Is circumcise permitted according to quran?

['Abd-al Latif]

According to 25:2, 40:64, 64:3, 95:4 verses, God created humans perfectly. Are they false? Yes or no?

Adam (as) was created perfect because he was created by the hands of Allah Himself. After that human beings have been deteriorating because of sins.

Whatever the case, this is among the countless problems of rejecting hadeeth. You can't understand half the religion because you completely deny the human being who explained the ayaat and made the religion clear.

Had Allah intended man to figure out the Qur'an according to his own intellect – bearing in mind people can make up a million different interpretations of the Qur'an if they reject hadeeth – Allah would have revealed the Qur'an on a mountain, let man pick it up when he stumbles upon it and then allow him to interpret the ayaat in any way he likes. This view lacks reason, wisdom and logic and no reasonable human being would ever accept this idea.
Nevertheless, the one thing that always remained the same from the time of Adam (as) all the way till Muhammad :saws1: was the creed of Islam i.e. there is and always was only one God, mankind must worship Him alone and associate no partners with Him at all. But what always remained subject to change was the laws i.e. what was halal at one point in time was not halal at another point in time, vice versa for the haram matters.

This is proven in surah Yusuf where Yusuf (as) said to his father Yaqoob (as) that "Verily, I saw (in a dream) eleven stars and the sun and the moon,— I saw them prostrating themselves to me." Later in the very same surah, we learn that these stars were his brothers and the sun and the moon were his parents, as the ayaah states "And he raised his parents to the throne and they fell down before him prostrate. And he said: "O my father! This is the interpretation of my dream aforetime!"

How can a human being, a prophet at that, prostrate his head to another prophet and not to Allah? Are these two prophets committing shirk? Never!

The custom at the time of Yusuf (as) was to prostrate/bow as a sign of respect. Can we do this today? No, because this is haram. My point: the laws change according to time, situation and circumstances and the belief never changes. To put an end to Messengership (who would come with a new law)/prophethood Allah sent the best of creation, Muhammad :saws1:, to bring one final law onto this earth that will last until the final hour: the Qur'an and the Sunnah. The sunnah is an inseparable part of this law because Allah says, "He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah..." (Qur'an 4:80). This law will never change. And a part of this law is for the men to circumcise.

The Qur'an commands that you obey the Messenger :saws1:. Are you going to follow your whims and desire? Yes? No?

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

This seems to be one of those question what has been asked as member wants to get just only answer he has decided it is be the only right one. He already has decided what is right and what is wrong for his mind. Any other answers are "wrong" and "false" to him.

Good thing is that kind of questions put us others to think. Sadly he will never accepts opinions and answers what disagree his own "answer".

 

[dudeguy]

isn't it a persons own right to be circumcised or not circumcised?
If it is so important please tell where can I find it in Quran.

 

[MustafaMc]

If it is so important please tell where can I find it in Quran.

If you are a hadith-rejector, then you have the right to be so and to not follow the sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (saaws) and instead follow whatever whim you choose for your own personal practice of Islam, but know that your perspective is not accepted or respected by the preponderance of Muslims and your arguments carry absolutely zero weight.

 

[Abu Loren]

Also where does it tell you how to pray in the Holy Qur'an? And perform wudu? and fast?

 

[Darth Ultor]

I am a Quran only Muslim

Doesn't the Quran say to obey the word of the Prophet (his recorded Hadith)?

 

[Insaanah]

According to 25:2, 40:64, 64:3, 95:4 verses, God created humans perfectly. Are they false? Yes or no?

If science today, was to prove that the foreskin is essential at birth, but not needed afterwards, would you accept that? If so, a lay humans' words are more believable than the word of Allah, subhaanahu wa ta'ala or his prophet :saws:? (For us though it makes no difference if science proves it or not, we hear and we obey [2:285]).

By the way, the translation of 25:2 says this:

Saheeh International
He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and who has not taken a son and has not had a partner in dominion and has created each thing and determined it with [precise] determination.

This doesn't contradict circumcision.

40:64 says this:

Yusuf Ali
It is Allah Who has made for you the earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape- and made your shapes beautiful,- and has provided for you Sustenance, of things pure and good;- such is Allah your Lord. So Glory to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!

This doesn't contradict circumcision either.

64:3 says this:

Muhsin Khan
He has created the heavens and the earth with truth, and He shaped you and made good your shapes, and to Him is the final Return.

Nothing here that contradicts circumcision either.

95:4 says:

Pickthall
Surely We created man of the best stature.

