Is Islam based on Biblical teachings?

[ardianto]

Hi Ardianto
Ok that fair enough, do I understand then the testimony/narrative in the Hadeeth about what prophet Muhammad said and did is not related to the writings /sayings in the Quran.
Also in understand the (pbuh) what does (saw) stand for?
Regards
Doug

Not every thing about Islam mentioned in Qur'an. In example, how to perform salah (prayer). So, Muslims take it from hadith.

About (saw). The ethic of Muslims when mention name of prophet Muhammad is complete it with "Shallallahu Alayhi Wasallam " (saw) which means "May Allah give shalawat (bless/praise) and salam (peace/praise) upon him". While for other prophets Muslims say "Alaihis Salam" (as) which mean "Peace be upon him".

Regards
Ardianto

 

[dwa2day]

Not every thing about Islam mentioned in Qur'an. In example, how to perform salah (prayer). So, Muslims take it from hadith.

About (saw). The ethic of Muslims when mention name of prophet Muhammad is complete it with "Shallallahu Alayhi Wasallam " (saw) which means "May Allah give shalawat (bless/praise) and salam (peace/praise) upon him". While for other prophets Muslims say "Alaihis Salam" (as) which mean "Peace be upon him".

Regards
Ardianto

OK Ardianto, re saw I supposed as must did not know the exact phrase.
I think you have missed my question. I understand from your explination that the Hadeeth is testimony/narrative in the about what prophet Muhammad said and did during his life.

Is there any relationship between the Hadeeth and the Quran?

Regards
Doug

 

[ardianto]

OK Ardianto, re saw I supposed as must did not know the exact phrase.
I think you have missed my question. I understand from your explination that the Hadeeth is testimony/narrative in the about what prophet Muhammad said and did during his life.

Is there any relationship between the Hadeeth and the Quran?

Regards
Doug

Hmm, ... I don't really understand what you mean with relationship. But I explain the position of Qur'an and hadith in Islam.

There are many rules that Muslims have to follow. And these rules are based on two sources, Qur'an and sunnah (what prophet Muhammad (saw) did and narrated in hadith). Why not only Qur'an?. Because like I have said, not everything in Islam mentioned in Qur'an. So Muslims also follow guidance that sourced from hadith.

Regards
Ardianto

 

[dwa2day]

Hmm, ... I don't really understand what you mean with relationship. …………………….also follow guidance that sourced from hadith.

Regards
Ardianto

Relationship
Hi Ardianto
By relationship I means association, connection, link, affiliation. So my question would read
Is there a relationship, association, connection, link, affiliation between the Quran and Hadeeth.

Regards
Doug

 

[ardianto]

Relationship
Hi Ardianto
By relationship I means association, connection, link, affiliation. So my question would read
Is there a relationship, association, connection, link, affiliation between the Quran and Hadeeth.

Regards
Doug

Is not easy to find a word to explain. But, both Qur'an and Hadith are parallel, and Muslims follow both, which make it linked. It's like a railway, which Qur'an is one side of rail, while Hadith is the another side, and Muslims is like the train that run on it.

Maybe my explanation is confusing you. But, like I've said, not easy to find a word to explain it.

 

[dwa2day]

Is not easy to find a word to explain. But, both Qur'an and Hadith are parallel, and Muslims follow both, which make it linked. It's like a railway, which Qur'an is one side of rail, while Hadith is the another side, and Muslims is like the train that run on it.

Maybe my explanation is confusing you. But, like I've said, not easy to find a word to explain it.

No that make perfect sense. Thank you.

 

[dwa2day]

Hi Greenhill
You go further to say Islam stands alone with the Quran and the Hadith as its guide. I understand the Hadith is in essence reports describing the words, actions, or habits of the Islamic prophet Mohamed. In addition they are evaluated by Muslim clerics as authentic, good or weak.
This by Muslim standards is saying the Quran in itself is also corrupt or rather been corrupted by Saran after Mohamed’s death.
Regards
Doug

After further discussion and comments it is clear my understanding of this has been incorrect and thus apologies to any person I may of offended by my this statement.
I trust I will continue to learn through further discussion in this forum.

