Is Islam a continuation of Christianity?

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aishaa,
hope you read my post (#27) which answered the question that you asked at the beginning of the thread.
i have found this a useful site, where you can learn a lot about islam and muhammad.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/
 
There is parts of the Bible where Jesus encouraged the use of a sword.
 
Aisha, I'd just like to say sorry on behalf of LI Forum in regards to any hostility you faced here...

I understood where you are coming from... and you're only trying to learn about Islam. No one should be criticised for questioning... If you don't question, how will you learn... please continue your search.

I want you to know that there is no compulsion in the religion of Islam (2.256) If you decide to revert to Islam, do not do it for anyone but yourself.

We do have members that are more sensitive than others... so please state your questions carefully, as it may be difficult to determine your intent from text.

Again, we're sorry for making you feel uncomfortable or unwelcome...

Peace be to you.
 
It is true that I have sought information from where I can.. and yes I have copied and pasted questions.. only because I would like to hear the answers to them for myself.
And the answers HAVE been provided IN GREAT DETAIL, yet you ignore them and continue to paste more allegations all the while complaining about the so-called 'hostility' that you're facing here. I think we need a brief re-cap of the 'discussion'...

You asked a question in the title of the thread, "Is Islam a continuation of Christianity?" You were answered clearly and plainly that it was not. That was the last we heard of what is allegedly the topic of this thread. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that Islamic punishments are brutal and you were referred to a detailed and definitive refutation to that allegation here. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that women are financially worse off then men, when the reality - as was mentioned to you - is that women have greater financial rights than their husbands who have increased financial obligations. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that the teachings of Prophet Muhammad pbuh were written years after his death and you were soundly rebuked and informed that he actually had as many as 60 scribes writing for him during his lifetime. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that the 'testimonies of Aisha' were rejected because she was a woman and this was shown to be a blatant LIE as Aisha rd not only was an accepted hadîth narrator but one of THE MOST PROLIFIC NARRATORS having narrated at TWO THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND TEN Ahâdith!! You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had a low opinion of women, a claim which was DEMOLISHED in light of almost FIFTY explicit quotations from the mouth of the Prophet himself, which showed the lofty status of women in Islam and the tremendous honor Islam has bestowed upon women. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that Prophet Muhammad pbuh married a child, which was DEBUNKED when you were referred to an IN-DEPTH discussion on the Marriage of Aisha which proved her post-pubescence and annihilated any claims of immorality and abuse. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that Prophet Muhammad pbuh did not perform any miraculous healing, a claim which was SHATTERED when you were confronted with NUMEROUS CASES of the Prophet miraculosuly healing, by God's permission, severe injuries instantaneously. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that the Prophet Muhammad pbuh's marriage to Safiyyah was of an abusive coercive nature, whereas the reality was that he honored her and preserved her dignity, which was explained to you here. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that the Qur'an commands killing the unbelievers and smiting their necks and you MISQUOTED verse 47:4; your deceptive tactics were EXPOSED when you were confroned with a complete detailed REFUTATION. You failed to comment on the response provided.

You made the CLAIM that Muslims are trained in schools to be suicide bombers, which was REVEALED TO BE A LUDICROUS ASSERTION in light of the explicit and unanimous condemnation of violence and terror on the part of leading Muslim scholars worldwide. You failed to comment on the response provided.

Lastly, you made the CLAIM that the Qur'an was wrong and self-contradictory on the basis of the most LOGICALLY INCOHERENT arguments, which was EXPOSED with a complete article that had been written demolishing the exact same allegation. You failed to comment on the response provided.

