is coke harram???

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Some of you members I have noticed are trying to sum up a conclusion upon your selves to decide wether coke is haraam or not when in fact no one is here qualified to come to the conclusion in the first place. Please read here....


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...only now do I understand why women only have half a vote....

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Brother, there's no need to get personal. Stick to the arguement. It will suit you better inshaAllah :peace:
 
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Salaam.

Maybe all this boycott thing will never work. How many of you know about marketting? I for one can tell you right now, the alternatives to Coke and Pepsi are not exactly what you think they are. The image of being a warrior in helping to stop the Israel bullets, who has proof that you are doing such thing? They may give some of their profits to Muslim charities, but what else do you know about these companies?

It's called twisted maketting. Coke has been accused of this, let's jump on it.
 
You're right boycotting will never happen. Our own muslim broz and sis's cant live without coke so to speak. And as far as proof is concerned.. don't you know what freemason means? What their goals are? Do some of your own research inshaAllah you will learn a lot about it.
 
Salaam.

I was talking about the alternatives. Why do they have such a positive image?

I know who the freemasons are. I heard of them like 7 years ago. I've had the tapes by Abdul Karim too. And all the other 'Shadow' series. Allah knows best about these things.

What we must do is just stick to our 5 daily prayers. You'll be suprised many of the people who promote all this boycott Israel and such 'logo twisting' business hardly have evidence of Sunnah on their faces, and don't even pray their Salaah. The ones in my town don't anyway.

Let us first become better Muslims. Then think about Jihad.
 
oi! I wasnt getting personal :P

I was making a joke lol serious!!

And yes bro the concept you are talking about is called "Canibalization" in marketing.

What basically happens is this.....
Lets say Coke notices that its sales are falling for some reason....
So it launches a NEW product called ISLAM COLA
now its corporate identity is well hidden not to disclose it belongs to Coca Cola...so Muslims think "oohh my cola Islam Cola :D"
and start buying it like crazy and shout slogans "boycott coca cola"

Now whats happend is this...

Coca Cola had 40% of the market Share to begin with
Decreased Sales were 10%
Introduction of ISLAM COLA - it picked up 5% of the market
So the loss of Coca Cola was reduced how?
The maths:
40(original) - 10(loss) + 5(gain thru Islam Cola) = 35 :D
IF they had not launched Islam cola their loss would have been greater
The maths:
40(original) - 10(loss)=30

In addition the Launch of Islam Cola increases the OVERALL size of the market segment
so for example if the Previous market had been 100000 users
With the launch of Islam cola 5000 users also started drinking cola
thus the total market became 105000

So the losses are even further decreased and also the market size has increased so over all now there is more opportunity for coca cola to earn more money :D

So boycotting coca cola wont do much....
 
oh i forgot to mentioned....so its called Canibilazation BECAUSE
Coca Cola canabalized part of its OWN market to save on losses :D
 
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Coke as in cocaine is harram.
Coke as in coca cola coke aint.
But it tastes nice and comes out fresh out the taps in pakistan.
Man, i haven't had coke for some time.

(thats right folkes, subliminal messagin' - drink coke!<-------that's a joke btw)
 
Salaam.

Nadia, that website has issues. Everyone knows that.
 
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No it doesn't. that sites where most people get their fatwa's from.



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Salaam.

And most people are correct are they. Doh.
 
Wa Alaykum salam Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

Why don’t we all say something beneficial or keep our opinions to ourselves. During the time of the prophet (pbuh) coke didn’t exist and they were happy without it.

If you doubt the product, khalas don’t drink it, no need to go around saying this and that and giving out our ijtihad as though we were qualified mujtahid from Al Azhar University.

Sometimes I find it so sad the Ummah has so much energy in arguing about irrelevant topic and when it comes to something beneficial no one bothers with it. After all it seems arguing is more fun and worthy of your attentions than reading something valuable.

If you doubt something, refrain from it, isn’t that what the prophet (pbuh) said? So why bother insisting that it has to be haraam or halal? Allahu’3llim whether the product is, May Allah (swt) save us from consuming the unlawful.

If you’re going to post at least THINK, perhaps that may save us all from sinning and getting caught up in yet another unnecessary debate with fellow Muslims.

(I seek forgiveness from the creator if I have written something incorrect)
 
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If there will continue to be prolonged debate about this matter, this thread willl be closed.