Regards
Doug

 

[dwa2day]

I have posed the question to the Muslim community, Is Islam based on biblical Teaching? The response can be summarised as follows:-
The Quran is the uncountable word of Allah given to his prophet Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. Anything that contradicts the Quran is thus false. Unlike the Quran the original text of the Bible have been lost therefore the Quran is because of the Bible as Gods final message to his people.

Secondly there is this undertone that the God of the Bible is in fact Allah as noted based on the premises Jew, Christians and Muslims all adhere to the principle that there is only one true God. Since the Quran has come to replace the Bible Allah and the God mentioned in Biblical text are the same person.

In reference to Allah’s unchanging word both the Bible and Quran are in agreement.

Surah 10:64
For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah. That is what the great attainment is.
Surah 6:115-116
And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the . And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”
Malachi 3:6
“For I am the Lord, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
​

However what seems to be hidden is the authority the Quran places on the Bible. I have found 14 Surahs that confirm this taken from www.quran.com the International Standard version, and fully quoted at the end of the text. Let us have a look at two of the verses.

Surha 3:3 He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
Surah 6:114-115 [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom we [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing​

Nothing is said of the Torah or Gospel been lost or corrupted. If anything the Quran confirming that Muhammad had access to and understood the Bible all 66 books of the Old and New Testament. Further the Quran attest to the authority of the Bible.

Note also in Surah 6 the reference to the Lord of the Bible, not Allah, but this is another discussion. I must the concluded:-

1. No one can change the words of God.
2. The Bible (Torah, Injil) is the word of God.
3. Therefore, no one has or can change the Bible.

Look forward to your comments.

Surha 2:41 And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me.

Surha 2:89 And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them - although before they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieved - but [then] when there came to them that which they recognized, they disbelieved in it; so the curse of Allah will be upon the disbelievers.

Surha 2:101 And when a messenger from Allah came to them confirming that which was with them, a party of those who had been given the Scripture threw the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know [what it contained].

Surha 3:3He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

Surah 3:50 And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.

Surha 3:81 And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Surah 4:47 O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We obliterate faces and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah accomplished.

Surah 5:48 And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.

Surah 6:92 And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers.

Surah 6:114-115 [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom we [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Surah 12:111 There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.

Surah 35:31 And that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], of the Book is the truth, confirming what was before it. Indeed, Allah , of His servants, is Acquainted and Seeing.

Surah 37:37 Rather, the Prophet has come with the truth and confirmed the [previous] messengers.

Surah 46:12 And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead and as a mercy. And this is a confirming Book in an Arabic tongue to warn those who have wronged and as good tidings to the doers of good.

Surah 46:30 They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard a [recited] Book revealed after Moses confirming what was before it which guides to the truth and to a straight path.

 

[ardianto]

Greetings, Doug.

I never say that Bible is corrupted, because like I have said in another thread that the word "corrupted" is excessive (in describing condition of Bible). I just say that Bible has been added with words that not originally from Bible. In example, verses that tell about situation after crucifixion. These verses clearly not from Bible because Bible revelation had been ended after crucifixion.

I am sure that Christians do not deny that there are words which not originally from Bible, but later added into Bible.

How about Muslims. Did Muslims do the same thing with Qur'an?. No. Muslims did not add any word into Qur'an, but made new books to be used together with Qur'an as guidance, like book of Hadith, book of tafseer (interpretation), etc. Muslims did that with purpose to make the words in Qur'an still pure without any addition.

By the way. The words "No change is there in the words of Allah" in Qur'an 10:64 does not refer to message in any holy book, but refer to God's promise that anyone who walk on His path will be saved and go to heaven, while anyone who walk not on His path will not be saved and will go to hell.

Just a little input from me. Hopefully it's beneficial.

Regards
Ardianto.

 

[dwa2day]

Hi Ardianto
Thanks for your reply. The definition of corrupt as per free dictionary.com is
Corrupt - adj.
1. Marked by immorality and perversion; depraved.
2. Venal or dishonest: a corrupt mayor.
3. Containing errors or alterations, especially ones that prevent proper understanding or use: a corrupt translation; acorrupt computer file.

I never say that Bible is corrupted, because like I have said in another thread that the word "corrupted" is excessive (in describing condition of Bible). I just say that Bible has been added with words that not originally from Bible.