A quick review of the past discussion finds your posts to be utterly lacking in any attempt for respectful dialogue but rather riddled with erroneous claims and basless attacks against Islam and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Furthermore, when your allegations are refuted and your claims challenged you run from debate, ignore the refutations completely, failing to acknowlege the responses provided and instead throw more attacks on the Prophet pbuh and Islam and complain that you've been met with 'hostility'. If it is too much for you to have your hateful myths about Islam challenged, then perhaps intellectual debate is not suitable for you

When I ask questions that does not praise Mohammed to the highest.. I am slammed as an anti islamist,
You still fail to realize that you are not asking questions. You are not asking, "What was Muhammad's view on women? Can anyone back it up with direct quotes?" Instead you are making the ALLEGATION that Prophet Muhammad pbuh had a low opinion of women, an allegation which was soundly refuted and dismissed through direct quotations from the Prophet himself. Instead of responding to the refutations provided you start bawling about hostility which is ironic considering how clearly you have manifested your hostility towards Islam and Prophet Muhammad pbuh. If you can't handle criticism of your anti-islamic claims and bigoted mentality then as I said before, intellectual debate is not for you.
I have not been unkind or called anyone names..
Actually you have openly slandered the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and displayed manifest hostility and bigotry towards Islamic teachings. Don't even think about starting on manners; your etiquettes of learning from people about their religion are appalling.
but I havent been unkind or slung mud at anyone.
Except for Islam, the Prophet, the Qur'an and the Muslim community, only a few dozen times.
I am feeling that I am being slammed for even asking them.. even if they are questions pasted that have been asked before.. or of my own ..does it matter which?
A genuine interest to learn would be evident in the tone of the post. Saying that Islam is brutal, and that Muhammad pbuh was misogynistic reeks of bigotry and hatred, rather than a sincere desire to learn the truth about Islam and Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Dont read anything about Mohammeds life as a man only as a prophet.. because people dont like hearing it
Actually I strongly encourage you to read the 800 page biography of the Prophet entitled "Muhammad: Man and Prophet" written by Adil Salahi. That is only if you are sincelrey interested in learning though.
Learning (or trying to) about Islam has been so difficult because people dont want to discuss Mohammeds life..
We don't want to discuss Muhammad's life?! That's why we've been providing in-depth refutations of your baseless claims, quoting directly from his own words!
Learning (or trying to) about Islam has been so difficult because people dont want to discuss Mohammeds life.. the way he was with women..
We don't want to discuss the way he was with women?! That's why we provided you with almost 50 narrations quoting his own words! You seem to have a short memory so let me remind you:
Women in the Sunnah

There is certainly no shortage of statements from the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) which honor women and promote their rights, beginning with the explicit mandate:
'I command you to be kind to women.' (Sahîh Bukhârî).

He often described a man's treatment of women to be reflective of his own nobility or worth.
The Prophet said: 'None but a noble man treats women in an honorable manner. And none but an ignoble treats women disgracefully' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

The Prophet said: 'The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and the best of you are those who are best to their wives.' (Musnad Ahmad)

The Prophet said: 'The most perfect of the believers in faith are the best of them in moral excellence, and the best of you are the kindest to their wives. (Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

Muslims are commanded to always follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). In light of this, the Prophet said: 'The best of you is the one who is best to his wife. I am the best of you to his wife and I'm the best to my wife.' (Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Sunan Ad-Dârimî, Sahîh Ibn Hibbân)


There is no one who could describe better about how the Prophet (peace be upon) was with his wives, then the latter themselves.
A'isha, the wife of the Prophet, was asked, "What did the Prophet used to do at home?" She answered, "he kept himself busy helping the members of his household, and when the time for prayer came, he would go out for the prayer". (Sahîh Bukhârî). The Prophet Muhammad participated in the household chores and helped his wives. "He would attend to his clothes, milk his sheep and serve himself." (Musnad Ahmad)

The Prophet advised one of his companions, Abdullah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'Aas, who used to fast all day and pray all night: 'Do not do that. Fast and break your fast, pray qiyaam and sleep, for your body has a right over you, your eyes have a right over you, your wife has a right over you and your visitors have a right over you.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)

The Prophet censured those who quarreled with their wives, describing them as being driven by the most evil of devils:

"Iblîs (Satan) sets up his throne on water, then he sends out his armies of devils (to incite humans to do evil). The closest to him of these troops are the ones who cause the most tribulation. One devil comes and says, 'I have done such and such.' Iblîs says, 'You have not done enough.' Then another one comes and says, 'I never left him alone until I created trouble and caused division between him and his wife.' Then Iblîs comes close to this devil and says, 'How excellent you are!' " (Sahîh Muslim)

Likewise, the Prophet denounced those men who were unfaithful regarding their wives' secrets:

'Verily among the most evil of people with Allah in ranking on the Day of Resurrection is a man who goes to his wife and whose wife goes to him, and then he spreads her secrets.' (Sahîh Muslim, Musnad Ahmad, Sunan Abû Dawûd)

Prophet Muhammad forbade hostility towards one's wife: 'The believer should not harbor hatred towards his wife. If he dislikes something in her, then surely he will be pleased with another quality in her.' (Sahîh Muslim)

Instead, he encouraged both men and women to be patient with their spouses: 'If any man shows patience with his wife's bad temper, Allah will give him a reward similar to the reward of Ayyub for his patience, and if any woman shows patience with her husband's bad temper, Allah will give her a reward similar to the reward of Asiyah daughter of Muzahim, the wife of Pharoah (Cf. Qur'an 66:11).' (Al-Kabâ'ir of Adh-Dhahabî)

The Prophet encouraged couples to enjoy time together: 'All activities of a man in which there is no mention of God are frivolity, except for four things: A man enjoying time with his wife, training his horse, walking between two purposeful goals, and teaching another man to swim.' (Sunan An-Nasâ'î, Mu'jam At-Tabarânî)

He spoke of the mutual rights of men and women on many occasions: 'Consult with women. Indeed, you have some rights over your women and they have some rights over you. It is their right on you that you provide for their food and clothing generously, and your right on them is that they do not let anyone whom you dislike in the house, walking upon your floor. (Sunan Ibn Mâjah, Sunan At-Tirmidhî)

And he said concerning the virtuous woman:
'The life of this world is bountiful, and the best of bounties is the righteous woman.' (Sahîh Muslim)

Perhaps the clearest example of Islam's honoring of women is in its directives for man to be dutiful to his mother. The Prophet said in a famous narration: 'Paradise lies at the feet of your mother' (Musnad Ahmad, Sunan An-Nasâ’i, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)

Scholars have proven the preference of the mother over the father from the following narration:
A man came to Prophet Muhammad asking “ O Messenger of God, who among the people is the most worthy of my good company?” The Prophet said “Your mother”. The man said “then who else?” The Prophet said “Your mother”. The man asked, “then who else?” The Prophet replied “Your mother” When the man asked for the fourth time, only then did the Prophet say, “Your father” ( Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)

The Prophet did not stop at commanding kindness to wives and honoring one's mother. He continually singled out daughters when emphasizing the good treatment of one's children. The Prophet said: 'Anyone who cares for three daughter, gives them a good upbringing, marries them to good husbands and treats them well, they will enter paradise. The companions asked, "What about two daughters?" He said, "Even two daughters". They asked what about one daughter? He said "even one". (Sunan Abi Dawûd, Musnad Ahmad, Mustadarak Al-Hâkim). It is significant that in the above narration, the Prophet has promised nothing short of paradise to the believer on account of good treatment to women. Can there be any weightier statement in favor of women?

The Prophet explictly forbade any gender bias towards one's children, though it was prevalent in pre-islamic arabian culture. The Prophet said: 'Whoever has a daughter born to him, and he did not prefer his son over him, Allah will admit him to Paradise because of her.' (Mustadarak Al-Hâkim)

The Prophet also extended honorable treatment to include one's sisters in addition to daughters: 'There is no one who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he treats them well, but Allah will admit him/her to Paradise.' (Al-Adab Al-Mufrad of Bukhârî)

The Prophet said: 'There is no one among my ummah who has three daughters, or three sisters, and he supports them until they are grown up, but he will be with me in Paradise like this – and he held up his index and middle fingers together.' (Mu'jam At-Tabarânî)

Thus, the Prophet not only made virtuous treatment of women a path to paradise, but he said it would bring one close to the Prophet himself in paradise.

