Is Hijaab a TORTURE !!

[Brother_Mujahid]

yh arwa meant fardh

which hijab is

be quiet im trying to listen to the nasheed

 

[Uthman]

:lol:



P.S. I think Charisma was just joking!

 

[S_87]

which nasheed ???

 

[Uthman]

'The Creator' By Sami Yusuf

 

[S_87]

i see???

whats it got to do with hijab???

 

[Uthman]

Have you heard the nasheed? Because I have heard a bit of it but not all of it so perhaps hijaab is mentioned in there or something? But anyway, it's just Brother_Mujahid being the usual funny fruitcake that he is. (<-- Standard conclusion)

So back to the topic . . . .

 

[h1jabi_sista]

darn! i got that nasheed in my head now!!!!!

 

[Uthman]

*Ahem* I said back to the topic! *Righteous twin*

 

[WomanOfJihad]

Asalamu alaikum

I personally think that a muslimah should wear hijab when she is 100% ready to despite how long it will take for her to decide. The reason for this is because they need to be sure that once they wear it they wont have any doubts and soon decide to take it off. Also it is recommended that a girl strengthens her faith b4 she starts wearing hijab when it is time to do so. Praying and such will help strengthen the faith.

Sis Charisma ..uve mentioned above that a Muslimah shud wear a hijaab when shes ready no matter how long it takes her to decide , BUt wat if DEATH knoks Our Door before that ? .. it will b too late then.. the muslimah wud have Failed to Obey the Simplest command of Allah swt...
and you hav also mentioned their FAITH needs to be strong in order to start wearing Hijaab ..forgive me sis .. but i dnt agree there ... When u Start wearing Hijab thats when u build up in ur Faith ... n thats when u Realise the Importance of being a mUslimah n thats when a MUslimah cums to know about their duties in Islam ..
this is wat the Majority of the sisters say
" i m not even pious i dnt pray 5 times my imaan is not strong, i comit too many sins how can i wear Hijaab"

but they shud realise ..Once they Adopt Hijaab SubhanAllah their Life will AUTOMATICALLY change ..

Reason i think some musilmahs dont wear it:
1. they arent ready to
2. may live in a dangerous environment so it could be of fear from the people

These are the reasons why the Majority of the Sisters dnt do Hijaab .
The First Reason .
THEY ARENT READY = theres no such thing as Ready.. its Allah swt command they shudnt think TWICE of following the Command.. lok at the examples of the sahabah when a wahi used to b revealed the Sahabahs Immediately at that very second used start actin upon it .. then y is it .. we Question ourselves whether we r ready to obey the commands of Allah swt ? (ALLAHU ALIM)

the SECONd Reason : if its about living in an area where pple are Racist .. n fear they might do Sumfin to YOU .. again thats NOT a good reason Either ..
Not wearing Hijaab due to the fear of KUFFAR ? SUBHANALLAH! thats reallyy NERVE racking for me ... WE shud b Doing MUJAHADAH .. n not be Scared of the Kuffar ..

* ive experienced the Kuffar , but that doesnt mean i STOP obeying the Comands of my Creator JUST coz of this JAHILSSS teasing , swearing making racist coment * (SubhanAllah)

 

[Arwa]

NO, i think she meant fardh as in Obligatory

Yeah I did ;D

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

I thought this post was very interesting.

Your words indeed were harsh, and please do not retaliate to my post with such harshness or I will simply fail to respond.

I think the Hijab is oppresive in a Western Society. This is based on a principle that one should be free to wear the Hijab, I think to say to a muslim in a free society that is trying to move towards multi-cultural that their obedience towards Allah is based on this. As this inevitably brings to bear a pressure to conform.

Our world is one of high technology that has brought about the acceleration of communication, indeed facial communication is of paramount importance.



I think one should care for the Society they happen to live in, for it breeds an opposite effect. Or are you asking non muslim's to accept arrogance from muslims as a point of faith! For I think it is wrong to ask this of society.

The obligatory wearing of the Hijab is only ever made applicable with Islamic States, and not Islamic Republics. of which their are non on this planet.

I apologies for been harsh :-[

You think it’s oppressive for the Muslim women to wear the Hijab in this society? Why? Because she look’s a bit odd? Concealed from the evil of this so-called free society? Bear in mind that this society isn’t free. If this society is free why don't women dare to walk alone in a dark street? Why are cases of sexual harassment reported on the news everyday?

Look at many rapes take place in the West. You see there’s something terribly wrong with today's secular societies, and modesty is greatly needed. The same women who flaunt their so-called "freedom" by displaying their nudity to the world are obviously paying the price for their shameful behavior.

