Is hell fire justified for people who are kind and good at heart?

[Ümit]

Greetings and peace be with you umie;



Allah chooses whom he wills, as always, it is the will of Allah. By striving to be the best possible Muslim, you might also help.

Every blessing this Ramadan,

Eric

Yes that is true. İ fully agree...but striving to be the best possible muslim includes to make those who are interested aware of the dangers of thehereafter...and then still leave the rest to Allah.
You cannot expect Allah to help if you do not put effort in it.
A farmer cannot just plant seeds and then just pray to Allah to help him...he needs to take care of his crops...to water them...and after he has done everything in his power...then he can pray to Allah to help him...

That Allah chooses whom he helps does not mean you should not do something...maybe Allah chooses you as a tool to help others to make them aware...ever thought about it like that?

Every blessings double to you inşaallah my brother

 

[keiv]

The question is not about sin here!

The question asks whether hell fire is just for people who are kind and good at heart but are disbelievers ?

Disbelieving IS a sin. Why would Allah be merciful towards people who reject Him?

 

[air]

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For someone who is kind to others but God, it means s/he's kind only to others but hurting God.

There is nothing wrong with you to sympathize others who you said are good but will be placed in hell, but please be careful not to justified it to attack or urge to renew Islam.

 

[Ümit]

I know many people who are good at heart and are nice people but they are non-Muslims. Sometimes I wonder whether they deserve the hell fire or not??

Bill Gates and Melinda Gates are great people and they're also into philanthropy . They're doing alot for the world. Bill Gates doesn't believe in God, he believes only in humanity. He's an open-minded person.
I wonder did he never come across Islam or the Quran ? Why doesn't he want to become God conscious ? Why can't he accept the fact that God exists ?

you are totally missing the purpose of why you came here on Earth.

Let us say you are taking a math test. in this test, you can explain Einstein's relativity theory with in great detail and precision, but if you do not answer the math questions in the right way, you will fail your test.

you came here on this Earth for your test. Your objection is to find Allah and to believe in Him. He has given you a lot of clues, you just have to reckognize them and to believe in Him.
You can do great things in life...help a lot of people...create a world peace...but if you do not believe in Allah, you have failed your test.
your good deeds, you will be greatly rewarded for those. the rewards will be much much greater than your efforts...but unfortunately it will only be temporary...

On judgement day, only believers will be able to cross the Sirat bridge and enter Heaven.
The disbelievers, who already were greatly rewarded for their good deeds, will have only their sins on this day...and fall down the Sirat bridge, right into Hell for Eternity...because they have failed their tests on Earth.

 

[TURJUMAN]

''وماخلقت الجن والإنس إلا ليعبدون''
"I did not create Jinn & Mankind except that the worship ME (Alone)''.

That is what Allah says in the Qur'an. Kindness, charity, humility, modesty....etc are all virtuous deed; but without believing in Allah, His Angels, His Books, His Messengers, The Final Day, Pre-destiny (Qadar), then those deeds will not be accepted by Allah the Almighty. They might be rewarded somehow in this Dunya, but in Akhera they have no Naseeb (Portion). Read the following verse & ponder carefully:

{[h=2]Righteousness is not that you turn your faces toward the east or the west, but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in Allah, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth, in spite of love for it, to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for freeing slaves; [and who] establishes prayer and gives zakah; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous.[/h]} Al Qur'an 2:177

My final advice: refrain from overthinking about shubuhaat which the shaytan might use against you. Allah is the One who asks but is not Asked!

 

[sister herb]

Salam alaykum

I don´t see that you have totally missed why you came to this earth (like someone said in this discussion), sister, but that Allah has blessed you with a warm heart when thinking about others and that´s always a positive thing. :statisfie

 

[Nashita]

Salam alaykum

I don´t see that you have totally missed why you came to this earth (like someone said in this discussion), sister, but that Allah has blessed you with a warm heart when thinking about others and that´s always a positive thing. :statisfie

Walaikum assalam
Thank you sister for your kind words [emoji4]

 

[Ümit]

Salam alaykum

I don´t see that you have totally missed why you came to this earth (like someone said in this discussion), sister, but that Allah has blessed you with a warm heart when thinking about others and that´s always a positive thing. :statisfie

Now that I re-read my own post, it sounds like very hard towards Nashita.
I am sorry, I did not mean it that way at all. I agree with sister herb that you have a warm heart, but I just wanted to explain why it is not unjust that good-hearted non-believers still deserve Hell for eternity.

What I meant with "totally missed why you came to this earth" was that she appearantly did not realise why we come to this Earth, and what our objective here is:
to search and believe in the one true God. only helping others and being kind is OK, but it is not enough to fullfill our objective.

