhid-Say, He is Allah, al samid the One and Only God
same with trinity
saying Jesus created the world violates Tawhid-Alhamdulillahi Raabil Alamin: Raabil Alamin is creator and much more.

in English, shirk gets translated "associates partners with Allah" it IS a truthful translation, but real clumsy for us English first folks. that is why i gave examples of Tawhid first.
shirk the THE unforgivable sin, you exit monotheism when you do it.
apostasy involves shirk, and is centered on shirk,eg, you no longer believe in Tawhid.
apostasy is a decision to exit monotheism, and is in itself a type of shirk. Allah is Creator and Lawgiver, thus you are rejecting God as lawgiver. you are then going to follow someone else's law. that is shirk. A) you don't recognize Allah as Lawgiver B) you actually follow something else. putting that something else in the place of Allah is shirk.
is this understandable?

peace

the quran describes jews and chrisitans as believers, and validates there books as truth, further proofs being treaties and living with both in the time of the prophet muhammed pbuh... although i do not have any knowledge of these proofs.

so is there understanding that at that time 1400 years ago, the jewish and christian religions were preserved to some degree of truthfulness.

were they monothiestic only 1400 years ago?

or does the quran refer to the time when there representative messages were revealed?

either way how would they fit in with shirk, apostacy and summarary execution?


as displayed by OP's post.



i mean with reference to the quran it does say clearly to desist in saying three, but i forget in which context the rest of the verses may be.


the thing about monothiesm is that without being able to explain the concept of god, how can one explain shirk?


i would even hazard a guess that the trinity is not even shirk as it is literally a misrepresentation of a godly concept..

and that goes on all the time, in all religions.

idolatry in particular is the easiest form of shirk to identify as it is the most clearly mentioned in the quran.


but the making of idolatry and differentiation between sainthood or asking for intercession is another matter..

weather it is of any consequence or not is ironically with allah swt.

if it is shirk or not would cast doubt on all the facets that make up faith.

ie

the companions of the prophet pbuh.

the narrators of hadith.

those that tell the stories and those that pass them on.

and in the above i make the distinction of op's thread title.

because the very same can be said about chrisitianity...


how you can keep misdirecting each other is something that baffles me.


if any of you understand the god,
the concept of monthiesm.

then explain it and be done.

and if you cant explain it to other monothiests...

then you have to close your mouth and think a little more.



or is it just your doctrines against theres?

it is literally like children with the ability to destroy each other.


not actual children though, because they would know better.



i mean take an objective view of the world for once,

you wouldnt get faith sent to you again and again and again... if you could ever keep hold of it.

and each time its fought against tooth and nail because those around were obviously right anyway.


...no facts or verses quoted.


Christianity was a blasphemy against the people.


please take time to appreciate that last sentence for a while.


against the government?

against the banks?

i doubt it was a blasphemy against god until it got popular.

 

[hageos]

christianity is a very simple faith. and it can be described in one way satisfactorily which was pointed out, in one his many points, by yusufnoor. LOVE. love, and a little hard work, is all you need. the greatest teacher of love is jesus christ. and it is in his footsteps a christian will follow. love in action. love in defense. love in everyday things. love for strength. love for truth. love for life. love in self-sacrifice. love in martyrdom. jesus teaches three main important things.

1. obediance to god
2. love
3. unity in the bretheren

not complicated. no dates to go by. everyday is day for worship and thanksgiving. no rituals to go by. love extravagantly and spontanously. no artifacts, idols, relics, repretative phrases so on and so forth. least you be as the heathen. gods altar is a pile of rocks on a hill. not a gold adorned temple with silks and finely wrought candles. the church is a gathering of 2 or more children of god. not these massive prosperity convention gatherings. very simple stuff. peace.

 

[hageos]

sanefellow i tried to send you a pm. im not yet 50 posts haha. good to see you to brother. thank you for your post. it had the most informaion on it. peace and blessings to you.

 

[Hulk]

christianity is a very simple faith. and it can be described in one way satisfactorily which was pointed out, in one his many points, by yusufnoor. LOVE. love, and a little hard work, is all you need. the greatest teacher of love is jesus christ. and it is in his footsteps a christian will follow. love in action. love in defense. love in everyday things. love for strength. love for truth. love for life. love in self-sacrifice. love in martyrdom. jesus teaches three main important things.

