Is Execution by Saudi really bad?

[M.I.A.]

if i could.. i would have a farm very very far away and rear the chickens myself.

as it is, i think you'd be hard pressed to find an islamic body that even knows what its talking about.

we even had an islamic cercificate certifying halal meat overseeing non profit orgonisation go brankrupt recently... go figure.


well the chicken is more innocent because it has white meat.. and thats two thumb up in my book, the less blood the better.


you seem to fail to realise that islam did not start of as a multitude of people with authority and a land.

once you grasp that then its easier to understand how law works and what many people have to do or not do to stay within it...

i do recognise and respect quranic law, but even then its more about informing people of there rights.

 

[جوري]

You're confabulating!

best,

 

[Santoku]

It is the best and fastest way to execute.. that's why invented the guillotine no? or when the French come up with it, it is so progressive?

Actually the guillotine was a derivation of the Halifax Gibbet (invented in the north of England), adapted by a chap called Guillotin to democratise execution - beheading was reserved for the aristocracy and beheading with axe or sword is a tricky business - too easy to botch the job see Anne Boleyn so get a machine to do it - the machine does not get tired, does not make mistakes and delivers the same cut time after time. There is evidence that death by decapitation is not instantaneous as some would have you believe - there are numerous instances of freshly cut heads trying to talk or scream (not easy without lung connection) or grimacing in pain during the french revolution and the mass executions that followed.

Although what the definition of best method of execution is lies with the individual, personally I would prefer the chemical execution method of the US. Slower but it seems less painfull.

Fially of course we have the problem of the false conviction, a mistaken identity misinterpreted evidence or just plain corruption of the judiciary can lead to a false conviction, death is final. A falsely convicted prisoner can be letout and paid compensation, it is a bit harder to stitch someones head back on and let them walk away, isn't it.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Saudi has made some rather strange rulings and strange judgments. Now there's another ambiguous case in which they want to preform the capital punishment in. It is indeed worrying at times.

 

[ardianto]

Saudi has made some rather strange rulings and strange judgments. Now there's another ambiguous case in which they want to preform the capital punishment in. It is indeed worrying at times.

Are you talking about Rizana Nafeek?.

She is executed today.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Yes, I just realized she got executed. May Allah have mercy on her soul.

You are either ignorant or naive if you think the judicial system in Saudi is perfect to the point you'd like to be a beheader there.

 

[ardianto]

Yes, I just realized she got executed. May Allah have mercy on her soul.

You are either ignorant or naive if you think the judicial system in Saudi is perfect to the point you'd like to be a beheader there.

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhui raji'oon.

I hope "you" in your post is not me.

 

[Al-Zaara]

Oh no, no. It was the thread starter, the initial post, I was referring to.

 

[Urban Turban]

I seen a lot of videos of Saudi Execution by sword, Saudi usually execute murders, rapist, pedos etc by beheading why do western people thing it is totally mad? I mean you pay the prize if you destroy some ones life. Most people don't know how Saudi works, but if the victims family forgives the criminal their life can be spared. What do you guys think about it?

I would not mind being an executioner as well lol..

Why should we care what the 'west' think about it?
There have been calls by protesters / activists in India to send the rapists to Saudi for punishment, so there you go..

 

[Urban Turban]

Oh no, no. It was the thread starter, the initial post, I was referring to.

Great signature..

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Wow!

 

[جوري]

Although what the definition of best method of execution is lies with the individual, personally I would prefer the chemical execution method of the US. Slower but it seems less painfull.

You've an experience with that kind of death or just guessing?

Fially of course we have the problem of the false conviction, a mistaken identity misinterpreted evidence or just plain corruption of the judiciary can lead to a false conviction, death is final. A falsely convicted prisoner can be letout and paid compensation, it is a bit harder to stitch someones head back on and let them walk away, isn't it.