Nothing here that contradicts circumcision either. And I've used a range of different translations. The Arabic word ahsana, used in all the above verses apart from 25:2, means to make good or best, and some have translated this as to perfect. I've used a range of translations above, none of which translate it that way, and even those that do, it still doesn't contradict circumcision, as circumcision doesn't imply that Allah didn't perfect the creation of human beings. That's a wrong inference to make.

Hadith which contradict Quran or common sense cannot be regarded as authentic.

Does this mean that you believe in, and accept, and follow the hadeeth, which seem to you to be in agreement with the Qur'an, as authentic? And your problem is nly with those that appear personally to you, to contradict the Qur'an, but you accept those that personally to you, seem to agree with the Qur'an?

Also, did you read the links given in post number seven, or the first one even? I've quoted that post below:

If you follow the Qur'an, then you need to follow those parts that tell you to follow the sunnah too.

Read from here onwards:

http://www.islamicboard.com/quran/134312970-hadith-rejection-ma-malakat-aynukum-2.html#post1566669

and lots of excellent articles here on the sunnah and hadeeth:

http://www.islamicboard.com/clarifi...344-new-index-useful-threads.html#post1542902

 

['Abd-al Latif]

isn't it a persons own right to be circumcised or not circumcised?
If it is so important please tell where can I find it in Quran.

You're not bothering to read my reply are you?

 

[Abu Loren]

You're not bothering to read to my reply are you?

No, because he's a Qur'anist. lol

 

[Karl]

[FONT=Ariel,Helvetica,sans-serif][Satan said:] " I will mislead them, I will entice them, I will command them to mark the ears of livestock, and I will command them to distort the creation of GOD. [4:119]
Islam stresses on the fact that religions before Islam were blind worship.

I am a Quran only Muslim. After reading this post many of you will start posting about I'm misguided, hadith rejector and kafir. I'm a misguided fool, but you are very wise and intelligent people, you know many things about Islam that I don't know, so how can you not only let this happen but also support it.

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Maybe you are right, the Quran is complete, it is all a Muslim needs. It is the final instalment of the word of Allah delivered by the angel Gabriel. If Muslims stick to the Quran there would be no sects, no sectarian violence. Islam would be strong and undivided. Maybe people don't want simplicity but factionalism and war. People are predatory animals and love to fight, so I can't see anything changing unless God changes people.

 

[IAmZamzam]

Did somebody actually start this thread off with a statistic saying, "1 in 10,000 babies die?" You do realize that gives you a 99.99% chance, right?

 

[Iceee]

Did somebody actually start this thread off with a statistic saying, "1 in 10,000 babies die?" You do realize that gives you a 99.99% chance, right?

???99%???

 

[Land.Of.Pure]

Babies?. In Indonesia the boys circumcised when they are 5-12 years old. Circumcise babies is not suggested here.

Just as a piece of medical information... There's a book of surgery "Bailey and Love" yes that's the name of book of surgery very common in medical schools.

It states under "Penile Cancer" that it is found exclusively in un-circumcised males... But also say that circumcision after the age 6 does not make significant difference in incidence-rate of penile cancer... i.e. it's better to get it done before the age of 6.

 

[Insaanah]

Maybe you are right, the Quran is complete, it is all a Muslim needs.

The Qur'an tells you to follow the sunnah, and warns against not following it. I hope you will not allow yourself to be influenced by beliefs which, while claiming to follow the Qur'an, clearly ignore certain parts of it, picking and choosing those which seem to suit, and misinterpreting others. You cannot be a Qur'anist and follow the Qur'an properly. The two are mutually exclusive.

If Muslims stick to the Quran there would be no sects, no sectarian violence. Islam would be strong and undivided.

Allah revealed the Qur'an to the Prophet :saws: and inspired to him and taught him the sunnah, which, as per Allah's command, he :saws: and his companions, the righteous predecessors and the vast majority of the Muslims follow. So, what you're implying is, Allah and the Prophet :saws: got it wrong. We seek Allah's refuge from that. Rasoolullah :saws: said that as long as we hold fast to the book of Allah, and his sunnah, we will not go astray. It is only when Muslims have not followed these properly or have discarded one or the other, that new fangled groups and sects have appeared, and disunity has occurred.

I'm going to close this thread, because it is going nowhere, with the Qur'anist here conveniently ignoring all the points being made, and not reading the information being supplied, which proves from the Qur'an itself, that you must follow the sunnah of the Prophet :saws:.