Note the definition 3 uses the word alterations, which is the same as changes, amendments, adaptations or like you said additions. One in the same thing we do not need to mice words here to cloud the main point that the Quran affirms the authority of the Bible no less than 14 times. However I do appreciate you care in been more humble and soft about it.

I just say that Bible has been added with words that not originally from Bible. In example, verses that tell about situation after crucifixion. These verses clearly not from Bible because Bible revelation had been ended after crucifixion.

Please provide examples of these with references to the Bible without and without the addition as well as your motivation for stating this. Otherwise I see this as just someone typing to sound informed. Without focusing on the topic, The Quran affirms the Bible as the true and respectful word of God, which Mohammad himself had access to.

I am sure that Christians do not deny that there are words which not originally from Bible, but later added into Bible.

Any person who professors to be a Christian and accepts your claim above, I tell you directly without been polite, they are not a true follower of Jesus Christ, reject them as you would Satan. If not corrected they will not enjoy paradise.
I am unsure of your standing as far a biblical studding goes, or even if you have access to a bible. If you do, take the time to read the preface of a Bible and you will see the care taken to ensure correct translation form the source document that predate Islam available to us today.
Besides from my previous post and your reply it is clear Mohammed had a Bible and attest to it authority as the Word of God. Notting you fail to reject this so one must accept that you agree to the authority the Quran has placed on Biblical text.
If you want a deeper understanding of the accuracy of the Bible I will gladly assist you. But please know we are taught that our salvation is ours to work out and not the responsibility of our leaders.

No. Muslims did not add any word into Qur'an, but made new books to be used together with Qur'an as guidance, like book of Hadith, book of tafseer (interpretation), etc. Muslims did that with purpose to make the words in Qur'an still pure without any addition.

I disagree, but am in the process of referencing different translation of the Quran at present and will revert back to you once I have.

By the way. The words "No change is there in the words of Allah" in Qur'an 10:64 does not refer to message in any holy book, but refer to God's promise that anyone who walk on His path will be saved and go to heaven, while anyone who walk not on His path will not be saved and will go to hell.

I think you have not read my post properly and making an error with regard to what I have said. Alternatively you are simply making an argument to avoid addressing the heart of my post. That the Quran confirms the authority of the Bible as God written word.

In reference to Allah’s unchanging word both the Bible and Quran are in agreement.
Surah 10:64
For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah. That is what the great attainment is.

I see no mention of hell. However it clear states that Allah’s word will not be changed. Which is my point.

Regards
Doug

 

[ardianto]

Greetings. And thank you very much for your reply, Doug.

Since I am not Christian I have no problem if Bible changed or not because I do not follow Bible. But actually I just wanted to clarify misunderstanding about "Bible is corrupted" among Muslims.

I never studied Bible, and never read the whole Bible. I just often read Christian's articles which include Biblical verses, and I found some verses which tell about situation after crucifixion. It made me wonder "Isn't Bible revelation has ended when crucifixion happened?". Some Muslims saw the same thing too and wonder too. However, me and those some Muslims do not regard that Bible is corrupted in definition that you described above. And if there are Muslims who believe that Bible has been corrupted in that definition, this is their own conclusion.

I will not questioning Bible, and I will not argue you if you say the verses about post-crucifixion are original from Bible. Actually I was standing on neutral side when I wrote my previous post and just wanted to clarify from what I have noticed. But if you sure my clarification was wrong, thanks for correcting me.

Now about Qur’an. The Qur'an indeed, confirms the authority of the Bible as God written word. However, Qur'an 10:64 does not refer to messages in Bible, but refer to God's promise. You will know it if you read previous verses, not just surah 10:64. Meanwhile the definition of Qur'an itself refer to the Arabic Qur'an, not to its translation in other languages which the translators can write any word based on their own interpretation.

Thanks for your offer to assist me in Biblical study. But to be honest, I prefer if we talk about gardening, traveling, or program to help poor people. If you want to be friend with me, with pleasure I will become your friend. I have been interacted with Christian people since I was born. I was born in family which some of maternal relatives are Protestant Christians. I studied in Catholic elementary school and was close with my teachers who some of them were Franciscan nuns. Few of my close friends in the real world are Christians too.

Regards
Ardianto.

 

[dwa2day]

Hi Ardianto.
Thank you for your reply, I found it interesting reading.

