Is Israel Lying?

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I wonder if that's anything to do with them murdering their political opposition...

Hamas regularly kills members of Fatah and others that oppose them.


Peace...

It seems you dont understand that this thread is about "Is Israel Lying!"

You wonder wrong!!
When Hamas won the elections, Israel hated it, cause it wasnt what they wanted...it was perfectly democratic, so Israel cause rift between Hamas and Fatah!

Stop spreading propaganda!! Israel drop the lies!!!!

As Sister Harb said:

"OPEN OUR BORDERS

GO AWAY

STOP TO KILL PALESTINIANS

Is it too much? "

Peace...
 
Stop spreading propaganda!! Israel drop the lies!!!
My apologies, the noble warriors of Hamas have vanquished the vile hordes of Pigsrael and won a free and fair election of the people. I will only believe news from sources run by Muslim brothers of Arabic heritage, all others are in league with the Zionists.
 

incase you didnt realize, two of your links occured during a war between hamas and fatah, a war which fatah started on the behest of the USA to make a coup against hamas.

the third link your quote well it seems these fatah snakes were labeling the hamas members as Shia, and if hamas did shoot them for that then good on them, this is part of the zionist american agenda to divide and conquer the Muslims, all of a sudden Shias are becomming a problem for Palestine? no, this shia iran issue is being brought up to move away from the real threat of Israel, so the fact u have stupid fatah members saying shia shows how brainwashed they are, and indeed they shud be blotted out, need i remind everyone that this type of secetarian strife leads to alot of deaths amongst the Muslims, so indeed it would be the duty of the Muslims to silence those who seek to cause secetarian problems, especially in a country where it doesnt exist, Palestine.

indeed why would Shias become an agenda all of a sudden? does that make any sense? this is clear proof of how these fatah puppets are being brainwashed by the Americans. good job Hamas.
 
incase you didnt realize, two of your links occured during a war between hamas and fatah, a war which fatah started on the behest of the USA to make a coup against hamas.

the third link your quote well it seems these fatah snakes were labeling the hamas members as Shia, and if hamas did shoot them for that then good on them, this is part of the zionist american agenda to divide and conquer the Muslims, all of a sudden Shias are becomming a problem for Palestine? no, this shia iran issue is being brought up to move away from the real threat of Israel, so the fact u have stupid fatah members saying shia shows how brainwashed they are, and indeed they shud be blotted out, need i remind everyone that this type of secetarian strife leads to alot of deaths amongst the Muslims, so indeed it would be the duty of the Muslims to silence those who seek to cause secetarian problems, especially in a country where it doesnt exist, Palestine.

indeed why would Shias become an agenda all of a sudden? does that make any sense? this is clear proof of how these fatah puppets are being brainwashed by the Americans. good job Hamas.

So Al Ghazali should have just killed Ibn Rushd rather than just refute him?
 
My apologies, the noble warriors of Hamas have vanquished the vile hordes of Pigsrael and won a free and fair election of the people. I will only believe news from sources run by Muslim brothers of Arabic heritage, all others are in league with the Zionists.

you are quite silly, there were international observers during the vote, we asked for proof, and you couldnt bring any, instead you brought links that happened durring a war AFTER THE ELECTIONS.

so not its not the Muslims of Arab heritagte saying this, international none Muslim european observars are saying it.
 
So Al Ghazali should have just killed Ibn Rushd rather than just refute him?

can you stick on point instead of going into a point of time which was very different to whats going on in Palestine? why not reply to the point, why go on some stupid silly comparison which is not even comparable, why?
 
My apologies, the noble warriors of Hamas have vanquished the vile hordes of Pigsrael and won a free and fair election of the people. I will only believe news from sources run by Muslim brothers of Arabic heritage, all others are in league with the Zionists.

Peace...

LOL!!! The only news you seem to believe is the one that suits you. Like the media, showing a blind eye, the news you want.........

.........is the news with all the filled propaganda.

Hamas was chosen democratically to represent Palestinians in the 2006 Parliamentary elections. Hamas was able to secure for itself more than the minimum required 50% of seats in a 78%-turn-out-election that was described as fair and clean by observers.

As Guardian states...

"Democrats will rightly applaud the 78% turnout in Wednesday's elections to the Palestinian parliament, which were remarkably fair, free and peaceful. George Bush and Tony Blair, who set such store by promoting democracy in Iraq and (selectively) elsewhere in the Middle East, should be delighted. The only problem is the result: preliminary figures show a stunning victory for the Islamic Resistance Movement, Hamas"

Apologies accepted :)

Is Israel lying? >>>>> 100% YES

Peace...
 