Begs the question of why western societies believe that they're such fair and just societies - worse yet wish to export that brand of justice the world over, if the average citizen is left with doubt as to the judicial system.
It is rather a poor reflection on your society- personally I'd not be happy admitting to that so freely and in the same breath advocating for all things western or mocking all things eastern.

best,

 

[Perseveranze]

Although what the definition of best method of execution is lies with the individual, personally I would prefer the chemical execution method of the US. Slower but it seems less painfull.

I wouldn't consider it the the best deterrant. When someone's about to do a henious crime, if their options are all or nothing, with nothing being a painless death; they'll probably be crazy enough to still risk it.

But when the method of execution lingers in their mind to have to really think about - then they'll also think harder before carrying out the act.

 

[GuestFellow]

I couldn't care less what the west think - the truth is that they are jealous because the crime stat in KSA is like, one of the lowest in the entire world, if not the lowest...

Do you really believe that they are jealous?

 

[جوري]

Do you really believe that they are jealous?

I just posted a topic in the Arabic section about how the west celebrated the fall of the last of the caliphate:

http://www.islamicboard.com/arabic/134317408-why-suliman-why-harem.html

 

[GuestFellow]

:wa:

That doesn't actually mean that they are jealous...

 

[LauraS]

Speaking as a "westerner" I can say few I know have opinions about Saudi Arabia at all, let alone are jealous of their justice system. A lot of time on this forum is spent assuming what western people think. In fact the west seems to crop up in just about every topic.

I have mixed opinions on the death sentence, if they turn out to be innocent there's no going back (as has already been said).

 

[Independent]

Some surprising statistics...

The UN rates show little difference in murder rates between the two countries. Both are very low. Saudi Arabia is at 1.0 murders per 100,000 per year, while the UK is very slightly higher at 1.2.

Given that the UK is of course a den of iniquity populated almost entirely by semi human deviants and gay people (apart from Glo, Erik and LauraS of course) who would naturally be tearing each other limb from limb on a daily basis - or so i read somewhere here - it would suggest that the presence or absence of the death penalty is not a key factor.

 

[aamirsaab]

Some surprising statistics...

The UN rates show little difference in murder rates between the two countries. Both are very low. Saudi Arabia is at 1.0 murders per 100,000 per year, while the UK is very slightly higher at 1.2.

Given that the UK is of course a den of iniquity populated almost entirely by semi human deviants and gay people (apart from Glo, Erik and LauraS of course) who would naturally be tearing each other limb from limb on a daily basis - or so i read somewhere here - it would suggest that the presence or absence of the death penalty is not a key factor.

The problem with comparing these kinds of statistics so rigidly is they don't factor in the functionality of the actual legal system itself nor the cultural history of the countries. If the legal system is seen by the public as just and the punishments (whatever they are) are seen as deterrents, it doesn't actually matter what justice/punishment system you use.

Other potential things that aren't shown in Murder per capita and similar statistics are again cultural differences, media exposure (yes this does have an effect on people), political climates and so forth. I'm not bashing any legal system here btw, just mentioning a few things to keep in mind.

 

[Independent]

The problem with comparing these kinds of statistics so rigidly is they don't factor in the functionality of the actual legal system itself nor the cultural history of the countries. If the legal system is seen by the public as just and the punishments (whatever they are) are seen as deterrents, it doesn't actually matter what justice/punishment system you use.

I agree with you. It's very difficult to compare across countries. Although plainly, the absence of the death penalty in countries like the UK has not led to a surge in homicide.

As you may know, in the UK's own history, the period when punishment was harshest (the 18th century), was also the time when the homicide rate was highest. The phrase 'might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb' dates from that time. ie if you're going to get hung for a small crime, you might as well commit a bigger one.

The reason why punishments became so severe was because the Uk was struggling to deal with massive urban expansion without any professional police force. The chances of being caught for any crime were small.

In other words, the most important deterrent to crime is not the punishment, but the likelihood of being caught.

 

[Roasted Cashew]

the most important deterrent to crime is not the punishment, but the likelihood of being caught

I think they both go hand in hand...the don't want to get caught because they are afraid of the punishment... the harsher the punishment, the more likely they wouldn't want to be caught..