Let me try and place the authority of the Bible in perspective for you. I saw a quote the other day that read, “I was made Awesome, not Perfect.” That is the essence of our human nature, any person that claims there are no errors in the translation of the Bible is a fool.

Now what is meant by error? Synonyms are: - mistake, fault, inaccuracy, miscalculation, oversight or misprint. An error does not mean corrupt, unethical, fraudulent or dishonest.

Yes translators have made some serious blunders and you going to have a field day on this example here. There is a translation of the Bible known as the Judas Bible, very few were printed before the error was noted. The error was and misprint in a single verse were Jesus name was printed as Judas. These types of errors are not often made and by no means cause toc all the Bile Corrupt. So yes error are made and corrections are done and reprints note these changes.

The question one should be asking is: - Is the reader made aware of the changes or problem that are encountered by the team of translators from the ancient source documents into the readers language? Yes these are noted as a foot note in the Bible. Commonly a foot note would read in reference to a word, “the Hebrew word is unclear.” Another example would be MU-Text “pass through” Septuagint “walk through”. For your understanding MU = Masoretic or Hebrew Text and Septuagint is the Greek used in translation of the Bible.

The above is a simple example and by no means a detailed investigation of Bible translations. I am afraid of one been guilty of promoting the Bible and thus contravene the rule so the site and two I am here to learn about Islam and not the Bible.

"Isn't Bible revelation has ended when crucifixion happened?"
Curbing my desire to give a detailed explanation let me say the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus is the end of Gods plan of salvation as seen in the context and laid out in the Bible from Adam to Jesus Christ. However the story does not end there, how is this plan of salvation to be applied in one’s life, how did the apostle deal with, what help do we have and final builds to Jesus Christ second coming when He to fetch His followers.

With regard to 10:64 I understand it as Allah’s promise as well.

You go further to say “Meanwhile the definition of Qur'an itself refer to the Arabic Qur'an not to its translation in other languages which the translators can write any word based on their own interpretation.”
1) Here I need help as I cannot read Arabic, I am sure many Muslims are in the same position I am.
2) Do I then understand that of the Quran into English is not accepted and an authentic Quran and thus also seen as corrupt.

Sorry for the above I read only now as you put it prefer gardening etc. My one desire is to help prisoners. My friend joke and tell me it is because I have a captive audience. Many prisoners are Muslim in our country. You may interested that the prison closest to me is called Victor Verster Prison, this is where I have been most involved. This is where Nelson Mandela was released from and his grand walk to freedom occurred.

However if you can offer any insight to me into Islam it would be appreciated.

Regards
Doug




Thanks for your offer to assist me in Biblical study. But to be honest, I prd to regrefer if we talk about gardening, traveling, or program to help poor people. If you want to be friend with me, with pleasure I will become your friend. I have been interacted with Christian people since I was born. I was born in family which some of maternal relatives are Protestant Christians. I studied in Catholic elementary school and was close with my teachers who some of them were Franciscan nuns. Few of my close friends in the real world are Christians too.

Regards
Dou

 

[ardianto]

Greetings Doug.

Thank you very much for your reply.

I apologize if what I said that I prefer to talk about gardening, than study Bible maybe sound offensive. But it's because I tend to respect the faith privacy of people from other religion. I am worry if I studied Bible then I would fall into attitude which I start to criticize Christianity. I prefer to co-operate with people from other faiths in the area of humanity. Although if I have question about other religion I never hesitate to ask.

I myself just an ordinary Muslim. My knowledge is not high enough to teach Islam. But if you have question, and I can answer, don't be hesitate to ask.

Regards
Ardianto

 

[dwa2day]

Greetings Doug.

Thank you very much for your reply.

I apologize if what I said that I prefer to talk about gardening, than study Bible maybe sound offensive. But it's because I tend to respect the faith privacy of people from other religion. I am worry if I studied Bible then I would fall into attitude which I start to criticize Christianity. I prefer to co-operate with people from other faiths in the area of humanity. Although if I have question about other religion I never hesitate to ask.

I myself just an ordinary Muslim. My knowledge is not high enough to teach Islam. But if you have question, and I can answer, don't be hesitate to ask.

