Is depression caused by a problem with the brain or is it spiritually related?

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With proper balance, a life of resignation is one which is very close to the life of Prophet Muhammad pbuh. .

As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

I am compelled to make the distinction between people with undiagnosed mental health concerns and the life of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) who was an example for mankind.

1. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was not a recluse nor anti-social.
2. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was a husband, father and Military leader.
3. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) didn't neglect or make excuses for fulfilling his responsibilities as a man.
4. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) married, established a family and was an example of those who follow his Sunnah in word and deeds.
5. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) immediate family became his priority and primary concern.
 
Depressed people can turn their resigned state to their advantage. They have a 'stuff it' mentality that would probably prevent them from having long term goals. In that way, it will be easier for them to live each day as though it were their last (as we have been commanded).

They have little yearning for dunya related stuff and thus are less likely to become jealous of people, less likely to have exagerated sense of lust, less likely to be greedy or money hungry, less likely to be prideful, less likely to be arrogant, less likely to be vain, less likely to be immature, less likely to dwell on the petty and trivial.

Depressed people are more likely to be reserved, they'd usually only speak when spoken to. No useless convo. Just like we have been told to do by the Prophet SAW.

Whenever the Prophet SAW ever had something to laugh about, it was only a smile that he produced. It was never full on laughter. This is the same behaviour I'd expect to see from depressed people. They are in such a constant state of despair that their hearts wouldn't let them enjoy a unrestricted laughter of joy or otherwise. Only a half hearted smile at best is likely to be seen. Why was the Prophet Muhammad SAW like that? Cos he himself was in a constant state of agitation due to the gravity of the deen. The Prophet SAW knew the reality of this world and said 'If you knew what I know, you would laugh less and cry more'.

Depressed people are ten times more likely to engage in contemplation. They just need that push and when the yearning grows inside of them, they are far more likely to have a greater consciousness and realisation of Allah. Whereas with heedless people who go about their daily lives just praying the five salah, yet being so enganged in the dunya, they can't spend time to contemplate on Allah. They get bored. Depressed people are contemplative by nature.

They can't flip a switch and stop being 'deep' people. This is behaviour that has been moulded into their very beings, by the hardships that they've experienced.

On the flip side, their depression can be harmful in that they are more likely to be lazy, unenthusiastic, uncaring about situations. This can be dangerous to themselves and their iman, I don't deny that. But to lump people who have depression like symptoms as a mental disorder altogether to be treatd as being a bad state in and of itself is wrong in my opinion. There is good in it.

I mean, when people seek to 'cure' depression, what do they really seek to do? Make depressed people like enjoyment in this world? Laugh and play wholeheartedly without a care in the world? Is that meant to be a cure, really?

I'd say the best cure would be to give these people the correct understanding and guide them to turn their depression into contentment and submission. This does not mean we teach them not to tie their camels or not to complete their responsibilities. Everything has to be done by sharia. But to relegate depression as a disease to be cured is laughable. Psychologists, certainly non-muslim ones, would consider the praiseworthy traits I mentioned above about depressed people to be bad. They will want to 'treat' it. I say no to that.

Imagine a perfectly sane and joyful person is locked up for life. Prior to entry, while acknowledging that Allah exists and Islam being real, he drinks, fornicates, gambles, doesn't pray, commits sin after sin without a care in the world and enjoys life to the maximum.

The first few years he'd try to fight out of the locked room. He'd do it with passion and vigour. He'd feel as though the world was passing him by. He's not having fun anymore. It's so unfair etc etc. However, soon the realisation will dawn upon him that he cannot do anything about his situation. The only thing left is to accept and submit to it. He'll withdraw. He'll become reserved. He'll yearn for nothing. All the stuff that used to make him happy before will become meaningless to him. The state this man would eventually get into as a result would probably be termed as depression by most people/psychologists.

Now, look at the facts. This guy has become completely changed such that he doesn't even have the desire to indulge in major sins:
1. No desire to drink.
2. No desire to fornicate.
3. No desire to gamble.