There’s many blessings of wearing the Hijab. If only you understood. In the Qur'an Allah (SWT) says,

"Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and guard their chastity; that is purer for them. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to make a display of their beauty except what is apparent, and let them cast a cover over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women...or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex... And turn to Allah (God) altogether, O believers, in order that you might succeed." [Qur'an 24: 30-31]

The Qur'an is very clear that hijab is essential for modesty, but why is modesty important? The Qur'an continues to shine:

"O Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): That is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." [Qur'an 33:59]

Modesty is prescribed to protect the Muslim women from molestation . Unlike Christianity, it is not a sign of woman's subjection to man. Unlike the veil in Jewish tradition, it is not a sign of luxury and distinction of noble married women. Islam is the only religion in which hijab is meant to honor women and protect them from the lowly and inferior status of a mere sexual object. In fact, the Qur'an is so concerned about women that a man who falsely accuses a woman's chastity will be severely punished:

"And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations)-Flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: For such men are wicked transgressors." [Qur'an 24:4]

 

[root]

You think it’s oppressive for the Muslim women to wear the Hijab in this society?

No, I think the mandatory wearing of the Hijab is oppresive. Free will dictates that a women is free to wear the Hijab if she so feels. My point is that this can be used to force people to comply with a doubtful set of guidelines. "Your not a true Muslim unless you wear it" - situation......

Why?

because the choice as to wear the Hijab or not should be a free decision by the person wearing it.

Look at many rapes take place in the West.

Yes, look at the rapes in the West for they are actually recorded under law & includes the raping of a wife!!! Do you really think covering up a woman "totally" puts an end to rape?

The same women who flaunt their so-called "freedom" by displaying their nudity to the world are obviously paying the price for their shameful behavior.

Read your words again? your misrepresenting what your saying to support your case. How does the non wearing of the Hijab become "Shameful Behaviour"

Bear in mind that this society isn’t free. If this society is free why don't women dare to walk alone in a dark street? Why are cases of sexual harassment reported on the news everyday?

Your deluding yourself if you beleive that!

I really don't want to talk about "dark Streets" & "Evil" of the western free society. I have walked down Shahrah-e-Faisal many times, I have walked in those shoes. I know the difference...............

Do you?

Regards

Root

Hash

After you have had your great & free education in this country and considering you hate it so much I sure hope you leave this place of Evil that you dislike so much.

 

[Uthman]

Ameen.

 

[*charisma*]

Asalamu aliakum

Sis Charisma ..uve mentioned above that a Muslimah shud wear a hijaab when shes ready no matter how long it takes her to decide , BUt wat if DEATH knoks Our Door before that ? .. it will b too late then.. the muslimah wud have Failed to Obey the Simplest command of Allah swt...

When death knocks on her door she will first be questioned about her prayers, if her faith isnt strong enough then she must not be praying regularly and if shes not praying regularly and having a good strong faith how do u expect her to wear hijab? When her faith is strong enough to pray then i beleive it should be strong enough for her to wear hijab as well. I also would like to add that its not was not orderdered by Allah for a girl to wait until she is 100% ready to wear hijab, but that was strictly my oppinion. Why should someone wear a hijab not feel right about it, or feel that they are week in the eyes of society, take it off and then decide to come back to it and take it off again? why not just put it on for good after strengthening ur iman so that u can lead a good example for others?

and you hav also mentioned their FAITH needs to be strong in order to start wearing Hijaab ..forgive me sis .. but i dnt agree there ... When u Start wearing Hijab thats when u build up in ur Faith ... n thats when u Realise the Importance of being a mUslimah n thats when a MUslimah cums to know about their duties in Islam .. but they shud realise ..Once they Adopt Hijaab SubhanAllah their Life will AUTOMATICALLY change ..

i never said her faith needs to be strong i said it is recommended to be strong as for it will help her carry out her role as a muslimah.
when a muslimah with a weak iman decides to wear hijab she does think about how her life will change for the better, but she thinks about how it might change for the worse, such as being treatened, hurt, ect. One with a strong iman doesnt need to think twice about whether she should wear it or not because she knows both the good and bad that will come out of it, yet either way it wont bother her for she will KNOW that it was Allah's command.

These are the reasons why the Majority of the Sisters dnt do Hijaab .
The First Reason .
THEY ARENT READY = theres no such thing as Ready.. its Allah swt command they shudnt think TWICE of following the Command.. lok at the examples of the sahabah when a wahi used to b revealed the Sahabahs Immediately at that very second used start actin upon it .. then y is it .. we Question ourselves whether we r ready to obey the commands of Allah swt ? (ALLAHU ALIM)

the SECONd Reason : if its about living in an area where pple are Racist .. n fear they might do Sumfin to YOU .. again thats NOT a good reason Either ..
Not wearing Hijaab due to the fear of KUFFAR ? SUBHANALLAH! thats reallyy NERVE racking for me ... WE shud b Doing MUJAHADAH .. n not be Scared of the Kuffar ..

