Is Iran the next target?

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You know what? You've just convinced me. I'm running for President of the US. As my first act of duty I propose we pull out of Iraq and leave nothing but a crater. I would then decree that upon the next attack on US soil by muslims would be followed my a mushroom cloud over Medina. Any attacks after that would be Mecca, Samaria, Damascus...

You know I think I'm becoming pyschic - I forsee....a very short stay at LI.

Medina? Really? Samaria is presumably where the Samaritans come from (i.e. the West Bank). Do you mean Samara which is a town in Iraq which used to be the capital of the Abbasid Empire and where some Shia religious site is located? Why? Damascus I can see.

I think we can all do with a lot less threats to murder innocent people. Not just from the kafir side either. Syrians under five have done nothing. Nor have Saudi children. Let's not talk about turning their homeland to glass.
 
I meant Samara. I'm working under the damned if you do damned if you don't mind set now. No matter what care we take to avoid civilian casualties, no matter what our intentions are we are still considered evil. I'm tired of trying of convincing people.
 
I meant Samara. I'm working under the damned if you do damned if you don't mind set now. No matter what care we take to avoid civilian casualties, no matter what our intentions are we are still considered evil. I'm tired of trying of convincing people.

I know the feeling. Just remember: you're a kafir. Everything you do is wrong and everything wrong is your fault.

Like being engaged actually.

But don't let it get you down. Go and read the article I posted yesterday from the Gulf News on blaming the Americans.
 
You don't have to hit the nuclear sites. You destroy infrastructure. You hit power grides. You can't run a reactor with no electricity. You hit oil refineries. You hit supply depots. There 's ways of stopping Iran.

its not that simple

to stop the nuclear activity u need to stop the nuclear reactor

Iran is well planned for this, and i do think that there are generators in every facility

hitting infrastructure is simply an OPEN war against Iran...this will cause a new world war no doubt

whenu hit infrastructure, u better expect a response from the Iranian military
 
its not that simple

to stop the nuclear activity u need to stop the nuclear reactor

Well sensible people shut nuclear reactors down once there is even a risk someone might shoot it up. Not that the reactors are a problem. Iran has a couple of Russian-designed Light Water reactors which use slightly enriched fuel. They do not pose a proliferation risk.

Iran is well planned for this, and i do think that there are generators in every facility

What America may have trouble hitting is the nuclear enrichment plants. Iran has, I gather, bought centrifuges from Pakistan which stole the technology from Belgium. These are safe things to bomb because they are not in any way radioactive. They are also hugely power-hungry. You could not build a generator large enough to run a full-scale plant without someone noticing. I assume that Iran has, or will, try to excavate tunnels and bury their plants, but even so the power lines would be vunerable.

hitting infrastructure is simply an OPEN war against Iran...this will cause a new world war no doubt

Well there is a lot of doubt as it happens. Iran could not more threaten the US than Belgium could. Actually Belgium is more of a threat. At best Iran might be able to invade Iraq. Compared to the Soviet Union, or Germany, or even Japan and Italy, Iran is no threat to anyone but its neighbors.

whenu hit infrastructure, u better expect a response from the Iranian military

Which, at best, would consist of some terrorism and some disruption of the oil routes. America can survive both.
 
Well sensible people shut nuclear reactors down once there is even a risk someone might shoot it up. Not that the reactors are a problem. Iran has a couple of Russian-designed Light Water reactors which use slightly enriched fuel. They do not pose a proliferation risk.

I agree with your statement but I am afraid Ahmadenijad fancies himself such a populist hero that, in the imminence of a "decomissioning strike" on radioactive sites/reactors, he would not shut anything down. His rhetoric in the past 6 months has been based upon a textbook nationalism-cum-"for the glory of our people, Iran", the extension of which would have him win the ultimate victim status if said attacks polluted his fatherland with clouds of radioactivity... "see what they did? Those American terrorists..." You get the idea.

What America may have trouble hitting is the nuclear enrichment plants. Iran has, I gather, bought centrifuges from Pakistan which stole the technology from Belgium. These are safe things to bomb because they are not in any way radioactive. They are also hugely power-hungry. You could not build a generator large enough to run a full-scale plant without someone noticing. I assume that Iran has, or will, try to excavate tunnels and bury their plants, but even so the power lines would be vunerable.

Although he has an axe to grind the size of Paul Bunyan's, Sy Hersch's news breaking piece in today's New Yorker confirms what you say here about the underground facilities. From hazy memory, I believe he asserts the existence of an underground facility boasting floor space/power capability to run 50,000 (yes, 50 thousand!) enrichment centrifuges. Buried some 75 feet in the ground, and protected by massive 4' to 8' thick ceilings, this seems to be the technical reason for US "mention" of employing Tactical Nukes. And I am sure the Iranians are busy digging as I write. The question your point raises is "how many of these things are there, and where?".