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Ermmm... I think that is one purpose of a forum to be able to air your opinions, hence the discussions/arguements. I was never in doubt, so my argument was presented with a strong belief, not doubt, about Coke being haram. It might not be beneficial to everybody, but that's up to each person to decide. No point in speaking on behalf of others.

Everyone knows Coke wasn't present in the days of the Prophet (PBUH). And neither were todays scholars. They looked at facts and findings, before passing fatwa on Coke. Findings which are sufficient for anybody with 2 braincells to decide whether or not Coke is haram.

I agree if in doubt about something refrain from it. But sorry to say refraining doesnt mean brushing the matter under the carpet. We should seek knowledge about it and only then we will escape our doubts. I'm surprised that despite having given so many facts, some people failed to see my point of view.

I don't see how you can call it an unnecessary debate. Maybe because I'm not a scholar. But hey intellect isn't gathered at 'Universities' you know. I based my argument on facts, which even a blind person could see. only it's the seeing ones that seem to turn a blind eye. Some of the replies were too absurd to even comment on.

I've given a link where you read about the Fatwa regarding Coke & other products. As this will suffice in backing up my arguement, I shall not be participating in this debate anymore.




http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/Iraq_Aftermath/2003/07/article_04.shtml
 
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Salam Alaikum

These fatwas against GOODS but not GOVTS are very convenient I am guessing because a lot of these shaikhs are living in USA or UK

The SAME arguments they have given against the companies can be applied against the govts as well.

I reject these fatwas on the grounds:

“Since we are not allowed to engage in physical Jihad, we have to benefit from what we can call economic Jihad
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Since when did Physical Jihad become "not allowed" there is not a single scholar on EARTH who can cancel out the commandment of Allah by his own fatwas! The prophet and his companions faught against the kuffar despite being very few in numbers - there is no excuse for cowardice!

Basically, a Muslim is not allowed to assist in strengthening the economy of non-Muslims at the expense of Muslim and national economy.
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How come this is only applying to companies? Why not country governments which are directly responsible for the military? Sounds like hipocracy to me!

American goods, exactly like “Israeli” goods, are forbidden. It is also forbidden to advertise these goods.
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They have not given any Quranic Ayah or Hadith to back up their arguments. And once again they talk about companies and not the governments! Plus they UTTERLY faily to provide documentation backing up their claims that ALL american companies give money to the US govt, plus I ask, its ok to WORK for these companies but not buy ther products? Amazing!

First of all, I’d like to stress the fact that economic boycott to American and Israeli products is a religious obligation. It is a form of sincere obedience to Allah and His Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). Muslim jurists have also agreed that it is a necessity. Every Muslim, who really believes in Allah and His Messenger, should believe - in the depth of his heart - that the boycott is an act of worship or `Ibadah dedicated to Almighty Allah.
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How convenient that the boycott of GOODS show "obedience to Allah" but the boycott of the governments and to migrate from these countries is NOT! This is pure hipocracy!

Lastly from the article:
4. Surely wherever we spend our money we support the US and Israeli governments, even our taxes support the US and Israeli governments; so why pick on some companies and boycott them?

Our inability to totally avoid US and Israeli goods is no excuse for us not to do anything. The companies to be boycotted are the major supporters of the Israeli occupation of Palestine and the US occupation of Iraq. If we can successfully campaign against these then the support of the others will, insha’Allah, evaporate.
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These guys obiviously do not know much about Politics, The largest source of financing of the War is not companies but the sales of arms! The war fuels itself - as long as the USA and UK can cause fear in the hearts of surrounding Muslim nations and sell them arms, the war will continue! Perfect example is them selling arms in huge quantities to Saudia Arabia and now even to Libya! (since after the war in Iraq - just a single airplane costs millions of dollars and tanks too!) Secondly the war is Financed through TAX PAYERS money so wouldnt that take precedence over Company contributions which come probably last amongst the list?


I stand on my grounds that who so ever says buying American and British goods is HARAM should also move out of these countries because paying Taxes and working for the companies of these countries (services vs goods) and also shopping in their markets is ALSO suporting their economy!

We cannot turn a blind eye to one side and choose the one which is convenient!

