Is Islam a continuation of Christianity?

[جوري]

One religion....... one God!

 

[InToTheRain]

Islam is a continuation of the the religion followed by Adam(AS), Eve/Hawa(AS) and their Progeny.QUOTE]

So what about the religions that existed before Adam and Eve?

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/artifacts/venusfigurines.html

There were other biengs that were created before us, for example the Angels who obey the commands of without question and there were the Jinns who were given freedom of choice. There are opinions amongst scholars that Jinns may have occupied the earth before the creation of Mankind.

Allah(SWT) knows best.

But what you should know is the only way of life acceptable to God is Islam which is the religion of all the prophets from the begining of mankinds existence. This much we as muslims need to know.

 

[Aishaa]

I think that both Muslim and Christian beleive that both religeons had an original basis of Adam and Eve.. There is of course the evolution theory which would if proven rock both Islam and Christianity and a few other religeons too I should think. But how could there be a religeon before man.. after all.. religeon relies on man to carry its word.. whichever the religeon.

 

[Curaezipirid]

One religion....... one God!

In Indian tradtion there are three Vedas which describe three different forms of adherence to belief in One God. These three forms can equitably be perceived as corresponding to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. But what is able to be observed is that the progessive work of Religious men in the Middle East which accords that each is an higher form of belief than the previous; is oddly working in the reverse direction in the far east, and in that I will include the portions of Aboriginal Australian society most effected by shaytan. Here I will show what I mean better by defining the three.

The three forms of Monotheism that are possible are one dualist and two non-dualist:

with a focus in the substance of Hope, the dualist way, which was the first form of Religion in the Middle East but the more recent in the Far East: Perceiving God as an external controlling intelligence to a wholy mechanised Universe which only God can alter;

with a focus in the substance of Love, the earlier forms of non-dualism: Perceiving God as within the Universe and that we each may exert a minute element of our own influence of will in the Universe but only by connecting in our inner identification with God as a unique individual of Higher intelligence that we may even guess; so we are in God as well as God being whom can control the universe; god-head belief systems accord with this structure when ever it is also manifested that the god-head can only ever be an individual Human Saint whom manifests enabling a person to know themself in Allah; Christian belief is often this, although Christian belief also manifests in the other form of non-dualism;

with a focus in the substance of Faith, the later form of non-dualism, that was also the earliest form of belief in One God in the Far East, as in the example of Taoism and Shinto: Perceiving God as throughout the Universe and the Universe as necessarily at One with God; yet to that we also manifest belief that we each are able to exert an influence independently and if our own influence is not in accord with the will of One God, to whom we owe our existance, then, why how could we be continuing to exist in the slightest respect if God is not certain that we will be availing ourselves of repaying that ever we exerted any influence not in accord with His Will.

This third form of belief, that I prefer and which accords that my belief in Isa is within Islam, is that form in which once certain, we can not believe in our own existance without believing in our own accountiblity in Allah.

There are forms of Christianity in which persons can, for the sake of lessening their relative level of fear, quiten their worry as to their own account, by manifesting a false belief in what is real of our eventual account by presuming upon Jesus. But in Islam such is not possible because of the nature of the form of Human mental processing of belief in Allah.

The analysis is simpler: either only God can make any alteration to the universe and I am His pawn entirely, and it is sin to manifest belief of any other reality; or only God can make any alteration and I by His permission in His Love, and any thing other is sin; or, if I perceive my self making any alteration to the Universe, then so as to continue causing me to exist God will necessarily have accounted for my every mistake, so therefore I will eventually necessarily be forced to pay for my every mistake, or else I could not now exist.

So: "Is Islam a continuation of Christianity?" is truly only answerable within your own perception of continuity and in God/Allah.

What is your own constance of belief and if that runs through both Christianity and Islam then the answer is of course yes. That the question is even asked implies, of course, that the constance is inclusive of belief that the answer could be yes: so therefore extrapolate that the answer must be yes.

wasalam

 

[north_malaysian]

You know, the more I learn about Islam, the more I think that myself.

To me, as a Christian, it seems like Muhammed came and undid everything Jesus had come, lived and died for ... to largely return to the old Jewish laws.