Well there is a lot of doubt as it happens. Iran could not more threaten the US than Belgium could. Actually Belgium is more of a threat. At best Iran might be able to invade Iraq. Compared to the Soviet Union, or Germany, or even Japan and Italy, Iran is no threat to anyone but its neighbors.

I agree that Iran couldn't directly threaten the USA on its own soil (but actually, a somewhat paranoid case could be made of the length of Iran's reach via the strong arm of Hezbollah et al...worth considering at least). But it is US interests which are mainly the consideration here. I have written in another thread of Iran's threat in/to the Middle East in recent history. This is not to be taken lightly. With growing sectarian violence, border transcending terrorism/insurgency/banditry, this is very much more a problem of the middle east than anyone else's, which makes it a global problem seeing at to the extent to which the world economy runs off of the availability of ME crude.

And a further consideration I am too dumb to speculate upon: What does a nuclear Iran do to certain "balances of power"? What does this scenario do to the Pakistan/India arms race? Saudi Arabia has expressed keen interest in, if not advanced efforts to, develop its own capability to offset an Iranian nuke capability. And Israel? And Egypt? And UAE?
 
Iran is already built the bomb, Iraq invasion was illegal...Now Iran is joining the nuclear club. How dumb is bush invasion on Iraq? now he faces the real wmd theory.
 
Iran is already built the bomb
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No they haven't. Do you actually read the news? They began enriching uranium, a small amount at that, and from that point to a bomb is a lot of engineering (and UN nose-thumbing). PLease stop spreading false information.


Iraq invasion was illegal
Anytime you wish to outline a prosecutable case against USA/UK, I will be happy to read it. With all of the Blair/Bush haters so rabidly circling their prey, why would they not bring suit if the war was so unambiguously illegal?
I've said it 50 times on this board: Either prove that the war was illegal or stop calling it such!

...Now Iran is joining the nuclear club.
See above. You really don't read well, do you?

How dumb is bush invasion on Iraq?
Now, this point is debatable, although you have merely stated your opinion without any argument. Why is...so dumb?

now he faces the real wmd theory.

See above.
 
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No they haven't. Do you actually read the news? They began enriching uranium, a small amount at that, and from that point to a bomb is a lot of engineering (and UN nose-thumbing). PLease stop spreading false information.



Anytime you wish to outline a prosecutable case against USA/UK, I will be happy to read it. With all of the Blair/Bush haters so rabidly circling their prey, why would they not bring suit if the war was so unambiguously illegal?
I've said it 50 times on this board: Either prove that the war was illegal or stop calling it such!


See above. You really don't read well, do you?


Now, this point is debatable, although you have merely stated your opinion without any argument. Why is...so dumb?



See above.

I am u.s citizen, i know bush well better than you. I dont hate u.s or u.k, i love america. Bush policy in u.s is awful, health insurance ,katrina and ect. This president was idiot to invade iraq, why? he naver show any evidance of wmd after the war. Did they found it? Look at Iraq now, civil war is underway, they cant even form government. American soldiers are dieng in Iraq becouse of this illegal war, innocent iraqis are dying. Libby leaked the case now, Bush is in trouble. You just can't believe what this guy always praise on iraq war. Alot of American share my view and they know the truth about bush. If future war is lounch, the draft will comeback like in vietnam days in the 60's, i know i will be drafted. The congress already discussed on draft 2 years ago, they did not approve it.
 
Greetings and peace Knut Hamsun;

I've said it 50 times on this board: Either prove that the war was illegal or stop calling it such!
You are leaving a small dilemma for yourself, if the war is not illegal it must be legal, but can you prove that the war was legal?

In the spirit of seeking peace on Earth

Eric
 
Iran is already built the bomb, Iraq invasion was illegal...Now Iran is joining the nuclear club. How dumb is bush invasion on Iraq? now he faces the real wmd theory.

Well Iran was building the bomb a long time before the Iraq invasion. There is still no reason to think the Iraq invasion was illegal. Iran has a lot more to do before it joins the nuclear club.
 
Greetings and peace Knut Hamsun;


You are leaving a small dilemma for yourself, if the war is not illegal it must be legal, but can you prove that the war was legal?

In the spirit of seeking peace on Earth

Eric

I see no dilemma at all; I only challange those who robotically chant the mantra "that illegal war" when I have yet to hear anyone's convincing arguments supporting such a claim. Prove it is "illegal" or stop calling it what it "legally" can't be defined as. That is all I am asking.
 

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