Regards
Ardianto

Hi Ardianto
I takes a lot more to offend me than talking about the garden, sorry if you got that impression.
I feel sad to read your knowledge is not higher enough to teach Islam. This is the joy I get from Christianity we have the helper, comforter or Holy Spirit as a guide in our lives. Thus through His direction every Christian has something to offer. It is our worldly system that states one needs education and status to be heard.
If fact most Christians do more work for God in the early part of their faith than later, because of the restriction the so called Church puts on your faith and the need for people to belong and recognised with in a specific group. When focusing on Jesus and His purpose for your life should be ones goal.
My Question is simple. How does a Muslim know he is going to paradise?

Regards
Doug

 

[ardianto]

My Question is simple. How does a Muslim know he is going to paradise?

My friend Doug,

a Muslim who understand Islam would not dare to say that he will go to paradise, because no one know where they will go in the hereafter before they arrive in hereafter and face the last trial. Muslims who collect rewards more than sins, indeed, will to to paradise. But Muslims who collect sins more than rewards will go to the hell.

Unfortunately, nowadays there are people who dare to give guarantee that a Muslim will go to paradise if he join in specific group, or do specific action. The worse is, there are Muslims who deceived by this 'guarantee'. We can see the effect of this in act of terrorism that committed by few Muslims.

Those Muslim terrorists believed that act of terrorism that they did would bring them to paradise. They believed it because they believed the people who gave them guarantee that they would go to paradise. That's why they did not feel guilty when they killed innocent people.

"Selling ticket to paradise" is troubling phenomenon that happen in the Muslim world nowadays, and become concerns from Muslims scholars all over the world. This is why, one program of Muslim scholars nowadays is educate people that no one in the world can give guarantee that a Muslim will go to paradise.

Will I go to paradise?, or will I go to the hell?. Honestly, I don't know. But I will know it after I arrive in the hereafter. That's why I always try to collect rewards and avoid commit sin, as best I can do.

Regards
Ardianto

 

[dwa2day]

My friend Doug,

a Muslim who understand Islam would not dare to say that he will go to paradise, because no one know where they will go in the hereafter before they arrive in hereafter and face the last trial. Muslims who collect rewards more than sins, indeed, will to to paradise. But Muslims who collect sins more than rewards will go to the hell.
Regards
Ardianto

Hi Ardianto
Ok that’s quite simple and much the same as the Old Testament Law, live in hope that you do more good than bad at the same time hoping that Satan dose not tempt you to much.
Do you think this is attainable?
Regards
Doug

 

[MidnightRose]

I have posed the question to the Muslim community, Is Islam based on biblical Teaching? The response can be summarised as follows:-
The Quran is the uncountable word of Allah given to his prophet Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. Anything that contradicts the Quran is thus false. Unlike the Quran the original text of the Bible have been lost therefore the Quran is because of the Bible as Gods final message to his people.

Secondly there is this undertone that the God of the Bible is in fact Allah as noted based on the premises Jew, Christians and Muslims all adhere to the principle that there is only one true God. Since the Quran has come to replace the Bible Allah and the God mentioned in Biblical text are the same person.

In reference to Allah’s unchanging word both the Bible and Quran are in agreement.

Surah 10:64
For them are good tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. No change is there in the words of Allah. That is what the great attainment is.
Surah 6:115-116
And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the . And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.

Isaiah 40:8
The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.”
Malachi 3:6
“For I am the Lord, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
​

However what seems to be hidden is the authority the Quran places on the Bible. I have found 14 Surahs that confirm this taken from www.quran.com the International Standard version, and fully quoted at the end of the text. Let us have a look at two of the verses.

Surha 3:3 He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.
Surah 6:114-115 [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom we [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing​

Nothing is said of the Torah or Gospel been lost or corrupted. If anything the Quran confirming that Muhammad had access to and understood the Bible all 66 books of the Old and New Testament. Further the Quran attest to the authority of the Bible.

Note also in Surah 6 the reference to the Lord of the Bible, not Allah, but this is another discussion. I must the concluded:-

1. No one can change the words of God.
2. The Bible (Torah, Injil) is the word of God.
3. Therefore, no one has or can change the Bible.

Look forward to your comments.

Surha 2:41 And believe in what I have sent down confirming that which is [already] with you, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And do not exchange My signs for a small price, and fear [only] Me.