Of course, as a Christian I believe that Jesus' ressurection rang in God's New Covenant with his people - which meant many of the old laws became obsolete (I won't go into that here ... there is another thread elsewhere)

That's exactly why I find the whole idea of Muhammed's teachings so implausable ... why would God make a new convenant, and then change his mind and go back to the old ways?
It doesn't make sense to me. :?

I don't think Islam is a continuation of Christianity. Personally, I think it is a return to the Judaic laws, which disregards and goes against what Jesus did for us.
(Just my personal view, of course. Please feel free to believe otherwise. )

peace

At least Glo and others do realize that ISlam is closer to Judaism rather than to Christianity..... which means Christians do realize... thanks for answering...

 

[Malaikah]

So what about the religions that existed before Adam and Eve?

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/artifacts/venusfigurines.html

Youre kidding right.. :? Adam was the first human created.....:rollseyes

 

[Curaezipirid]

Do Christians ever realise that they are VERY DIFFERENT from Jews and Muslims?

It looks like Islam is a continuation of Judaism rather than of Christianity...

Islam is a continuation of the the religion followed by Adam(AS), Eve/Hawa(AS) and their Progeny.

Therefore we see that the Christians from an early age gave more priority to the miracles of Jesus and not keeping the original message or references.

Islam is a continuation of the the religion followed by Adam(AS), Eve/Hawa(AS) and their Progeny.QUOTE]

So what about the religions that existed before Adam and Eve?

http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/artifacts/venusfigurines.html

Youre kidding right.. :? Adam was the first human created.....:rollseyes

Youre kidding right.. :? Adam was the first human created.....:rollseyes

On a planet far away in a far distant galaxy ? ? ?

It turns out that Religion is a necessity, not because any other beings in the far off reaches of Heaven have any difficulty in the science of proving that One God exists, but simply because all beings in all places are in need of a CULTURE which defines what is able to be known of all that there is to know, by defining what is not yours to know without forgetting the cause of existing.

However, it must be told that MOST of the people of the world whom were once Muslim and now are not are actually Christian.

I disagree in totality that Islam is more like Judaism that it is like Christianity.

I was raised a Christian by my mother but my father will not profess as a Christian because he has not the scientific basis within which to manifest Faith in Jesus. However in Islam that science is known. I became a Muslim only because I learned that science.

Islam might seem more like Judaism once it is taken into account that Shari'ah abrogates all Law in Torah. But only by those persons whom are yet to encounter the real evidence in Jesus.

The fact is that the evidence exists in Islam far more so that among the Christian Churches.

And by evidence I am meaning evidence that Jesus was hung upon a cross alongside theives and that he entered the fire of Jehannam and became ressurected to life. This is why His lesson is so very important. Not one of us could ever believe in the reality of the Prophesies without His example.

For Mujahideen Islam is most certainly a continuation of Christianity. But if your own belief in Jesus is not total, then you might not be able to learn.

We each are guided to that environment and Religious manifestation which best supports our ablity to sustain being a true believer in One God. The extent of immersion in Religion which is necessary so as to properly adhere belief to the reality in Jesus is actually far more than what most persons suppose to be able to afford; but is also that extent necessary for life hereafter.

Sometimes there are persons whom present facts in only half measures so as to themselves retain the full truth more clearly, and we need to beware of being mislead by such. For one person expressing only a half picture that can lead to miscomprehension is what enables them to be in certainty themself, while for another person it is only by expressing the whole truth that we can ourself be certain. So also be careful not to judge what is and what is not Islamic belief by what opinions are expressed here in this thread. Use the source material that references have been made to.

Assalamu Alaikum

 

[north_malaysian]

nice post curaezipirid

 

[Curaezipirid]

Tar, although I must admit that my description of letting a believer manifest expressions of only portions of the truth is not that which is required of any real student of full Islamic worth. However, when the student is becoming introduced to Islam, there are times when one portion of knowledge is provided before another. However in general the truth is that more often it is in a Christian context that the full exposition of any Religious teaching is not made. There are many American examples of a process of questioning in learning that enables a person to express not that which they truly believe, in order to more thoroughly sustain belief. But the Islamic practise is for a person to gradually begin to become unable to express any but the truth. Qur'an is formulated in a specific mode of language designed such that any person can sustain belief in it whilst expressing. That is the real difference between Qur'an and other ahadith; so could explain why distinct seperate hadith that are not Qur'an, are more often found to be distinctly interpreted in distinct situations by distinct individuals. This is also the key to the importance of learning Arabic.

