Is islam the fastest rowing religion? if in converts?

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But how can they know that it makes sense if they're just going through the motions and see it simply as a meaningless condition of getting the handouts without knowing why they're declaring their faith or having read or been told anything about what said declaration actually means?

Logically, isn't it both sides of the same coin?

This is why it's not our jobs as Muslims to convert anyone, it's our duty to convey the message however.

Those who understand it's basic logic, of One Creator, who is alone worthy of worship, and He sends Messengers' to His servants to convey the message clearly and to unite people on what they differed. The Messenger who tells the people to worship God Alone, to establish the prayer, to pay in charity, to help the needy, to enjoin the ties of kinship, to be kind to the creation.

The Messenger who warns the people that every soul is responsible for its actions and deeds, and those who obey the Messenger and worship none but their Creator & Sustainer Alone will be rewarded by Him, whereas those who associate others as partners with God in worship [i.e. stone idols, humans, man-made philosophies] will be punished for disobeying the message of God, and taking it in jest, saying that God does not send any message to His servants and allows them to stray, without ever being returned to Him. Is that logical?


What should be the punishment for those who reject God's Message? And what should be the reward for those who accept God's Message and do good works to please Him? The fire is for those who are too arrogant to worship God Alone and obey His Messengers', yet those who do good to please Him - there reward will be Paradise, gardens beneath which rivers flow in the Presence of their Lord, He is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him. They will abide therein forever.


The declaration of faith is to testify that i believe that there is none worthy of worship except God Alone, and that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is God's final Messenger. The call has been the same of ALL the prophets of God, and never did a messenger come to his people and say worship me as an associate with God, rather they called their people to worship God Alone. No other deities attatched. And they warned us of the Day of Judgement, when we will be gathered infront of our Creator without a doubt, and He will judge us all on what we differed.




Regards.

 

[islamirama]

Except it isn't because you've avoided the question.

Aaron's original post was about how certain Muslim missionaries provide food and clothes in disaster areas in return for saying shahadah. Much like how certain Christian missionaries do the same in return for also accepting a bible and suchlike.

well aaron needs to bring his proofs that Muslims do that. Muslims do good deeds to earn the reward from Allah for their actions. They help muslims and non-Muslims in the disaster area for humanitarian sake and for their good deeds, pleasing Allah. They are not out to convert others.

Christians on the other hands are out there to get more numbers, which is why they resort to trickery, bribery and decpetion. They are missionaries because they go on missions, it's their missions to convert. They focus on poor uneducated areas mostly becuase the people would have little knowledge to refute and more hunger to accept whatever they say.

Muslimls on the other hand give dawaah to their own local communities, not go to these places to "buy" converts. And Muslim's don't convert others, they job is only to convey the message of Islam. It is Allah who guides whom He so pleases. So we just give the message and even tell them to think carefully before converting to make sure this is what they want.

Like i said, BIG difference.

 

[Encolpius]

well aaron needs to bring his proofs that Muslims do that. Muslims do good deeds to earn the reward from Allah for their actions. They help muslims and non-Muslims in the disaster area for humanitarian sake and for their good deeds, pleasing Allah. They are not out to convert others.

Christians on the other hands are out there to get more numbers, which is why they resort to trickery, bribery and decpetion. They are missionaries because they go on missions, it's their missions to convert. They focus on poor uneducated areas mostly becuase the people would have little knowledge to refute and more hunger to accept whatever they say.

Muslimls on the other hand give dawaah to their own local communities, not go to these places to "buy" converts. And Muslim's don't convert others, they job is only to convey the message of Islam. It is Allah who guides whom He so pleases. So we just give the message and even tell them to think carefully before converting to make sure this is what they want.

Like i said, BIG difference.

And you also need to provide your evidence that Christians do that, by the same token, since you've not. You've simply made an assertion that it happens based on "common knowledge" and even so, the way you've worded this post implies that it's a systemic thing amongst these individuals and that no Christian ever goes out there and helps merely out the conscience of his or her own heart.

 

[islamirama]

And you also need to provide your evidence that Christians do that, by the same token, since you've not. You've simply made an assertion that it happens based on "common knowledge" and even so, the way you've worded this post implies that it's a systemic thing amongst these individuals and that no Christian ever goes out there and helps merely out the conscience of his or her own heart.

I have my proofs and i 'll show them when i see him show them. I say this becuase non-muslims have made a good reputation for themselves for lieing and throwing stupid statements and failing to back them up with proof; and at the same time demand proof, upon which they go mute or pick something to cry about.