1. obediance to god
2. love
3. unity in the bretheren

not complicated. no dates to go by. everyday is day for worship and thanksgiving. no rituals to go by. love extravagantly and spontanously. no artifacts, idols, relics, repretative phrases so on and so forth. least you be as the heathen. gods altar is a pile of rocks on a hill. not a gold adorned temple with silks and finely wrought candles. the church is a gathering of 2 or more children of god. not these massive prosperity convention gatherings. very simple stuff. peace.

Anyone can say they love something. But true love is in it's obedience. You say Christianity includes obedience to God. How do you know you are obeying Him? Do you worship God or do you worship Jesus(pbuh)? You say the greatest teacher of love is Jesus Christ, but he himself says that God is greater than him. You want to say Jesus (pbuh) is a great teacher, thats fine but does that mean you should worship him?

You see you're not actually following any laws, thus your morals are always swaying with the trend. One generation might say something is wrong while the next says it is right. When all you have is "love" without intellect, justice, or discipline then what is such a love worth?

 

[hageos]

if you have ears to hear you will understand. if not then you will be resistant. its all the same to me. but if this is about disecting christianity and christian history and christian denominations and current christian trends can you please post in another topic? i only try help you to understand. many say in this post they are confused. it is up to you to understand the heart of the meaning. or you can pm me for truth in christianity and i will be more then willing to share all i know as well as my personal testimony. peace.

 

[جوري]

Best to answer the above from the noble book itself:
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Do they associate with Him those who create nothing and they are [themselves] created?
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And the false deities are unable to [give] them help, nor can they help themselves.​

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And if you [believers] invite them to guidance, they will not follow you. It is all the same for you whether you invite them or you are silent.​

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Indeed, those you call upon besides Allah are servants like you. So call upon them and let them respond to you, if you should be truthful.
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Do they have feet by which they walk? Or do they have hands by which they strike? Or do they have eyes by which they see? Or do they have ears by which they hear? Say, "Call your 'partners' and then conspire against me and give me no respite.
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Indeed, my protector is Allah , who has sent down the Book; and He is an ally to the righteous.
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And those you call upon besides Him are unable to help you, nor can they help themselves."
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And if you invite them to guidance, they do not hear; and you see them looking at you while they do not see.
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Take what is given freely, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the ignorant.
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[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

Why we try to find differencies between religions? Why not look what is common in them?

^o)

 

[Hulk]

Salam alaykum

Why we try to find differencies between religions? Why not look what is common in them?

Wa alaykumsalam sis. In trying to understand each other, I think it's important for us to understand the differences as well as the similarities. If we ignore the differences then it will be injustice against the people who are seeking truth. We have good christian members in this forum who I understand are more interested in interacting socially to build a better relationship with muslims but there are also christian members who are open to discussing beliefs at a sightly deeper level.

 

[Pygoscelis]

1. obediance to god
2. love
3. unity in the bretheren

The problem I see is that your points 1, 2 and 3 often conflict with each other.

Oh and as for finding common ground between Christians and Muslims, you have more in common with each other than you do with me. Maybe you can unite in your opposition to us atheists ;p

Edited to Add: My bad. I just realized I made 4 posts in this section just now and this isn't the comparative religion section. I try to keep to that and the world affairs section so not to intrude on the inner workings of muslimhood. Why do the topics look so similar here to comparative religion though?

 

[IslamicRevival]

I was under the impression Christians believe Jesus (Peace and blessings be upon him) is son of God (Audhubillah) and take him (Peace and blessings be upon him) as their God.