Can I suggest to the woman whom is uncertain as to whether her Christianity will be supported within Islam that her best course of action can only be to learn Qur'an at Maryam; and to learn the Arabic language therein. Such work will provide her with the evidence she is requiring.

But it is important also to remember that different among Muslims are within a different degree of submission to the full teaching. Perhaps truly her entry point to Islam, if she is already a true believer in Jesus, might belong in a different pathway to that of the man she tells us of. Jesus teaching is in part made for persons whom can only take to re-express but one portion of the truth, so as that their expression will ever be in self decency. Yet Jesus teaching is also made for persons whom are totally immersed in Islam.

Maybe it is best to comprehend the full teaching as being tackled at one end by Christian teaching and from another end by that teaching of Islam. So in the sequence of learning different aspects become known first second and third, etc. That can explain why there is a strong point of veiw being expressed that there is more similarity between Islam and Judaism. To my perspective there might be two different ends to approach Islam by and when finding where they meet in the middle one can not but accept being also Christian. So for a person whom is first a Christian; if they have been able to sustain full faith as a true believer within all that has become wrong with Christian Churches, there can seem very much too much scholarship required of the Islamic student before arriving to the same conclusion. But the reason that Islam exists is simply because not all persons are able to sustain full Faith in Jesus without the kind of learning process that Islam provides. Islam teaches that all persons must be equally regarded in being supplied with what it is that enables us to sustain belief. That is, if one person requires a larger length of contact with a teacher, then so long as they are acquiring the lesson, it is best that they are enabled to sustain that length of contact; whereas if another person rapidly comprehends the same lesson and without a lengthy period of being reminded of it from an experienced teacher, then the resourcing of their education will take a different direction.

Wasalam

 

[Curaezipirid]

Yes.. in fact I do have some questions which I do hope you will be able to answer....and I mean them genuinely and not retoricly.
The Quran says in sura 96.1 & 96.2 that man was created from a blood clot, but 21.3 & 24.45 says from water,19.67 from nothing, 3.59 & 35.11 from clay, 15.26 from mud and 16.4 & 75.37 says from a thickened liquid. Which part of the Quran is wrong?.
MOD: 1 question at a time.

salams I know lots of other folk have answered this post, and that they most likely done a better job of it - I guess by now Aishaa is probable also frustrated by the picture in which all of Shari'ah seems unable to be reconcilied in totality at one level, which we all know, of as being 100% reconcilible in the finer density matter, and know also that if we fall into being personally unable to reconcile any of, the matter is an individual concern in Allah, and never part of any Islamic teaching.

However this specific aspect of what might seem to be irreconcilible, is so very very reconcilible, that I wonder as to why she even asks.

In the beginning, we were not yet existing, and so we must take God/Allah's word for it that time existed preceeding our own existance, and that in that time He noticed that nothing was, and so made all of creation, of which we are only small parts. So Allah made us from nothing. That description is part of what defines Allah not what defines us.

From nothing manifested water, among other matter.

Water is liquid.

Liquid thickened.

As thick as mud, and of some parts same as in any ordinary mud.

So thick as to be liken to a clot, a clot in the flow of the muddy water.

The water thickened with some of the same substances as has mud, is that same substance as our blood. Have we not iron in our blood, as has the soil, and so also mud?

Actually clay is also only a form of dried mud, and we are, in our Human body, made of clay. Consider that clay, like many substances, has finer density matter which is a part of, and permanently attached to.

Perhaps you are not yet dried out or baked, that is fired, into a permanent vessel? Still able to be turned upon a wheel. Yet Allah was/is ever certain of the final outcome before He even began you.

If any aspect of what Aishaa asked had any inaccuracy, perhaps it is that of Qur'an 15:26 in the translation into "from mud"; but perhaps mud is only so versatile a word as clay?