In another narration, the Prophet Muhammad said that a believing woman's sacrifice for he daughters was a cause for her entrance to paradise. A'isha, the wife of the Prophet (peace be upon him), said: 'A poor woman came to me carrying her two daughters. I gave her three dates to eat. She gave each child a date, and raised the third to her own mouth to eat it. Her daughters asked her to give it to them, so she split the date that she had wanted to eat between them. I was impressed by what she had done, and told the Messenger of Allah about it. He said, “Allah has decreed Paradise for her because of it”.' (Sahîh Muslim)

At a time when a woman was valued only for material benefits or superficial qualities, the Prophet Muhammad taught his companions to value women for their piety. The Prophet said: 'A woman is married for four reasons: for her property, her status, her beauty, and her religion; so marry one who is religious, may you be blessed.' (Sahîh Bukhârî)

The Prophet also said: 'Whoever Allah has blessed with a virtuous woman has been helped with half of his religion. So let him be mindful of God concerning the remaining half.' (Mu'jam At-Tabarânî, Mustadarak Al-Hâkim)

He also upheld women's right in choosing their spouse, as seen in the following narration:
Al-Khansaa’ bint Khidaam complained to the Prophet that her father wanted her to marry someone she didn’t want, saying “I do not wish to accept what my father has arranged.” The Prophet said, “Then this marriage is invalid, go and marry whomever you wish.” Al-Khansaa’ said, “I have actually accepted what my father has arranged, but I wanted women to know that fathers have no right in their daughter’s matters” (i.e. they have no right to force a marriage on them). (Fath Al-Barî Ibn Hajr, Sunan Ibn Mâjah)

The Prophet said: 'Assuredly, women are the twin halves of men.' (Sunan Abî Dawûd, Sunan At-Tirmidhî, Musnad Ahmad).

In light of the numerous teachings honoring women, it would be no exaggeration to say that the greatest advocate of women's rights was none other than the Prophet Muhammad himself, peace be upon him.

the money he made called Booty at that time..
The money he made?! Let me bring you up to speed with what the Prophet's life was like!! The Prophet Muhammad pbuh lived his life abstaining from the pleasures of this world, living in material poverty!
Narrated 'Aisha: The family of Muhammad had never eaten their fill of wheat bread for three successive days since they had migrated to Medina till the death of the Prophet. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 461)



Narrated 'Aisha: The family of Muhammad did not eat two meals on one day, but one of the two was of dates. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 462)



Narrated 'Aisha: The bed mattress of the Prophet was made of a leather case stuffed with palm fibres. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 463)



Narrated Qatada: We used to go to Anas bin Malik and see his baker standing (preparing the bread). Anas said, "Eat. I have not known that the Prophet ever saw a thin well-baked loaf of bread till he died, and he never saw a roasted sheep with his eyes." (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 464)



Narrated 'Aisha: A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cooking), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat. (Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465)
The Prophet pbuh even taught his followers, 'Wealth does not come from having great riches; (true) wealth is contentment of the soul.' (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim)

Is it that Muslims put thier heads in the sand about who he was.. or do they just not like hearing it? Or didnt it happen at all?
Your living in denial. We've heard your claims, analyzed them and refuted them in great detail. You have completely ignored the responses. It seems like YOU are the one who doesn't like hearing your bigoted ideas challenged.

I've answered in detail all your claims and have left no question in your posts unanswered, no allegation standing. It's time for you to come to terms with the reality of the life of the Noble Prophet and leave behind the hateful and twisted mythology of lies you've allowed bigots to spoon-feed you.