I did not mean to say something like "she totally failed in this life" or something like the kind.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Nashita]

Now that I re-read my own post, it sounds like very hard towards Nashita.
I am sorry, I did not mean it that way at all. I agree with sister herb that you have a warm heart, but I just wanted to explain why it is not unjust that good-hearted non-believers still deserve Hell for eternity.

What I meant with "totally missed why you came to this earth" was that she appearantly did not realise why we come to this Earth, and what our objective here is:
to search and believe in the one true God. only helping others and being kind is OK, but it is not enough to fullfill our objective.

I did not mean to say something like "she totally failed in this life" or something like the kind.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding.

It's okay sister . I got your point!

I appreciate your effort to make me understand. I need to research more on this, I am sure I am gonna convince myself soon with a conclusion on this . Allah knows the best . He will help me find a way.

 

[beleiver]

Interesting question in the OP but i dont think Bill Gates is a great example..vaccine damaged kids are a reality and someone is making big money selling those shots, and selling baby formula (subsidised again by charity) which is another story linked to Mr Gates and the alleged depopulation agenda.
besides.
Can Islam support micro$oft and the intellectual 'property' racket and a corporate system where one man can amass such obscene wealth?
Wealth invested in (among others) Nestle, Monsanto, GMO, and vaccine producers..my guess is all those that partake in that kind of system are going to burn in the hellfire when their day comes whether they knowingly kill millions or not.

I think my Dad would be a better example, a good kind hearted honest atheist worked hard all his life for sweet fa , inshalla he is not in the place where Bill and his corporate ceo mates are going.

 

[Ümit]

Interesting question in the OP but i dont think Bill Gates is a great example..vaccine damaged kids are a reality and someone is making big money selling those shots, and selling baby formula (subsidised again by charity) which is another story linked to Mr Gates and the alleged depopulation agenda.
besides.
Can Islam support micro$oft and the intellectual 'property' racket and a corporate system where one man can amass such obscene wealth?
Wealth invested in (among others) Nestle, Monsanto, GMO, and vaccine producers..my guess is all those that partake in that kind of system are going to burn in the hellfire when their day comes whether they knowingly kill millions or not.

I think my Dad would be a better example, a good kind hearted honest atheist worked hard all his life for sweet fa , inshalla he is not in the place where Bill and his corporate ceo mates are going.

Sorry, I really do not want to talk about your father, but I if your father died as a real atheist, he rejected Islam etc....then I'm afraid that there is only little chance that he is in a better place now. Of course, God is the one who makes the final decision, but I am afraid that he is regretting his choices on Earth right now.
A hard lesson to you to not be like your father and make sure you earn your place in heaven.
Your father did not invest in his future...but for you...do not make the same mistake.

Sorry, I really do not want to be hard on you...you might want to insult or hurt me...I do not mind...but I DO want to make you aware of it.

blessings to you.

 

[beleiver]

Sorry, I really do not want to talk about your father, but I if your father died as a real atheist, he rejected Islam etc....then I'm afraid that there is only little chance that he is in a better place now. Of course, God is the one who makes the final decision, but I am afraid that he is regretting his choices on Earth right now.
A hard lesson to you to not be like your father and make sure you earn your place in heaven.
Your father did not invest in his future...but for you...do not make the same mistake.

Sorry, I really do not want to be hard on you...you might want to insult or hurt me...I do not mind...but I DO want to make you aware of it.

blessings to you.

I dont think my Dad rejected Islam as in he probably never looked into it, but in my eyes, he did submit to what in his heart he thought was true and just and he was a good doer in his life, which indirectly is submitting to the will of God, which Inshalla is enough.

And peace and blessings be upon you for making me aware of the Truth.

[FONT=&quot]Quran 2:111-112 "And they say, 'None shall enter Paradise except that they be Jews or Christians.' Such are their desires... However, whosoever submits his will to God, being a good-doer, his wage is with his Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they fell sorrow. "

2:115
[/FONT][h=2]And to Allah belongs the east and the west. So wherever you [might] turn, there is the Face of Allah . Indeed, Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.[/h][FONT=&quot]


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[Eric H]

Greetings and peace be with you umie;

Of course, God is the one who makes the final decision,

It has been said that a theologian is someone who has thoughts on the nature of God, but it has also been said, that a theologian reveals more of their own nature, than they do of God's nature.

I recall a conversation with a drunk lady. She said she gets in lots of fights and beats people up, she asked, will God forgive her?

I said you are probably asking the wrong question, and the question you have to ask yourself is this, next time I am angry and want to hit someone, can I find it in my heart to forgive them? If you can forgive them, you will come to understand how God can forgive you.

We can never truthfully understand the nature of God, but I believe the 99 names of Allah help us. Read through all the names and their meanings, see what is mentioned more; punishment or forgiveness, mercy and compassion. How many times is forgiver mentioned compared to punisher? Check out the first and last names and look at the order the names are written.