The actual text:

YUSUFALI: We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape;
PICKTHAL: Verily We created man of potter's clay of black mud altered,
SHAKIR: And certainly We created man of clay that gives forth sound, of black mud fashioned in shape.

implies that Allah made man from clay, but that the clay is made from mud. So it is not entirely accurate to tell that mud is what a Human in made from. Although there are quite some many of the Souls of the fallen, whom are sort of muddy like rather than clay like. Those whose will has ever been to become a part of what makes a complete born whole Human. No longer an Alaqa but a whole Soul.

Think then, how is it that mud becomes clay if not by fire?

Thanks for you post Aishaa.

Alaykmuassalamu wa Ramathuallahi wa Rabarakathuhu Rivaq

 

[_Mujahida]

Prophet Mohammeds clear low opinion of women... Jesus never married let alone 9 wives and certainly never married a child.

you talk about propher mahammed (peace be upon him) marreied 9 wives how many women did Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) married in the Bible and also propher Jabob - peace be upon him, he had two wives and was married to two sisters at the same time, according to the Old Testament, as it says in the Book of Genesis 29:15-35. and also The father of the Prophets, Ibraaheem (Abraham - peace be upon him) was also married to two women, Haajar (Hagar) and Saara (Sarah).The Old Testament mentions that the Prophet of Allaah Dawood (David) had seventy or ninety-nine wives, and Sulaymaan (Solomon) had one hundred wives. These and other examples demonstrate that each of the Prophets implemented the laws that Allaah had prescribed.


So once this is understood, we will realize that plural marriage did not exist only in the law propher mahammed (peace be upon him) rather it existed in the laws of all the previous Prophets.

i ask Allaah to guide you and to help you find the true religion, which is Islam,

 

[Curaezipirid]

True I am believing with you sister,
just now I have been at the MyIslamWeb site where I had been holding my tongue(fingertips tongue) with anger about their moderators enabling a registered member whom was making false assertions about Aishaa and Mohammed, letting them post such, and also letting them go unchallenged, amid many complaints about the fact of the poster existing. Now I have made a post in respect of the matter which had bothered me months ago, because now my temper is no longer clouding my ablity to express the problem which is caused when any persons seeks to fault Mohammed in respect of Aishaa. Here I made a thread at myislamweb: http://www.myislamweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9211

To end such things we must make ourselves intolerant to them; and that includes making ourselves intolerant to acquiring any money through the faults of those whom are not yet so intolerant.

HOwever, in the post I have just now made, my reference to "Aishaa" was not to the younger of the Prophet's wives, but to that person whom had been making posts in this thread earlier on in the course of it.

wasalam

 

[YusufNoor]

Salaam & Peace Everyone,

i've just begun to read all the stuff in this thread, but i want to answer the the original question.

when i read about Allah(SWT) and His Oneness, i'm more inclined to see it as a continuation of Judaism, BUT, when i read about the Messenger of Allah(SAWS), i'm reminded of Jesus/Isa(as) MORE than ANYONE!

in fact alot of the sayings attributed to Jesus/Isa(as) seem best understood when reading or listening to lectures about him. especially in the pre-Hijra period.

i think it's best summed that in Faith, Islam is like Judaism; but in works it's "supposed" to be like Christianity.

pretty simple, really!

Peace,

Yusuf

 

[glo]

i think it's best summed that in Faith, Islam is like Judaism; but in works it's "supposed" to be like Christianity.

Interesting thought ...

 

[north_malaysian]

Can you reccomend any books I can buy about Prophet Mohammeds life that are written objectively as I would like to learn but not from Anti Islamic sites or Pro Islamic sites...

Karen Armstrong's "Muhammad: A Prophet of Our Time", and"Muhammad: a Biography of the Prophet"

F.E. Peters' Muhammad and the Origin of Islam"

 

[glo]

Karen Armstrong's "Muhammad: A Prophet of Our Time", and"Muhammad: a Biography of the Prophet"

F.E. Peters' Muhammad and the Origin of Islam"

I agree. Karen Armstrong is a fairly balanced source. I have read a book on Islam by her, and enjoyed it.

She is not a Muslim (she is, in fact, an ex-Catholic nun!), but calls herself a monotheist. She certainly is not negative towards Islam, but tries to be balanced.

Peace

 

[north_malaysian]

I agree. Karen Armstrong is a fairly balanced source. I have read a book on Islam by her, and enjoyed it.