If haram then 100% haram - not pick and choose as you like:peace:

PS: if you computer is DELL then it should be HARAM too (if u accept these fatwas!)
Also notably if you are using the internet it becomes Haram as well since it is a US invention and the central Command net for the Entire Internet is in the USA not to mention 95% of ALL internet traffic is going through Sattellites owned by the USA!
Not to mention: Internet Explorer (USA)
Microsoft office (USA)
Microsoft Windows (USA)
Linux (USA)
Macintosh (USA)
Netscape (USA)
Firefox (USA)
A US good or service? DEFINATELY!

So I find it very funny the same Sheikhs are using US technology with US software on their computers and then saying boycott US goods?

tsk tsk what is the world coming to!

I personally use Opera which is from Norway :D lol
 
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Assalamu Alaikum

For those who think its haraam or questionable, just dont drink coke and inshallah research more on this subject instead of taking bits and pieces of fatwas and hadiths and stating ur opinions

For those that just dont give a care, Inshallah you are doing the right thing, but also research to make sure it is 100% halal..

Alhemdulilah im not faced with this problem as i dont drink pop at all, but just watching everyone argue over this is crazy lol...

May Allah guide us All to the righteous path ameen.

inshallah no one was offended by my post

Barak Allah feekum

fi aman Allah
w'salaam
 
walikum salam wr wb

my personal opinion (on the greater issue not just coke) is as follows:

It is high time the Muslims instead of migrating to and living in the USA and UK started facing the hardships and trials of life in their own under developed homepands t make them better!

Passing fatwas on Coca Cola while living in the USA is pure hipocracy in my opinion. Sheikhs doing such things only lose complete respect in my eyes.

They often do not take into account a simple thing... GPS (global positioning Sattellites)
This ENTIRE network 100% of it is owned and run by the US govt! It is the system by the use of which ships are able to sail throughout the oceans and position themselves on radar and such devices. It is also the system because of which ALL planes are able to successfully navigate through out the skies.

Boycotting American goods should include this - then where would we be?

I say boycott ALL these tyrants USA, UK, ISREAL and their friends and allies!

Take our capital and ourselves away from these countries and shift to peaceful nations or our homelands!

Develop our own nations and build our own ummah together even if we have to face hardships.

At this point I would like to Quote for you all a surah from the Quran and compare it to the world of today:
Surah 80 Abbasa
1 The (Prophet) frowned and turned away.
2 Because there came to him the blind man (interrupting).
3 But what could tell thee but that perchance he might Grow (in spiritual understanding)?
4 Or that he might receive admonition and the teaching might profit him?
5 As to one who regards himself as self-sufficient
6 To him dost thou attend;
7 Though it is no blame to thee if he grow not (in spiritual understanding).
8 But as to him who came to thee striving earnestly
9 And with fear (in his heart)
10 Of him wast thou unmindful.
11 By no means (should it be so)! For it is indeed a Message of instruction:

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This surah talks about a blind man who approached the Prophet(s) while he was preaching to a influential and rich group of Quraish leaders. The blind man kept asking questions but the Prophet turned away from him and attended to the Qurais leaders upon which this ENTIRE surah was revealed!

5 As to one who regards himself as self-sufficient
6 To him dost thou attend;
Dosent this sound a lot like the USA and UK ? Self sufficient not in need? Yet we all want to attend to them - give them dawah - live in their contries! How come?

8 But as to him who came to thee striving earnestly
9 And with fear (in his heart)
10 Of him wast thou unmindful.
Dosent this sound like our current Muslim Ummah? Striving earnestly but in fear of the enemies pouncing upon them? And we turn away from them? Move out of our homelands and shift to the west.

OUR HOUSE IS ON FIRE
and we are too bust in the west living peaceful lives!
It is something to think about.

Heaven is in the shade of swords (sacrifice)

Will we take on this sacrifice or make excuses of boycotting goods while supporting their economy by living there all our lives!

The choice is ours to make bros and sisters!

This is not just a thread about Coca Cola - this is a thread about all that is right and wrong.

May Allah swt benefit us from the good in it and safeguard us from the bad in it ameen.
Allah knows best and all that I may have said wrong unknowingly know that it was my error and may Allah swt forgive me. And all that I said right it was from Allah swt.
 
Salaam.

Didn't I say that website has issues. Why doesn't anyone believe me.

I guess only those Muslims who have found themselves again after years of being lost as Muslims get this sudden burst of Faith in them and believe such things as. May Allah help us all.
 
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well i heard that coke was haram when i was young but thats rumours!:confused: i can tell u that this boy told me that if u drink pepsi you're killing palestines or sumfin so i don't really know!:-\

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