81, Avenger,
82, Forgiver
83, compassionate.

We are all in need of the mercy, forgiveness and compassion of Allah.

May you and your family be blessed this Ramadan

Eric

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

I know many people who are good at heart and are nice people but they are non-Muslims. Sometimes I wonder whether they deserve the hell fire or not??

Bill Gates and Melinda Gates are great people and they're also into philanthropy . They're doing alot for the world. Bill Gates doesn't believe in God, he believes only in humanity. He's an open-minded person.
I wonder did he never come across Islam or the Quran ? Why doesn't he want to become God conscious ? Why can't he accept the fact that God exists ?

Firstly my sister you or I cannot judge who is truly a good or bad person. What we see of glimpses of a person's life or what we see of them via the media of their "alleged" goodworks does not mean we know or understand the full and bigger picture of what they get upto behind closed doors. Allah tells us in the Qur'an about the deception of this life. This is a very profound statement that many of us do not truly understand. For if we were to know the real and full truth about the extent of the deception of this world then many of us would find it very difficult to believe and comprehend. This is because most of us are asleep to the true reality of this world. Certain people are glorified by the media or by some people as doing much good, however the true reality is that they are involved in evil beyond our imagination and are amongst the most evil people on Earth. Even those people who do much good are not guaranteed to enter Paradise because their deeds were corrupted with insincerety and bad intentions:

Abu Hurairah (RA) narrated a hadith of the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) that clearly shows how the act of doing things for others can cause some to be enflamed on the Day of Judgment. One of them, for example, will be a wealthy man who will be brought, and Allah will say to him: “Was I not so generous with you that I did not leave you without any need from anyone?” He will reply: ‘Of course O Lord!’ Allah will ask: “Then what did you do with what I gave to you?” He will say: ‘I would nurture the ties of kinship and give charity.’ Then Allah will say to him: “You have lied. Rather, you wanted it to be said that so-and-so is so generous, and that was said. (meaning that you wanted to get appreciated and that’s what happened.)” (Part of a long hadith in Sunan Tirmidhi Vol. 4, Book 10, Hadith 2382).

So it is best to leave the judging to Allah as he is the best of judges because he knows and understand the full and bigger picture of the life, sincerety and intentions of every soul. We only know from what we see in a few glimpses of a persons life or what we see of certain people as portrayed by the media or by other people. For Almighty Allah knows everything including what lies in the deepest part of every persons heart and what they do behind closed doors.

Therefore we must have certainty that he is the best of judges with regards to who deserves to be saved and who deserves to perish. He is the most just and his mercy is greater than his wrath, so therefore he will save many souls even those who we may think do not deserve it. This is because his mercy, compassion and generosity is far greater than any of us can ever comprehend.

So know that we must never think that we know best regarding who is worthy and who is not worthy of doom for we know very little and therefore we cannot even begin to think we know better. We must full put our trust in the one who created us and everything around us and who gave us our eyes to see and minds to think. We must do our best to save ourselves and our families first and foremost and then the rest of the Muslims as well as inviting the non Muslims to the right path. We can do this by firstly being the best examples we possibly can trying to understand the Qur'an and emulating the character of our beloved Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) and also inviting others to the path of Islam in the best way and manner using wisdom and tact.

May Allah save us and our families from doom, accept our good deeds and forgive our short comings and any hidden bad intentions. Ameen

 

[Abz2000]

Hatim al-Tai or Hatim Altaaey (Arabic: حاتم الطائي‎ Hatim of the Tayy tribe; died 578), but formally Ḥātim bin ʿAbda'llāh bin Saʿad a'ṭ-Ṭāʾiyy (Arabic: حاتم بن عبد الله بن سعد الطائي‎) was a famous Arab poet who belonged to the Ta'i tribe of Arabia. Stories about his extreme generosity have made him an icon among Arabs up until today, as evident in the proverbial phrase "more generous than Hatim" (Arabic: أكرم من حاتم‎).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatim_al-Tai




Adiyy ibn Hatim ( عدي ابن حاتم الطائي ) was a leader of the Arab tribe of Tayy, and one of the companions of Muhammad. He is the son of the poet Hatim al-Tai[1] who was widely known for his chivalry and generosity among Arabs. Adi remained antagonistic to Islam for about twenty years until he converted to Islam from Christianity[2] in 630 (9th year of Hijra).[3]

Adiyy inherited the domain of his father and was confirmed in the position by the Tayy people. A great part of his strength lay in the fact that a quarter of any amount they gained as booty from raiding expeditions had to be given to him.

Adi joined the Islamic army at the time of caliph Abu Bakr. He fought wars of revolt against the apostates and also was a commander of the Islamic army sent to invade Iraq under the command of Khalid ibn al-Walid. He also fought on the side of Ali ibn Abi Talib, at the Battle of Camel and Battle of Siffin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_ibn_Hatim



There are a number of ahaadeeth which mention Haatim al-Taai, some of which are hasan (good), some da’eef (weak) and some mawdoo’ (fabricated).