* ive experienced the Kuffar , but that doesnt mean i STOP obeying the Comands of my Creator JUST coz of this JAHILSSS teasing , swearing making racist coment * (SubhanAllah)

1st reason- i agree with you
2nd reason- yup i agree with you on that too another reason that a girl needs to strengthen her imaan so that she does not care what others/society thinks of her, but what Allah thinks of her, she shouldnt fear the ppl but Allah, for Allah can only protect. BTW These were simply reasons that i thought were why some girls DONT wear hijab through my perspective not why they shouldnt wear it.


fi aman allah
w'salaam

 

[Brother_Mujahid]

awighty, to find out why someone a muslimah is not wearing hijab all you have to do is go back to the root of the problem.........

which simply is the upbringing of the child. if a child has parents who have shown taught a young muslimah about the importance of hijab then the child will automatically wear the hijab. so from a young age the young muslimah will obey her parents and Allah.

the next obstacle is when this young muslimah goes school college. the temptations of being 'like everyone else' arises. But with a good upbringing the child will choose friends she fits in with and is comfortable with and hopefully will not be affected by peer pressure to not want to wear hijab.

so next time you see a hijabi wearing hijab but not quite cvering herself properly, try not to be judgemental. It is still a step closer to improving oneself inshallah

wasalam :shade:

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

No, I think the mandatory wearing of the Hijab is oppresive. Free will dictates that a women is free to wear the Hijab if she so feels. My point is that this can be used to force people to comply with a doubtful set of guidelines. "Your not a true Muslim unless you wear it" - situation......



because the choice as to wear the Hijab or not should be a free decision by the person wearing it.



Yes, look at the rapes in the West for they are actually recorded under law & includes the raping of a wife!!! Do you really think covering up a woman "totally" puts an end to rape?



Read your words again? your misrepresenting what your saying to support your case. How does the non wearing of the Hijab become "Shameful Behaviour"



Your deluding yourself if you beleive that!

I really don't want to talk about "dark Streets" & "Evil" of the western free society. I have walked down Shahrah-e-Faisal many times, I have walked in those shoes. I know the difference...............

Do you?

Regards

Root

Hash

After you have had your great & free education in this country and considering you hate it so much I sure hope you leave this place of Evil that you dislike so much.

Root wearing the Hijab is a command from Allah (God) to the women, understand that first. Whether she wears’s it or not is her free choose. As Allah has given her an intellect to know what is right from wrong. But if she doesn’t wear it then she is sinning.

Why must she wear it? I told you before; it’s a command from Allah. The creator knows what is best for His creation. Islam means submission and surrender to the laws of Allah. Meaning what? Meaning that if you truly believe that Islam is the truth then you submit yourself to Allah. You do everything that He is pleased with and you keep away from everything that is displeasing to Him. You do everything that He commands you and you keep away from everything He orders you to keep away from.

Lets not forget that the Hijab is not just a veil or a piece of sheet that a women conceals herself but it also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

6. Example of twin sisters
Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijaab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.

7. Capital punishment for the rapists
Under the Islamic shariah, a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why should there be double standards?

8. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women
Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.

9. USA has one of the highest rates of rape
United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape in any country in the world. According to a FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.
Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijaab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijaab, that is the complete body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?

10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes
Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.

 

[Sheikh Haroon]

Peace Root.

My point is that this can be used to force people to comply with a doubtful set of guidelines.

A doubtful set of guidelines? How so are the rules of Islam doubtful? The beauty of the woman is not hers when it has been shared by every guy on the street, nor when it has been used by every guy in his dreams. That is not beauty, that is blasphemy. Blasphemy of the natural human instincts. Take for example, nakedness. If you were to be stripped down to your skin and made to walk on the street, how self conscious would you be? Now, the more you do it, and the more you see others do it, the less you will begin to notice, and eventually the shame will have left you. Such is the nature of these "doubtful" guidelines. They are made to compliment, not contradict, the nature of mankind. As a side point, i have yet to see any decent moral law in anti-Islamic societies, which truly liberate women.

because the choice as to wear the Hijab or not should be a free decision by the person wearing it.

Just as the choice of wearing any clothes at all should be a free decision by the person wearing it, no? Im sure you scoff at that, for there are some rules which are moral, and some which arent. If you attain sexual pleasure from viewing women revealing themselves, then i can see your stand, but other than that, you cannot deny that Islam offers (notice i say offers, not forces) them the best protection than any other legal scheme on the face of the earth.