Regards
 
Thankyou Digital storm.. your words yes indeed are an encouragement... Can you reccomend any books I can buy about Prophet Mohammeds life that are written objectively as I would like to learn but not from Anti Islamic sites or Pro Islamic sites that may cloud any reality.. (respectfully) Im sure you know what I mean.. I would like to get to know the man warts and all.. and not just peaches and roses stories. Its true that some Christians do exactly that too. I prefer a book as some sites I have been on I have gotten information from I am told are anti Islamic.. its difficult to know when the author has an Arabic name.. you automaticly think that he is a Muslim. Then because I quote from these sites Im told that its anti islamic.. very confusing!!!!
Thankyou for your understanding and Patience Digital storm.. Im not such a bad guy I dont do anything to harm offend deliberately.
I do in fact read the responces.. just because I dont always comment on them doesnt mean I havent read them and I am in fact grateful for all the information that has been offered me so far.
Many many thanks...
 
.. I would like to get to know the man warts and all.. and not just peaches and roses stories. .


Warts and all? "truly faqid Alshy'e la Yo'eteeh"
Yes, Please digital give her the Pat Robertson version of events ... the direct sources from Bukhari with four or five different versions attesting to the same thing from 1400 years ago are dubious, but every secondary source built around that is undoubtedly accurate......
..... Madam I don't care who you are..... or whom you are married to ... us Muslims from all different background don't tolerate callus comments and statements about our prophet..... so either show some respect in your queries or get out.......
 
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"truly faqid Alshy'e la Yo'eteeh"
the one who doesnt have something, doesnt give it to anyone

i hope my translation is correct

i asked u something aishaa and hope to get an answer
The Quran says in sura 96.1 & 96.2 that man was created from a blood clot, but 21.3 & 24.45 says from water,19.67 from nothing, 3.59 & 35.11 from clay, 15.26 from mud and 16.4 & 75.37 says from a thickened liquid. Which part of the Quran is wrong?.
did u really read these verses?

:w:
 
:sl:
the one who doesnt have something, doesnt give it to anyone

i hope my translation is correct:

It is an adage we use in Arabic for someone who lacks a "particular something"... for instance if someone has never received love as a child they can never part with it as an adult.... if someone has never learned to respect or be respected, he/she can never part with respect later on.........
I consider myself pretty tolerant of just about anything.... but lack of reverence is something that just infuriates me.... whether it be to a person's own mother or an elderly person or when addressing another human being on the forum, no matter their creed or conviction... let alone lack of respect to religious consecrates :grumbling :grumbling :grumbling ...... I don't usually dignify such posts when they are in random blogs....and certainly have no intent on doing so on this forum either.......
 
Well, the only site that I know which is not pro-Islam or anti-Islam is wikipedia.

Here ya go.

MOD'S COMMENT: SORRY, THIS SITE ALSO CONTAINS BIAS, JUST LOOK AT THE DISCLAIMER THEY HAVE IN THE ARTICLE:
The neutrality of this section is disputed.
Please see the discussion on the talk page.
Peace.
 
Salaam,

Allah has said it best,whta is worng in the olden book is corrected in the Quran.

The Quran is the CRITERION whereby to judge all other Holy Books.

It is not a continuation but the FINALITY.

The other holy book is like a test paper with no answer,where man can choose what they like the answer to be,the QURAN CONTAIN ALL THE ANSWER...
 
What is wrong with reading the Quran? ... It isn't nearly as good as reading Spencer's book you know a "best seller" from Amazon where she got the "warts and all" along with the thousand other tid bit refuted here. I mean if one is to plagiarize try to play on words a little. Believe it or not the rest of us frequent libraries read and review books. You might save yourself a major embarrassment.
 