One example as proof has already been given on this thread, let's see if you can find it.

 

[Encolpius]

I have my proofs and i 'll show them when i see him show them. I say this becuase non-muslims have made a good reputation for themselves for lieing and throwing stupid statements and failing to back them up with proof; and at the same time demand proof, upon which they go mute or pick something to cry about.

One example as proof has already been given on this thread, let's see if you can find it.

Well why not show your proof now and challenge him to do likewise from that rhetorical high ground? And also, can you show proof that it's as systematic a practice as you implied as well?

 

[Amadeus85]

Here you can see all those dirty tricks that christians missionaries use in Africa-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gexFYsP33U

 

[islamirama]

Here you can see all those dirty tricks that christians missionaries use in Africa-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gexFYsP33U

i didn't ask for propaganda videos from missionaries. You made the allegations that Muslims use the same tactics, so bring proof to back that statement up.

Before you do, go back to beginning of the thread to see my post of the converts worldwide, that alone disapproves your statement.

while you're at it, maybe you can tell us how all these people converted and what tactics were used?

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[vpb]

Here you can see all those dirty tricks that christians missionaries use in Africa-


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gexFYsP33U

lol

 

[vpb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYBLOxT9b-0

just in one lecture of Khalid Yasin , 22 people converted to Islam.

Allahu Akbar.

 

[Amadeus85]

i didn't ask for propaganda videos from missionaries. You made the allegations that Muslims use the same tactics, so bring proof to back that statement up.

Before you do, go back to beginning of the thread to see my post of the converts worldwide, that alone disapproves your statement.

while you're at it, maybe you can tell us how all these people converted and what tactics were used?

What can i say islamirama, for me all those people who rejected Christ as their only saviour will be judged in the last days.

Besides, here in West it's not hard to convert to islam. I can even say that reverts to islam become popular and often are shown in tv and newspapers as very brave and interesting men. Many of them become popular politicians, artists and activists, for example- Keith Ellison, Yvonne Ridley, Akon, Muhammad Ali.
And how are treated converts from islam to christianity in muslim countries? They rather dont become popstars and famous politics. They often have to hide and can't tell anybody about their conversion.They are often put in arrests for "insulting countries' tradition" just like that egyptian sheikh who become christian.
http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=lead&lang=en&length=long&idelement=4596

You have to consider those facts. God bless those who despite the danger have courage to accept Jesus Christ.

 

[islamirama]

What can i say islamirama, for me all those people who rejected Christ as their only saviour will be judged in the last days.

Besides, here in West it's not hard to convert to islam. I can even say that reverts to islam become popular and often are shown in tv and newspapers as very brave and interesting men. Many of them become popular politicians, artists and activists, for example- Keith Ellison, Yvonne Ridley, Akon, Muhammad Ali.
And how are treated converts from islam to christianity in muslim countries? They rather dont become popstars and famous politics. They often have to hide and can't tell anybody about their conversion.They are often put in arrests for "insulting countries' tradition" just like that egyptian sheikh who become christian.
http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display.php?page=lead&lang=en&length=long&idelement=4596

You have to consider those facts. God bless those who despite the danger have courage to accept Jesus Christ.

what more can one say about a religion where they take a fellow man as their god?

 

[vpb]

what more can one say about a religion where they take a fellow man as their god?

subhanallah, how can they ascribe such things to God, I mean just for instance if you think , a man needs to eat, and when he eats he needs to go to...... ?? astagfirullah . how could God do that? subhanallah, Allah swt is High from the things that they prescribe him.

Sahih Bukhari , Volume 9, Book 93, Number 475: Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari:
The Prophet said, "None is more patient than Allah against the harmful and annoying words He hears (from the people): They ascribe children to Him, yet He bestows upon them health and provision .

What can i say islamirama, for me all those people who rejected Christ as their only saviour will be judged in the last days.

how will you be judged when the sins of people have already been paid? how can there be judgmenet where your religion is not based on 'making more good deeds' as Islam is. you just need to believe in Christ that he was killed for your sins and that's it. You are saved.

 

[Amadeus85]

what more can one say about a religion where they take a fellow man as their god?

If you think that Christ was only a man you completely dont know anything about christianity.

 

[islamirama]

If you think that Christ was only a man you completely dont know anything about christianity.

Adam qualifies more than jesus to be god since he was born without a mother or father, came directly from heaven, is the father of all humanity

oh wait a minute, now its starting to sound like pagan roman believes of zeus and herculius and all that mumbo jumbo.

well that's paul's religion for you!