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can you stick on point instead of going into a point of time which was very different to whats going on in Palestine? why not reply to the point, why go on some stupid silly comparison which is not even comparable, why?

I am replying to your point, how is it not comparable?
 
I'm not going to defend Hamas but you claimed they won the elections, in part, by killing their political opposition. All the articles you cited were about events after the elections.
You may have read it like that but that's not actually what I said. I said "I wonder" because although we'll never know exactly who did what to who beforehand, Hamas's fondness for murder and intimidation is clear from reported events that have happened before and since and that makes me a little sceptical.

After winning a free election by a landslide they proceed to dismantle the opposition by force? Why would any successful political party need or want to do that?
Voter surveys predicted an outcome of 35% Hamas and they obtained 60%, an amazing difference in statistical terms.
The_Prince said:
good job Hamas.
wth1257 made a reasonable point. Maybe we should just have everybody killed who doesn't agree with your politics or those of Hamas?
Najm said:
LOL!!! The only news you seem to believe is the one that suits you. Like the media, showing a blind eye, the news you want.........
Could you tell me why any sources I quote must be wrong and any you quote must be right? How do I tell the difference, the ones who say mean things about Hamas are wrong, and the ones who say good things are right, is that it?
 
You may have read it like that but that's not actually what I said. I said "I wonder" because although we'll never know exactly who did what to who beforehand, Hamas's fondness for murder and intimidation is clear from reported events that have happened before and since and that makes me a little sceptical.

After winning a free election by a landslide they proceed to dismantle the opposition by force? Why would any successful political party need or want to do that?
Voter surveys predicted an outcome of 35% Hamas and they obtained 60%, an amazing difference in statistical terms.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804
 
Could you tell me why any sources I quote must be wrong and any you quote must be right? How do I tell the difference, the ones who say mean things about Hamas are wrong, and the ones who say good things are right, is that it?

Peace.......

the sources you quoted that particular time it must be said.......... everyone and including me got the idea that...........the Hamas vs Fatah issue happened before the elections, and it didnt........ but due to you slipping the news under the carpet, showing us great propaganda..... it was a great show!!!

Hamas won the elections cleanly, everyone agrees, apart from your " i wonder" comment. After the elections, US-Israel, decided to make it more democratic, by trying to dismantle Hamas. The only "democratic elections" they want is the one that would suit them. Bad Luck.

Peace.....

 
That's fair enough if the elections were fair and Hamas were averting a coup.
It doesn't really address whether the elections and vote counting were fair though. It seems odd to me that Ahmadinejad rises to power from being a significant underdog ( in what many see as a blatantly rigged election), then a few months later his favourite group of anti-Zionist militants do the same thing.

Don't take any of this the wrong way, I'm not some kind of Torah waving Arab hater, I'm just trying to make sense of the situation.

Najm said:
the sources you quoted that particular time it must be said.......... everyone and including me got the idea that...........the Hamas vs Fatah issue happened before the elections, and it didnt........ but due to you slipping the news under the carpet, showing us great propaganda..... it was a great show!!!

Hamas won the elections cleanly, everyone agrees, apart from your " i wonder" comment. After the elections, US-Israel, decided to make it more democratic, by trying to dismantle Hamas. The only "democratic elections" they want is the one that would suit them. Bad Luck.
Before the election

Whether elections are fair or not isn't only about whether there is visible violence on election day.
I'm sure you know that there is more international influence in Palestine than just the US.

If Hamas won fairly that's fine by me, the will of the people has been done, but I have my suspicions.
 
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If Hamas won fairly that's fine by me, the will of the people has been done, but I have my suspicions.

it appears you're not accepting it form an ideological standpoint, there is no reason for being suspicious, whenever the 'Islamists' competed in fair elections they've almost always drawn a majority.
what's really suspicious is things like 'president' Abbas's term has ended for several days now, yet he is still president..
 
I honestly wish I could say I am shocked.

It will be a sad day in America if Obama allows Bush to never be investigated for his many, many crimes.imsad

:sl:

I understad your feelings.

May I hug you a moment?
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If Hamas won fairly that's fine by me, the will of the people has been done, but I have my suspicions.

Peace...

The way you have been posting, you have made it clear your "suspicions" only arise when its against yours views.

At least before, you were sure it wasnt fair......Now its "If Hamas won fairly that's fine".....

....Maybe you do have have sense in you.

Peace...
 

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