Blasphemy? (With respect) Yes

 

[YusufNoor]

the quran describes jews and chrisitans as believers, and validates there books as truth, further proofs being treaties and living with both in the time of the prophet muhammed pbuh... although i do not have any knowledge of these proofs.

the Qur'an references the Torah and the Injeel, NOT what exists today. this is a crucial and basic point. it is one that you should already know.

so is there understanding that at that time 1400 years ago, the jewish and christian religions were preserved to some degree of truthfulness.
were they monothiestic only 1400 years ago?

your question is faulty. Moses delivered the Torah. Bani Israel lived as separate tribes beginning upon entering Eratz Israel, division in thought occurred. there was a unified Kingdom around 1000 BCE, during this time, the collective works of the tribes began to be combined. the Unified Kingdom only lasted from Saul, David and Solomon. Scholars who presume a single author theory of today's Torah believe it was written around this time. After Solomon, the UK divided into 2 nations, Israel/Ephraim in the north and Judea in the south. Scholars of the Documentary Hypothesis cite this time frame for the beginning for the collection of the Torah. HOWEVER, Judea was destroyed and the upper class deported to Babylon; this is seen as a punishment from God. WHILE in Babylon, the Jews attempted to restore the faith. Ezra edited, redacted and wrote the finishing touches to most of the TaNaCH around this time. he was polishing and editing the work of the team of Jeremiah and Baruch. it is said that he studied for a time with Jeremiah's scribe, Baruch. beginning in Babylon, Jewish Scholarship, headed by Ezra developed much of what Judaism was when Jesus had his Prophet-hood. thus Judaism is more accurately described as the religion of Ezra and NOT Moses. that would mean that it was 3000 years ago that we understand that Moses' Shariah had been changed.

or does the quran refer to the time when there representative messages were revealed?

continuing with Jesus, it is 30-35 years, 1 whole generation, before we see any written Gospels. the earliest parts of the New Testament are authored by Paul. this would be the time frame where the original Injeel was changed.

either way how would they fit in with shirk, apostacy and summarary execution?
as displayed by OP's post.

these are teachings of Islam, how you could not know or understand them is puzzling. you might want to take some courses on Islam and learn your Din instead of wasting your time here. it is good that you have love for your fellow humans, this appears to be lacking in many Muslims, but your lack of understanding of your faith is cause for alarm. you need to be in the Masjid instead of being on the internet, although you could learn much online. this is my advice to you.

i mean with reference to the quran it does say clearly to desist in saying three, but i forget in which context the rest of the verses may be.
the thing about monothiesm is that without being able to explain the concept of god, how can one explain shirk?
i would even hazard a guess that the trinity is not even shirk as it is literally a misrepresentation of a godly concept..
and that goes on all the time, in all religions.
idolatry in particular is the easiest form of shirk to identify as it is the most clearly mentioned in the quran.

THAT is why i was so careful to give at least a brief explanation of Tawhid and cite a few examples. you need to be careful, if you were to make a definitive statement that trinitarianism, tri-theism, is NOT shirk, then you would be declaring that you no longer believe in Muslim. i will post a series of lectures below, a 21 part series by Dr Bilal Philips. i beg you to watch it. you MUST learn Tawhid. i will find another series, in shaa allah, and post it later. i strongly recommend that view it as well.

but the making of idolatry and differentiation between sainthood or asking for intercession is another matter..
weather it is of any consequence or not is ironically with allah swt.
if it is shirk or not would cast doubt on all the facets that make up faith. ie the companions of the prophet pbuh. the narrators of hadith.
those that tell the stories and those that pass them on. and in the above i make the distinction of op's thread title. because the very same can be said about chrisitianity...
how you can keep misdirecting each other is something that baffles me.

i have no idea what the purposes of those sentences are, perhaps you could clarify.


if any of you understand the god, the concept of monthiesm. then explain it and be done. and if you cant explain it to other monothiests...
then you have to close your mouth and think a little more.

please point out any errors, i will change them. but brother, you really have no concept of monotheism OR trinitarianism. thus your words are confusion. if the OP is a mate of yours, and you want us to be nice to him, just say so. it's OK. i commend you for that. but to declare your ignorance of Islam for all to see, i strongly caution against that.



or is it just your doctrines against theres? it is literally like children with the ability to destroy each other.
not actual children though, because they would know better.

i'm glad you mentioned children, you write like one. learn about Tawhid and shirk, then come back and read what i wrote. i invite and encourage you to point out any error.



i mean take an objective view of the world for once, you wouldnt get faith sent to you again and again and again... if you could ever keep hold of it.
and each time its fought against tooth and nail because those around were obviously right anyway. ...no facts or verses quoted.

i have no idea what you mean.