This world is meaningless to him. 'Live as though you are a traveller'.. how is that possible if you love this world too much?

Health problem my a$$. This is a GOOD state to be in. Now all that needs to be done is to CHANNEL this condition into being motivated toward deen. A good pschyo would try and convince this guy to chase after the world again just so that he can feel alive and happy again. o_O

The locked room above can be seen as an analogy of the different ways in which people can become depressed. They face something so dreadful in life that they feel trapped, with no hope and no idea on where to go, what to do. The effects of being trapped is that it will keep you in a permanent state of despair and that despair will KILL your desires.

Having the ego (nafs) destroyed is undoubtedly a GOOD thing. Nowadays we're far far too indulgent and slaves of our own desires. A little bit of having things being put into perspective is not all awry.

Allah has said if Allah wills good upon people, he gives them hardship. Now ask yourself, considering the example of the locked room, this guy has been knocked away from following a lifetime of petty indulgences and had his mind trained to not even desire for such things. Is this NOT Allah willing good upon him? Everything happens by the will of Allah and there is wisdom in everything. Like I said, this guy needs now to be pushed toward deen. Not be stuffed full of meds so that he can go back to feeling love for the petty stuff he did before.

All too often people are growing disillusioned with this world. It's all a fake. There's so much BS out there. Our souls grow tired of it. That's why depression is so widespread. People don't want the crap anymore but don't know how to cope.

Their lives feel meaningless to them. Non-muslims will seek psychological treatment for it. They'll classify themselves as depressed and resign themselves to a lifetime of addiction to tablets as an apparent cure. They'll look to humanity for help.

I don't blame them, but as muslims, we know that the cure is with Allah alone.

The way this modern world and society has been engineered is not conducive toward gaining a free and healthy state of mind in the first place. It indirectly promotes depression. The whole system is corrupt. We need to think outside of the confines of this plastic place. In that there is good.

Imagine living in a serene and calm place. You are in a pleasant mountain farming community. There are simple wooden huts where you live. There is water from a spring. You farm, forage, you hunt for food. You have a central mosque where you and all other members of the community go to pray every day and on time. You don't have the things that constrict people in modern society. No useless distractions. You're praying and keeping your duty to Allah, you're being physically active and providing for your family.

Would you feel depressed there? Others may differ on this, but I honestly don't think I would, come rain or shine. It's the entire atmosphere that's pure and serene. Compare that to what we get confronted by on a daily basis in our current environments. Chase chase chase the dunya. We're prisoners!

We're always being prepared for the 'next' stage of life. When we're very young, we're told to prepare for nursery. In nursery, we're being prepared for primary school. In primary, we're told to prepare for secondary. In secondary, it's all about preparing for college. While in college, we're prepared for Uni. While in Uni, we're prepared for 'work'. While at work, we're preparing and yearn for retirement!

It's always planning planning planning. No rest. No living the day as it comes. It is very hard to live each day as it was your last like the Prophet SAW told us, when we are conditioned into preparing and planning for the next stage of life all the time.

The problem arises when our plans go against us. When things don't go our way, uh oh, we're doomed. We don't know how to cope. We hit rock bottom and suddenly things don't matter anymore and we become lost, forlorn and depressed. After a few years without cure, this depression is lodged deep within our minds and left unchecked, it becomes who we are.

We need to recognise that although we plan, Allah also plans and Allah is the best of planners. It will be that what Allah has planned for you is better for you than what you have planned. Thus, it is better to resign and submit to Allah's will. I'm not saying be absolutely fatalistic at all times, but those times when there is no other option, what else is there but to submit? What would you rather have depressed people do? Cry their whole lives?

From the get go, we're all conditioned into forming a life in this world as though it's permanent and the be all and end all. We're encouraged to chase success and happiness, whatever that means. We're not given the necessary coping mechanisms that allows us to come to terms with all sorts of loss or the patience we need to perservere in times of hardship.

The first step to being content is to accept that this world is nothing. Only a test. We shouldn't feel too upset at things that don't go our way. Be it death of loved ones, loss of romantic interests, loss of money, whatever. Even if we're thrown on the street and made destitute. These things should not make us lose hope in Allah.