Yes, look at the rapes in the West for they are actually recorded under law & includes the raping of a wife!!! Do you really think covering up a woman "totally" puts an end to rape?

No one ever claimed that society was free of evil people. What Islam says is not to give incentives to lustful vulgarities, nor leave any doors open. The rapes of Muslim women tend to be for 2 reasons. 1) As an insult to the religion, and to the hijaab itself. 2) As a result of the woman revealing herself, or sexually enticing the rapist.

Perhaps you might like to know that 2 out of every 3 women in the west are sexually harrassed in their life time. I would like to know whether those 2 out of 3 werent showing off their backsides to merit what they got. You reap the reward of the seeds that you sow. You sow the seeds of vulgar, abhorent, indecent actions, and you reap nothing less than vulgar, abhorent and indecent actions right back in your face. Well deserved.

Read your words again? your misrepresenting what your saying to support your case. How does the non wearing of the Hijab become "Shameful Behaviour"

Once again, root, you show your ignorance of the concept of hijaab. Hijaab doesnt mean long, black, traditional Arab dress. It consists of modest covering. Therefore if you are not dressed in modest covering (hijaab) you are dressing shamefully.

I have walked down Shahrah-e-Faisal many times, I have walked in those shoes. I know the difference............... Do you?

Care to enlighten us?

Regards

 

[root]

A doubtful set of guidelines? How so are the rules of Islam doubtful?

Because they are based on "Interpretation".

The beauty of the woman is not hers when it has been shared by every guy on the street, nor when it has been used by every guy in his dreams. That is not beauty,

reminds me of the paradox, "Because I ain't sayin it don't mean I ain't thinkin it.

that is blasphemy. Blasphemy of the natural human instincts.

Blasphemy is not a "Natural" human instinct. It is "Extelligence" and so follows it is also manipulative. Their is nothing natural about blasphemy.

Take for example, nakedness. If you were to be stripped down to your skin and made to walk on the street, how self conscious would you be? Now, the more you do it, and the more you see others do it, the less you will begin to notice, and eventually the shame will have left you. Such is the nature of these "doubtful" guidelines.

I understand your point. But this is Extelligence you are referring to.

They are made to compliment, not contradict, the nature of mankind. As a side point, i have yet to see any decent moral law in anti-Islamic societies, which truly liberate women.

I have yet to see an Islamic State do a better job, given recent history such as the Taliban who were not exactly a good example of an Islamic state of which their are no Islamic states, they fail. (I wonder why)!!

Perhaps you might like to know that 2 out of every 3 women in the west are sexually harrassed in their life time. I would like to know whether those 2 out of 3 werent showing off their backsides to merit what they got. You reap the reward of the seeds that you sow. You sow the seeds of vulgar, abhorent, indecent actions, and you reap nothing less than vulgar, abhorent and indecent actions right back in your face. Well deserved.

I wonder if we may compare your figures to that of the Islamic world? Let us take Afghanistan or Pakistan for example. Can you publish the "Rape & Sexual abuse" statistics so we may compare them to the West and also please indicate wether your figures include the Rape of women by their Husbands.

I was in an "Islamic Republic". I found the sexual abuse of women to be so blatantly bad that in my opinion the "West" is surely a safe haven for women. I speak of personal experience and can state that I witnessed sexual abuse of the highest order. I know Islam likes to attack the "West's" record and that is because they have the records to go by.

The saying that springs to mind is bring your own house into order before you criticise others. Does Islam protect women, of course it don't. But still the perpetrators of the sexual abuse went to the Mosque and preyed.

 

[root]

10. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes
Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breathe easier. Hijaab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.

This reminds me of a female Iranian minister for her response on how to stop prostitution.

"We should make it punishable by death, kill a few of them and that will be the end of the matter once and for all"

Islamic Shariah will never be adopted in the West or the US. And I for one am very pleased our own laws forbid these types of laws being passed on us.

 

[Khattab]

Root I dont know what "Islamic Republic" you where in, but there is not a single true one living by the full sharia. Does Islam protect women? No it doesnt? I dont know how you could say Islam doesnt protect women, its a kind of ignorant statement, of course rapes happen, and it is a fact it is worse in Western countires than in Islamic countries, i think you may have been out in Pakistan and in that area of asia along with India a non muslim country it is more to do with cultural reasons rather than religious, why women are treated the way they are.

Are raped women punished in Islam? Here is an answer to the question

http://www.islamonline.net/askaboutislam/display.asp?hquestionID=2681


Also why is a nun who covers up seen as holy and following God but when a muslim women wears a hijab she as seen as oppressed and backwards? Double standards no?