Christianity was a blasphemy against the people. please take time to appreciate that last sentence for a while.
against the government? against the banks?
i doubt it was a blasphemy against god until it got popular.

blasphemy against people? i can't appreciate a sentence that makes no sense. perhaps you meant something else?
in regards to your final sentence:

from the "Gospel of John":

1 In the beginning, the Word was already there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.

3 All things were made through him. Nothing that has been made was made without him. 4 Life was in him, and that life was the light for all people. 5 The light shines in the darkness. But the darkness has not understood it.

first off, no one knows who wrote John. second it is opinion of the MAJORITY of scholars that it was written around 90-95 CE. that is 60-65 years after Jesus' Ministry. it is actually discussing a Pagan concept known as the Logos, which dates from as early as 400 BCE. BY THIS TIME, Christianity is clearly teaching polytheism. 2 gods, God and the Logos [shirk]. the Logos WAS God [shirk]. all things were made through (Logos) [shirk]. nothing was made without (Logos) [shirk]

here is the lecture series:

http://www.tubeislam.com/video/3596/Foundations-of-Islamic-Studies-1of21--Dr-Bilal-Philips

you can google it from a different source if you desire.

ma salaama

 

[~Zaria~]

Assalamu-alaikum,

Hageos has clearly obtained the answers to his queries from post #17 - which addresses this topic completely:

sanefellow i tried to send you a pm. im not yet 50 posts haha. good to see you to brother. thank you for your post. it had the most informaion on it. peace and blessings to you.

This thread has taken another path for some reason.

Insha Allah, let this member be, and if he has any further queries then he would contact us again:

if you have ears to hear you will understand. if not then you will be resistant. its all the same to me. but if this is about disecting christianity and christian history and christian denominations and current christian trends can you please post in another topic?

To my muslim brothers and sisters,

If this is how we respond when non-muslims ask us about our deen - simple questions, that need simple answers, then we are doing nothing for dawah (Calling people to the way of Islam). Instead, we are pushing them further away.

If you dont agree with me, then place yourselves in their shoes for a moment - imagine going to a Christian/ Jewish/ any other religious forum, seeking an answer for a genuine query that you have.
And instead of a direct answer, you are met with sarcasm and your own religion is critisized. Would you ever bother to visit that forum again?

I think not.

In the same way, we need to consider this, when we have people from other religious groups who are seeking answers in Islam.

Who knows, that very person who we have turned away by our attitudes, could have been our brother or sister in Islam (by the will of Allah).

I am reminded of a Chinese saying (that I learnt of from the series called the Arrivals), and I want to share it here with you guys. Its a really important lesson that we should try to apply in our lives when we communicate with others, insha Allah:


"When teachers wanted to teach knowledge they used to tell their students that when someone is thirsty you give them half a cup of water.
If they remain thirsty then you supply them with the second half.

This means that first when someone needs to acquire knowledge he first has to be thirsty for it. And only after this thirst has been communicated to you you supply them with half a cup of water.
Don’t shower them with the full galon of water cause this is only going to push them away.
Give them half a cup. If they ask for a second half you supply it to them. If they don’t its not your responsibility. They will sooner or later in their lives."

:wa:

 

[M.I.A.]

blasphemy against people? i can't appreciate a sentence that makes no sense. perhaps you meant something else?
in regards to your final sentence:

from the "Gospel of John":



first off, no one knows who wrote John. second it is opinion of the MAJORITY of scholars that it was written around 90-95 CE. that is 60-65 years after Jesus' Ministry. it is actually discussing a Pagan concept known as the Logos, which dates from as early as 400 BCE. BY THIS TIME, Christianity is clearly teaching polytheism. 2 gods, God and the Logos [shirk]. the Logos WAS God [shirk]. all things were made through (Logos) [shirk]. nothing was made without (Logos) [shirk]

here is the lecture series:

http://www.tubeislam.com/video/3596/Foundations-of-Islamic-Studies-1of21--Dr-Bilal-Philips

you can google it from a different source if you desire.

ma salaama

first off, no one knows who wrote John. second it is opinion of the MAJORITY of scholars that it was written around 90-95 CE. that is 60-65 years after Jesus' Ministry. it is actually discussing a Pagan concept known as the Logos, which dates from as early as 400 BCE. BY THIS TIME, Christianity is clearly teaching polytheism. 2 gods, God and the Logos [shirk]. the Logos WAS God [shirk]. all things were made through (Logos) [shirk]. nothing was made without (Logos) [shirk]

so chrisitanity was corrupt long before islam.

and the references to both christianity and judaism in the quran are only of the actual revelations of both said religions.

and the sabians?

who resembled jews or christians?