No amount of money in the world would make a depressed soul happy or feel 'alive'. No amount of food, no amount of women, no amount of anything. True contentment lies only in the worship and remembrance of Allah. Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest.

Hasbunallahu wa nimal wakeel. People need to also have this understanding that they need nothing and nobody except Allah.

Having utmost faith and reliance on Allah WILL help depressed people.
 
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You made some very valuable points above, but I do not think using the depressed state of a person to strengthen his/her iman is as easy as you make out. While a depressed person may be less inclined to the world, the depression does not neccassarily create a platform for them to become stronger in deen. I don't know if you've been through depression yourself, or know anybody around you who has and followed the route as you suggested.
 
Wa alaykum salam,

If an independent person/psych were to look at my state, I'd most likely be incorrectly diagnosed with depression.

I do not think using the depressed state of a person to strengthen his/her iman is as easy as you make out.
Of course. I don't mean to say it's easy.

However, it is the ONLY solution.
 
what are they brother? :)

A routing table is used by routers like a map, when a router receives a packet it checks the routing table for the best path to send the packet down. The best path is determined by the number of hops to the destination. geeky knowledge level = 10%

They are dynamic routing protocols in CCNA brother....i guess you have not covered that yet...lol
 
They are dynamic routing protocols in CCNA brother....i guess you have not covered that yet...lol

not yet brother lol, we've just covered RIP and RIP V1, RIP is a routing protocol that determines the best path by the number of hops I think, I could be wrong.

but that doesn't neccessarily mean it's the best routing protocol because the number of hops to the destination isn't a 100% accurate way of finding the quickest way to the destination. It isn't the best "metric" yay I remembered the geeky word my teacher used :)

For example the connection speed of the interfaces also plays an important role, you could have 1 path that is only 2 hops to the destination and another path that is 4 hops to the destination, however the 4hops path might be quicker than the two hops path because it could have a faster connection speed on the interfaces like T1 and the other interfaces with less hops could have 56k connection speed.

RIP also broadcasts route information to other routers if you allow it to,

hmm that's all I remember, do you know if what I said above is correct bro? :p I could be totally wrong :(

also why did they release RIP Version 1 again? I know it's an updated version of RIP but what was the reason they released it?

is it to do with class 4 ip addresses or something? :p we should make our own cisco thread.
 
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i think depression is caused by grief of a person dying or losing somebody very special or growing up in a dysfunctional family. my family for example are always fighting and that made me mentally sick
 
i think i finally admit, i got mild depression, after 16 months, May be i am going to see a doctor who can refer me to some counnselling.

But my prob is spiritual and mental, so i dont know who to see,

Sticking to the halal and Allah swt commandments are making me depressed
The nafs are not in peace,

I dont wanna fight anymore, in too much debt , cant get married , i dont know what to do
 
i think i finally admit, i got mild depression, after 16 months, May be i am going to see a doctor who can refer me to some counnselling.

But my prob is spiritual and mental, so i dont know who to see,

Sticking to the halal and Allah swt commandments are making me depressed
The nafs are not in peace,

I dont wanna fight anymore, in too much debt , cant get married , i dont know what to do

welcome to my life imsad have you tried taking st johns wort? I'm taking it at the moment and I think it's working :hmm: it's for mild depression. and it's herbal remedy.

my nafs not in peace also :( and marriage I'm giving up on the idea :( I've got more chance of winning the lottery I think imsad
 
As-Salāmu `Alaykum (السلام عليكم):

I am compelled to make the distinction between people with undiagnosed mental health concerns and the life of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) who was an example for mankind.

1. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was not a recluse nor anti-social.
2. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was a husband, father and Military leader.
3. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) didn't neglect or make excuses for fulfilling his responsibilities as a man.
4. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) married, established a family and was an example of those who follow his Sunnah in word and deeds.
5. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) immediate family became his priority and primary concern.