Surha 2:89 And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them - although before they used to pray for victory against those who disbelieved - but [then] when there came to them that which they recognized, they disbelieved in it; so the curse of Allah will be upon the disbelievers.

Surha 2:101 And when a messenger from Allah came to them confirming that which was with them, a party of those who had been given the Scripture threw the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they did not know [what it contained].

Surha 3:3He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

Surah 3:50 And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.

Surha 3:81 And [recall, O People of the Scripture], when Allah took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [ Allah ] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

Surah 4:47 O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you, before We obliterate faces and turn them toward their backs or curse them as We cursed the sabbath-breakers. And ever is the decree of Allah accomplished.

Surah 5:48 And We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. To each of you We prescribed a law and a method. Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. To Allah is your return all together, and He will [then] inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.

Surah 6:92 And this is a Book which We have sent down, blessed and confirming what was before it, that you may warn the Mother of Cities and those around it. Those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they are maintaining their prayers.

Surah 6:114-115 [Say], "Then is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail?" And those to whom we [previously] gave the Scripture know that it is sent down from your Lord in truth, so never be among the doubters. And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Surah 12:111 There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.

Surah 35:31 And that which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], of the Book is the truth, confirming what was before it. Indeed, Allah , of His servants, is Acquainted and Seeing.

Surah 37:37 Rather, the Prophet has come with the truth and confirmed the [previous] messengers.

Surah 46:12 And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead and as a mercy. And this is a confirming Book in an Arabic tongue to warn those who have wronged and as good tidings to the doers of good.

Surah 46:30 They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard a [recited] Book revealed after Moses confirming what was before it which guides to the truth and to a straight path.

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Greetings @dwa2day

I just thought I'd share some information about Islam in relation to your post above.

Many people believe that the terms Injeel and Bible are interchangeable. They are not.

According to Islam:

• The Torah was revealed to Musa :as:.
• The Injeel was revealed to Isa :as: - also known as Jesus.

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We sent Isa, son of Maryam, and gave him the Injeel. (Surah 57: part of verse 27)

Even according to Christian theology, the New Testament was not revealed to Isa (Jesus) :as:.

The Bible contains the Torah, and the not revealed to Isa (Jesus):as: New Testament.

The Bible, as a book, was not revealed to any Islamically recognized Prophet.

Therefore, the Qur’an isn’t referring to either the Bible or New Testament, as none of them were revealed to Isa (Jesus) :as:, or any Islamically recognized Prophet.

In sum, Islamically:

1. The Bible is not what the Quran describes as the Injeel
2. The Bible should not be confused with the Injeel
3. The Bible should not be attributed to Isa :as:
4. The New Testament should not be attributed to Isa :as:
5. At best, the New Testament is a historical record (ahadith) with questionable chains of transmission
6. Allah knows best what happened to the Injeel

Additionally:

The foundation of the Islamic faith is based on the truthfulness of the Messenger of Allah :saws:.

The renowned Islamic scholar, Mawlana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi :rh: has mentioned:

"Absolute truthfulness and dependability of a messenger of God constitute the first and the most essential factor for acceptance of his mission."

(Muhammad Rasulullah: The Apostle of Mercy, p. 111)

The wisdom of Allah is indeed amazing. Muhammad :saws: interacted with society for 40 years prior to being commissioned as a Prophet by Allah. This resulted in the Prophet Muhammad's :saws: truthfulness being confirmed by all who knew him. It is for this reason that he was known as Al-Amin. Those that refused to acknowledge the message of revelation realized that he wasn't a liar. Thus, their rejections were for a variety of other reasons.

As stated of the Prophet :saws: by Mawlana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi :rh::

"From early youth, the unobtrusive youngman was known for his gentle disposition and austere purity of his life as well as his candidness, honesty and integrity and the stern sense of duty. His was the straight and narrow path and none could find the slightest fault with him. The fair character and honourable bearing of the Apostle won for him, in the flower of his youth, the title of Al-Amin, the Trusty, from his fellow citizens."

(Muhammad Rasulullah: The Apostle of Mercy, pp. 97-98)

The reports of the Prophet Muhammad's :saws: truthfulness are of the highest degree of authenticity due to their being mutawatir. The definition of this Islamic term is:

"A mass-transmitted report that is transmitted from one generation to the next in such large numbers, that one could not imagine that they conspired to forge it."