...in part



anyway never mind so all those that were jews or christians at 1400 years ago were of nothing but falsehood.


...because the quran implies or directly says otherwise.

but by your argument...that only accounts for those at the time of revelation.

..because its all distorted and changed over time. (thank god the same does not apply to islam)


it also says about the jews that although most of them call themselves jews only a small minority are actual jews.


...but that by your argument also applies only to the point of jewish revelation and not those that were around 1400 years ago.


and the marriages to believing women?as mentioned in the quran... a seperate issue im sure.


?

you see this is why i keep my mouth shut irl.

because i know your not that stupid.

you cant be.


faulty question? really?


get out of here.

never mind. i'll go.



seriously not worthy of your company.


i will have to change my writing style because the replies are not to my liking.


and you should learn to think for yourself, rather than having to be taught.

the difference between a competant scientist and a revolutionary scientist.


because you cant call on dr. bilal philips on judgement day.

 

[جوري]

faulty question? really?

Worse than that, is that we will all be responsible before God for what we write especially if the forum is to be viewed the forum as a medium to explain aspects of Islam, or to invite them (which I less recommend) unless you absolutely know what you're doing. So not only are you dispensing with such blasphemy but you persist that you're correct even when folks correct you repeatedly. You don't take it with a good spirit and come back with every new person ingeminating such rhetoric..

 

[CosmicPathos]

Who knows, that very person who we have turned away by our attitudes, could have been our brother or sister in Islam (by the will of Allah).

what's up with this dying urge to have people become our "brothers and sisters." If they are turned away from Islam because of our attitudes, that's their loss, and between them and God.

 

[YusufNoor]

so chrisitanity was corrupt long before islam.
and the references to both christianity and judaism in the quran are only of the actual revelations of both said religions.

this is correct

and the sabians? who resembled jews or christians? ...in part

i actually do not know. i don't refer to them though.

anyway never mind so all those that were jews or christians at 1400 years ago were of nothing but falsehood.

here, we need to be careful. when speaking of their religions, we point out what is false when it for what we know to be false. Jesus is reported to have said:

Matt 22:37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

that is a beautiful verse. it doesn't contracdict Islam.

...because the quran implies or directly says otherwise.

actually, it doesn't. you MIGHT read it that way.

but by your argument...that only accounts for those at the time of revelation.
..because its all distorted and changed over time.

yes

(thank god the same does not apply to islam)

Alhamdulillahi Raabil Alamin!

it also says about the jews that although most of them call themselves jews only a small minority are actual jews.

not sure which ayat you mean.

...but that by your argument also applies only to the point of jewish revelation and not those that were around 1400 years ago.

i believe you are understanding it correctly
and the marriages to believing women?as mentioned in the quran... a seperate issue im sure. ?

yes, most scholars say you can still do that.

you see this is why i keep my mouth shut irl. because i know your not that stupid. you cant be.

i might be stupid! we would just have to determine how much!


faulty question? really? get out of here. never mind. i'll go.

the fault in the question is the assumption that the other 2 religions were A OK 1400 years ago. that is why i pointed out the problems with texts.

seriously not worthy of your company. i will have to change my writing style because the replies are not to my liking.

none of us is more worthy than the other.

and you should learn to think for yourself, rather than having to be taught. the difference between a competant scientist and a revolutionary scientist.
because you cant call on dr. bilal philips on judgement day.

actually, we learn our Din as it was delivered to us by Rasoolullah, pbuh. we don't make it up. that is why we turn to scholars. i'm not say to use ONLY Dr Philips.
i AM STRONGLY recommending a curse in Tawhid. it is an amazing subject. our Din is built upon it. THAT series has a lot of basic information in it.

ma salaama