She is not a Muslim (she is, in fact, an ex-Catholic nun!), but calls herself a monotheist. She certainly is not negative towards Islam, but tries to be balanced.

Peace

Agreed..... she's the one they featured in National Geographic Channel documentaries on Islam, right!!!?

 

[Malaikah]

you talk about propher mahammed (peace be upon him) marreied 9 wives how many women did Sulaymaan (peace be upon him) married in the Bible and also propher Jabob - peace be upon him, he had two wives and was married to two sisters at the same time, according to the Old Testament, as it says in the Book of Genesis 29:15-35. and also The father of the Prophets, Ibraaheem (Abraham - peace be upon him) was also married to two women, Haajar (Hagar) and Saara (Sarah).The Old Testament mentions that the Prophet of Allaah Dawood (David) had seventy or ninety-nine wives, and Sulaymaan (Solomon) had one hundred wives. These and other examples demonstrate that each of the Prophets implemented the laws that Allaah had prescribed.

Mashaallah, this could in handy one day. Jazakallah khayr.

 

[_Mujahida]

sister this just mk me think that peolpe they can say whateve they want about mahammed (peace be upon him) but what about what Bible say about Jabob, Ibraaheem Sulaymaan peace be upon them all what do they say about them?

 

[Curaezipirid]

Sometimes perhaps it is good only to remember that uneducated people, upon receiving even the minutest amount of Religious teaching, value it so highly that they can base their whole life's labour in just one passage of the word. Whether it is old testament or new, or Qur'an directly, or Veda, is not so important, but that it inspires the mind into working only for God/Allah becomes everything.

A woman and her child stayed at my house, and she is undereducated extremely for her intellect, and her child is ill prepared to enter school where he should by now already be. Their lives have been corrupted by the woman's mother being exiled from her home at Palm Island QLD Australia, when she was a child, (at palm island australia there are shayteen ruling including as a priest - it is where a man was killed by police and the death blows were so violent as to have burst his liver asunder - palm island was a prison island where Aborigines who kept on running away from the prisons of missions, or tried to do Corroborees in the missions, were placed - this is in QLD where until 1967 the legislation governing Aborigines is that which the South African appartheid Act was directly based upon.), and then being put into a life sentence in prison. The woman's mother will be let out this year. She went to prison herself some years ago just to be with her mother. Her child is very well behaved and although he is overly mature in his attitudes he has a fully rounded belief in God and in his own righteousness in living. He has been exposed to too much for a five year old, inclusive of much passive smoking of cannabis, and has an eating disorder connected to chocolate consumption. They stayed at my house to escape from the government officials whom would have removed the child from the mother. While it is easy to connect to why the child is in danger, because of his mother's cannabis smoking, we really need better connect with the fact that his mother believes fully in Allah, and is enabling her son the same. If he were to be removed he might only live a while with a family of non-believers. Yet his mind is so mature that he might only believe that it is his task, even now at five, to hold a family of non-believers into their own accountiblity in Allah.

The word of God which was with them was no more than a children's picture book telling that every child is loved by an Angel.

There comes a time when it is truly irrelevant what religion we ascribe to.

Surely every act of belief in the real world is an act of the continuety this thread is asking of.

My own belief is that many of my race of Australian Aborigines, are letting the mind be over used in youth, because the fear being generated by the economy is so fundamentally extreme as to make it intolerable for grown men. Many many males are, as boys, causing their minds to become unable to perceive what is happening. Yet within that state, so long as their immediate bodily needs are tended to without being abused, their work in Allah is real. I believe that it is happening to the men and not our women because they feel the future is holding armageddon, and are trying to to be the cause of. The young family who stayed with me were true to their consciences, and even though many arguments surrounded their stay with me, and they tried stealing from me, they also consciously left behind a piece of paper with writing on it in a clear form of apology and loving gratitude.

When our minds are, as is the case here in Australia for most of our Australian believers, white and black, so corrupted as to have been deluded about the cause and effect of our own deaths, yet can also recognise that as fact, we are all so afraid as to not want to bear with the mental comprehension of what is happening to us.

But yet even in this condition it is fully the case that it is the word, that is Qur'an, holding our self to the belief in our own Humanity. What ever the word is, which ever the prophet, and whom ever passes it on to us, there is ever continuety if the word is real, and the ears and eyes.

Salam