(See The Preservation of Hadith)

According to the principles of Islam, one of the processes involved in evaluating a report is the scrutiny of the reporter's biography. In an Islamic context, the messenger is of no less importance than the message itself. For a glimpse of who Mawlana Sayyid Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi :rh: was, please see the following: About Mawlana Abul Hasan Ali Nadwi.

In light of this, the knowledge of the Shari'ah has a specific method of transmission. There are no clerics in Islam. There are people who have spent time and effort learning Islam and it's principles. They become experts (i.e. scholars/ulama) in understanding, practicing, and explaining Islam to others and are known by various titles (i.e. Shaykh, Maulana, etc.) People, thus, look to them for guidance. These subject-matter experts are not a separate class of people as in Catholicism, for example.

"The method in which this divine knowledge was passed down to us by our predecessors was from heart to heart which required one to be under the direct tutorship and supervision of ‘Ulama. The first teacher of this ummah was our beloved Rasulullah (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) who taught the Sahaba (radhiyallahu ‘anhum), they then taught the Tabi’een (rahimahumullah), who in turn taught the Tab’e Tabi’een (rahimahullah) and who in turn taught our predecessors. As such, the knowledge of Shari’ah was transferred from generation to generation in this manner."

Source: http://www.askimam.org/public/question_detail/30663

The knowledge of Shari’ah continues to be transmitted this way. The verification of its authenticity can be ascertained by becoming acquainted with the people who are part of this method of education. The image below shows the chains of transmission in ahadith for Shaykh Mansur Memon Madani, Shaykh al-Hadith Abdul Moiz, Shaykh Ibrahim Memon Madani, and Mufti Husain Ahmed Madani. They are all currently teachers at Darul Uloom Canada.

Image obtained from:http://enterthesunnah.com/bloggers-short-bios/.

A high quality version can be obtained by clicking on the following link: https://bukhari2013.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/sanad.pdf

With the context established above, if-then statements and/or criteria for comprehending the authenticity of Islamic narratives – such as the Qur’an – are not contingent on non-Islamic understandings/philosophy/logic. Shaikh Ibrahim Madani - a high-level subject matter expert of traditional Islam - has stated that the correct way for a Muslim to understand everything, including historical narratives in the Qur’an, is through what Muhammad :saws: has taught us.

For example:

• All historical narratives in the Qur’an are from Allah.
• Muhammad’s :saws: truthfulness is established beyond a reasonable doubt.
• Therefore, the authenticity of Qur’anic narratives are not contingent on non-Muslim beliefs/philosophy/logic.
• They are contingent on what Muhammad :saws: told us.

We, as Muslims, do not accept any other authority on this matter and we learn the context of this information from subject-matter experts like those mentioned above.

 

[ardianto]

Hi Ardianto
Ok that’s quite simple and much the same as the Old Testament Law, live in hope that you do more good than bad at the same time hoping that Satan dose not tempt you to much.
Do you think this is attainable?
Regards
Doug

Greetings, Doug.

I cannot hope satan will not tempt me too much because satan has vowed to always mislead human. But I believe that Allah will give me strength to face satan temptation if I always close to Him.

Regards
Ardianto

 

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My Question is simple. How does a Muslim know he is going to paradise?

Regards
Doug

We only enter paradise through the Mercy of Allah.

How do we gain His Mercy? That should be our intention. Without it, all the action counts for nothing. Have patience with what Allah has decided for you.

Always be thankful. If you want Allah to be Forgiving with you, you need to be forgiving with others..

Perhaps with following His bidding willingly we will be granted His Mercy when we meet Him on Judgment Day.

 

[dwa2day]

The Bible, as a book, was not revealed to any Islamically recognized Prophet.
Therefore, the Qur’an isn’t referring to either the Bible or New Testament, as none of them were revealed to Isa (Jesus)

, or any Islamically recognized Prophet.

Yet as per my post #77 the Quran clearly confirms the full authority of the Bible.
Thus I find you reply somewhat contradictory and avoids answering the question. For example you say

The Bible, as a book, was not revealed to any Islamically recognized Prophet.
According to Islam The Torah was revealed to Musa

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Regards
Doug