Warts and all.. is an English expression.. it means to look at something in total reality not through rose coloured glasses.. I was certainly not suggesting that the Phrophet had Warts!!!! again.. this is an expression only.
I do have respect for the prophet and the religeon and its members.. it is not I who is angry and hostile. If you do not care who I am married to Ambrosia.. then why mention it?
Stranger..
In Cairo where I live mostly with my husband, I have an English version of the Quoran that my husband kindly purchased for me, yes I have read many parts.. but it takes for some a whole life time, for me its only been a few months. He makes me leave the book there as he is worried it may be damaged so unfortunately I do not have it here with me in Portugal.

I was told that Islam is NOT a continuation of Christianity, which I accept if this is correct, so why then is the new testament mentioned in the Quoran, I ask this genuinely as I am interested to know why Jesus and the new testament is mentioned but not to be taken as part of the religeon???
 
I am well aware of what "warts and all means" I am also aware of the "rose tinted glasses" expression, I am also painfully aware of which book this all came from... would gladly provide the link... except I will not only not endorse an anti-islamic book... I will not loan it further credence by attaching its link here...
why do I mention your husband? simple... just utterly surprised that someone who is "married" to a Muslim can know so little or address the "negatives" with such bravado... any Muslim though bound to you through marriage or not would be appalled.... more of a surprise really than an interest in your private affairs!.....
I think you need to compare your question style previousely to your very last post to understand why it is so reprehensible. Although I know that they weren't genuinely your questions as I have reviewd the very book you got it all from.
if you have an honest interest in the religion...... then welcome aboard
otherwise I am not sure where you were/are heading with the barrage of Insults against the messanger and Islam.
peace
 
I was told that Islam is NOT a continuation of Christianity, which I accept if this is correct, so why then is the new testament mentioned in the Quoran, I ask this genuinely as I am interested to know why Jesus and the new testament is mentioned but not to be taken as part of the religeon???

I think this was answered many times already. Islam is not a continuation of modern day christianity. Rather, Islam is the one and same message that Jesus gave to his people! That there is one God etc (i.e. the teachings of Islam). Of course, there would have been differences in terms of the specifics, considering that Jesus had a different law (which, i believe actually, was just re-inforcement of Moses' law, someone correct me if im wrong please) but the general was the same.

Of course Jesus is part of Islam! The problem is, he was a prophet, not God! We believe that the reveletions Jesus got from God were corrupted by people over time and that his original teachings, which where in line with the teachings of Islam, where lost and changed.

So stuff like the trinity- Jesus never said any of that stuff, he never declared himself to be God, rather people falsely attributed this to him later on after he was taken out of this world.

So you see, we believe in Jesus, but we dont believe in what christains falsely attribute to him.
 
:? :? Cheese.. ya know what? I agree with you.. I dont recall anywhere in Jesus´s statements that he said he was God. As far as what I was told as a child growing up in Christianity.. I was taught that he was the SON of God but not God... God was his/our father ...of course there leaves many questions open to why or how he was the son of God.. but Ill leave that to the more intelect of the Christian religeon to answer that one!..
As Jesus is reported to say upon the cross.. "Oh Father why have thee forsaken me?"... surely he couldnt have been talking to himself.
I know that the Muslim religeon says that he did not die upon the cross.. I soppose the main question then is.. We all know how inteligent the Romans were at that time and how they were maticulous in recording every event.. Jesus´s trial and execution was recorded.. and as far as I am aware.. these same documents can be found in the Vatagan to this day... So how did this trial and execution be so carefully recorded if it wasnt him.. and if it wasnt him.. then who was it? and would God allow someone else such torture and execution to befall an innocent bystander?.. questions questions..
 
Jesus preformed miracles didn't he? God is greater than the Romans... when he decrees something to be.... it shall be... the ROmans weren't mightier than the Pharoh yet God drowned him saved Moses and the Israelites.....

as for the person who died on the cross.... lots of different opinions on whom.... some think it was Judas himself.... some believe that it was someone who wanted to be martyred for the cause of God.... I think it is more believable than God foresaking his own son?........
 