 

[vpb]

Besides, here in West it's not hard to convert to islam. I can even say that reverts to islam become popular and often are shown in tv and newspapers as very brave and interesting men. Many of them become popular politicians, artists and activists, for example- Keith Ellison, Yvonne Ridley, Akon, Muhammad Ali.
And how are treated converts from islam to christianity in muslim countries? They rather dont become popstars and famous politics. They often have to hide and can't tell anybody about their conversion.They are often put in arrests for "insulting countries' tradition" just like that egyptian sheikh who become christian.
http://www.compassdirect.org/en/disp...elemen t=4596

dude, are you talking about one person? go to youtube and type muslims converts, christian converts, hindu converts or even just the word convert and the whole page is about 'to islam , to islam, ...." and these are just videos, what about thousands of people that don't record themselves. even the chance for muslims who come on christian lands to conver to christianity should be higher then christian from chrisitan land converting to islam. you trying to say "hey i have a opel, it goes as fast as ferrari" . lol i can't believe you people close your eyes and pretend that you are doing well . lolllll

 

[Amadeus85]

subhanallah, how can they ascribe such things to God, I mean just for instance if you think , a man needs to eat, and when he eats he needs to go to...... ?? astagfirullah . how could God do that? subhanallah, Allah swt is High from the things that they prescribe him.

Yes of course and Jesus Christ also got tired, sweat, was thirsty and hungry. But on the other hand He healed the people, multiply food,walked on water, raise man from dead, forgave sins, and finally He was killed and resurrected.
Because Jesus Christ simply had two natures while he was on Earth. Human and divine nature. He did the things that people do but also he did the things that only God could do. Im sure that other christians in this forum explained this better than me many times before, so you can just check what they said.


Sahih Bukhari , Volume 9, Book 93, Number 475: Narrated Abu Musa Al-Ashari:
The Prophet said, "None is more patient than Allah against the harmful and annoying words He hears (from the people): They ascribe children to Him, yet He bestows upon them health and provision .

how will you be judged when the sins of people have already been paid? how can there be judgmenet where your religion is not based on 'making more good deeds' as Islam is. you just need to believe in Christ that he was killed for your sins and that's it. You are saved.

Yes, but not all people will be saved, only those who accept Christ as their Lord and saviour. So those converts that islamirama mentioned won't be saved, because they knew the Truth and still rejected it.

It is of course what we, christians believe. You don't have to.

Have a nice day.

 

[vpb]

Yes, but not all people will be saved, only those who accept Christ as their Lord and saviour. So those converts that islamirama mentioned won't be saved, because they knew the Truth and still rejected it.

It is of course what we, christians believe. You don't have to.

but how come you need for a judgement day, when you believe that when the time comes good people will dissapear and bad people (who rejected Jesus pbuh) will stay on earth and be punished? if you know the answer if a criminal committed the act or not, there is no need to go through the judgement process, but simply you put the criminal in jail, so why is there a need for a judgement day when you simply have "believe in Jesus, go to heaven, not beliving him, go to hell".... open your eyes dude

 

[islamirama]

Yes, but not all people will be saved, only those who accept Christ as their Lord and saviour. So those converts that islamirama mentioned won't be saved, because they knew the Truth and still rejected it.

It is of course what we, christians believe. You don't have to.

Have a nice day.

"I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." (John 20:17 RSV 1952)

"Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone." (Mark 10:18)

"I can do nothing of my own authority" (John 5:30)

"I do as the Father has commanded me." (John 14:31 RSV)

"The words that I say to you I do not speak of my own authority." (John 14:10 RSV) "I do nothing of my own authority but speak thus as the Father has taught me." (John 8:28 RSV)

"The Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 RSV)

“God raised him up.” (Acts 2:24)


Have a nice day

 

[Amadeus85]

Adam qualifies more than jesus to be god since he was born without a mother or father, came directly from heaven, is the father of all humanity

oh wait a minute, now its starting to sound like pagan roman believes of zeus and herculius and all that mumbo jumbo.

well that's paul's religion for you![/QUOTE

You more and more confirm me that you completely dont understand Jesus' Christ life and message. But it's ok, there is hope also for people like you islamirama. For now, lets just stick with our own theories and rather get back to the topic.

 

[vpb]

The thing with Chrisitanity is the same old thing as the pagans at the time when Muhammed saws lived, except they you have a more complex concept which is trinity which everyone fails to explain. Pagans said that there is One God , they didn;t reject God, but they worshiped statues so through them they can get closer to God, same thing is with you , you worship God through Jesus , any difference?
have you ever thought deeply about the statement
"God has a son" ??