(a) It was narrated that ‘Adiyy ibn Haatim said: I said to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “My father used to uphold the ties of kinship, and do such and such… Will he have any (reward) for that?” He said, “Your father seeking something and he got it.”

This was narrated by Ahmad, 32/129, and classed and hasan by Shaykh Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot.

(b) It was narrated that ‘Adiyy ibn Haatim said: I said, “O Messenger of Allaah, my father used to uphold the ties of kinship, and do such and such.” He said, “Your father wanted something and got it” meaning, fame.

Narrated by Ahmad (30/200); classed as hasan by Shaykh Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot, and classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan, 1/41.

(c) It was narrated from Sahl ibn Sa’d al-Saa’idi that ‘Adiyy ibn Haatim came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, my father used to uphold the ties of kinship, and spend on the needy, and feed people.” He said, “Did he live to see Islam?” He said, “No.” He said, “Your father wanted to be remembered.”

Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 6/197. Its isnaad includes Rushdeen ibn Sa’d, who is da’eef (weak), but it is supported by the report mentioned above.

The phrase translated above and “spend on the needy” means spending on the weak, the poor, orphans and dependents, etc.

(d) It was narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: Mention was made of Haatim in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he said, “That is a man who wanted something and got it.”

Al-Haythami said:

This was narrated by al-Bazzaar, and its isnaad includes ‘Ubayd ibn Waaqid al-‘Absi, who was classed as da’eef by Abu Haatim.

Majma’ al-Zawaa’id, 1/119

But it is supported by the reports quoted above.

Ibn Katheer said:

We have mentioned the biography of Haatim Tay’ in the days of the Jaahiliyyah when we mentioned those who died of the famous people of that era, and we referred to his generosity and kindness to people. But generosity and kindness must be based on faith if they are to benefit a person in the Hereafter, but he never said one day, “O Lord, forgive me my sins on the Day of Judgement.”

Al-Bidaayah wa’l-Nihaayah, 5/67.

And Allaah knows best.


https://islamqa.info/en/11909





Muslim (203) narrated from Anas (may Allaah be pleased with him)
That a man said:
“O Messenger of Allaah, where is my father?”
He said: “In Hell.”
When he turned away he called him back and said:
“My father and your father are in Hell.”




Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This shows that whoever dies in a state of kufr will be in Hell. And being related to one who is close to Allaah will not avail him anything. It also shows that whoever died during the fatrah (the interval between the Prophethood of ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) and that of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)) and was the follower of the way of the Arabs at that time, which was idol worship, will also be among the people of Hell. There is no excuse for the call not reaching them, because the call of Ibraaheem and other Prophets (peace be upon them) had reached these people.

Muslim (976) narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
“I asked my Lord for permission to pray for forgiveness for my mother, but He did not give me permission. And I asked Him for permission to visit her grave, and He gave me permission.”


https://islamqa.info/en/47170


Arabic
أَجَعَلْتُمْ سِقَايَةَ الْحَاجِّ وَعِمَارَةَ الْمَسْجِدِ الْحَرَامِ كَمَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَجَاهَدَ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ لَا يَسْتَوُونَ عِندَ اللَّهِ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

Transliteration
AjaAAaltum siqayata alhajji waAAimarata almasjidi alharami kaman amana biAllahi waalyawmi al-akhiri wajahada fee sabeeli Allahi la yastawoona AAinda Allahi waAllahu la yahdee alqawma alththalimeena

Literal
(Word by Word)
Do you make the providing of water (to) the pilgrims and (the) maintenance (of) Al-Masjid Al-Haraam like (the one) who believes in Allah and the Day the Last, and strives in (the) way (of) Allah? They are not equal near Allah. And Allah (does) not guide the people unjust.

Muhammad Asad
Do you, perchance, regard the [mere] giving of water to pilgrims and the tending of the Inviolable House of Worship as being equal to [the works of] one who believes in God and the Last Day and strives hard in God's cause? These [things] are not equal in the sight of God. And God does not grace with His guidance people who [deliberately] do wrong.

M. M. Pickthall
Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst and tendance of the Inviolable Place of Worship as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah? They are not equal in the sight of Allah. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

Yusuf Ali (Saudi Rev. 1985)
Do ye make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Sacred Mosque, equal to (the pious service of) those who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and strive with might and main in the cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah: and Allah guides not those who do wrong.

Quran 9:19

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Arabic

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا اتَّقُوا اللَّهَ وَابْتَغُوا إِلَيْهِ الْوَسِيلَةَ وَجَاهِدُوا فِي سَبِيلِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ

“O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means [of nearness] to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed.”

– Quran 5:35