:? :? Cheese.. ya know what? I agree with you.. I dont recall anywhere in Jesus´s statements that he said he was God. As far as what I was told as a child growing up in Christianity.. I was taught that he was the SON of God but not God... God was his/our father ...of course there leaves many questions open to why or how he was the son of God.. but Ill leave that to the more intelect of the Christian religeon to answer that one!..
As Jesus is reported to say upon the cross.. "Oh Father why have thee forsaken me?"... surely he couldnt have been talking to himself.

Came someone PLEASE make up their minds! Why do all christians explain this trinity thing differently!!:grumbling How can someone be the son of God and not be a 'god' himself... and why on earth did the son of God have to feel betrayed by god, doesnt he have knowledge of everything like the father god?? or is he a less capable god? a god who is able to make himself born to a virgin but not able to control what his servants (humans!!) and the father god want to do to him?????

As far as i know, christians explain him as the son of god, and that god is in 3 parts and they are part of the one god, thats why they claim to be monothiest, you cant be monothiests if you dont believe that jesus has power or else how can he be one part of the same god???:uuh:

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I know that the Muslim religeon says that he did not die upon the cross.. I soppose the main question then is.. We all know how inteligent the Romans were at that time and how they were maticulous in recording every event.. Jesus´s trial and execution was recorded.. and as far as I am aware.. these same documents can be found in the Vatagan to this day... So how did this trial and execution be so carefully recorded if it wasnt him.. and if it wasnt him.. then who was it? and would God allow someone else such torture and execution to befall an innocent bystander?.. questions questions..

the evidence suggests 2 things, and i dont know which on is more correct, but idea is that god changed the appearance of a man so that he can look like Jesus and that person was crucified.... who the man was is uncertain, some evidences suggests it was one of the evil ppl and god punished him through this, and other evidences suggests that it was a good guy, a supporter of jesus who offered himself for the task and was thus given the ultimate status of martadom for which his reward in paradise with be sooo great that he will wish to be returned to earth do die for the sake of god yet again.

nothing unjust about either case :rollseyes
 
I do see your point one hundred percent.. would God allow his son to be killed?.. but why would God allow any of his messengers prophets to be killed.. they all died horribly one way or another.. John the Baptist was beheaded.. as we are lead to beleive.... Prophet Mohammed was poisoned.. or so we assume..and Jesus was crucified.... I soppose the only thing the Christians hang on to is that very act of Crucifiction,, for without that and his ressurection.. Christianity wouldnt have existed.. I soppose he would have simply been forgotten. I do find it truly fascinating that Jesus and the new testament is in the Quoran,, and I really do wonder in what way are we to take this,, what was prophet Mohammed saying about Jesus? That his teachings were important and a part of Islam ?.. what was his reasons or Gods reasons even for mentioning it? It still poses the original question is Islam a continuation of Christianity.. if in fact Prophet Mohammed recognised the teachings of Jesus.
 
وَمَلآئِكَتِهِ وَكُتُبِهِ وَرُسُلِهِ لاَ نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّن رُّسُلِهِ وَقَالُواْ سَمِعْنَا وَأَطَعْنَا غُفْرَانَكَ رَبَّنَا وَإِلَيْكَ الْمَصِيرُ {285}
[Pickthal 2:285] The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying.


Also from the same chapter.....
اللّهِ لِيَشْتَرُواْ بِهِ ثَمَناً قَلِيلاً فَوَيْلٌ لَّهُم مِّمَّا كَتَبَتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَوَيْلٌ لَّهُمْ مِّمَّا يَكْسِبُونَ {79}
[Pickthal 2:79] Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby.

The Quran is unaltered.... we believe it to be God's word....... all his messangers came with the same message......so we make no distinction between them and we know that revelations were sent to them as well...... what people did with it after wards is an entirely different story.....
 
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