Look at this self-proclaimed follower of Muhammad (pbuh). He claims that those people who have a different worldview have "undiagnosed mental health concerns." Way to go.

Prophet Muhammad pbuh spent quite a lot of time in seclusion in the mornings, his visit to the cave etc. The Prophet also ate minimal food, a quality of a "recluse." Umar (ra) also ate minimal food. Did not have snack every 3 hours.

If Prophet's "immediate family" was his priority, why does Ayesha (ra) say that weeks would pass by and fire would not be lit in their kitchen? I am not saying that Prophet pbuh did not take care of his family, he did. We have bring our definitions of "taking care" of family in line with his (saw).

You have to first define what are the responsibilities of "a man." One can be considered refusing to fulfill those responsibilities if he promised to fulfill em and is now avoiding em. A man who does not even marry, how is he trying to escape his responsibilities? He has not even accepted and become responsible for that thing yet as he has not even married.
 
back in the 1950s in the era immediately preceding the Hippy era we were the Beatnik generation. Our attitude was to completely drop out of the responsibility of life. We had escaped from the responsibility of life and had given up all hope of a better future. we were the drop outs from life.

Very similar to what you just posted. Although we saw ourselves as being very benign and accepting of all things, we probably were the most self centered and selfish generation to come out of America.

I think the Hippie movement was quite different. These guys were into drugs and what not and the rock movement also coincides with their emergence. Jimmy Hendrix?

I am talking about zuhd. Muslim sufis (good ones) have been practicing this for centuries in Persia, India, and probably Arabia too.

Even Ibn Taymiyya (ra) has spent a life which is very similar to that of a recluse. He did not marry. All of his energies were devoted to Allah and not to his body or nafs. He, just like the Prophet, participated in worldly activities but only those which were related to Allah's deen. Neither I nor Alpha are claiming that we give up on these responsibilities which we have towards Allah (swt). If you read the letter of Ibn Taymiyya to his mother, he did not even have the opportunity to meet his mom as he was traveling, not for his pleasure, but for Allah's deen. That is the recluse we are talking about. This recluse is very different from Christian monk who encloses himself in monastery and completely breaks off from the world. A Jain also in his old age completely breaks off from world including eating till he dies of starvation. We are not saying a Muslim "recluse" is like that.
 
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welcome to my life imsad have you tried taking st johns wort? I'm taking it at the moment and I think it's working :hmm: it's for mild depression. and it's herbal remedy.

my nafs not in peace also :( and marriage I'm giving up on the idea :( I've got more chance of winning the lottery I think imsad

i know st john worts works ,

Brother are they 100% halal , i only ask because its a herb, and it gets your mind a bit heavy. please let me know please
 
i think i finally admit, i got mild depression, after 16 months, May be i am going to see a doctor who can refer me to some counnselling.

But my prob is spiritual and mental, so i dont know who to see,

Sticking to the halal and Allah swt commandments are making me depressed
The nafs are not in peace,

I dont wanna fight anymore, in too much debt , cant get married , i dont know what to do

brother i know how u feel :( i want to implement islam everyday of my life so i wouldn't even have time to sin if i was doing something good everyday. it seems like my friends dont have time for me there busy with raising there kids most of them have kids of course i see them i go to there house we talk about our deen and i feel so much at peace and my iman reaches a mountain top we meet at the mosque from time to time but still its tough i feel alone sometimes it makes me depressed
 
i know st john worts works ,

Brother are they 100% halal , i only ask because its a herb, and it gets your mind a bit heavy. please let me know please

hmm I'm not sure, but aren't they just like flowers or something? they're not from living things right?
 
I wanna feel that peace inside of me while fighting my nafs

or are we not meant too, I always hear islam is a way of life

so why i aint i feeling it any more.
 
I wanna feel that peace inside of me while fighting my nafs

or are we not meant too, I always hear islam is a way of life

so why i aint i feeling it any more.


I know what you mean, I've tasted the peace you are talking about, It's been ages since I felt it imsad

I'm all ways trying to reproduce the things that made me get it like the way I prayed but I can't get it back imsad
 

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