Is it necessary to follow the salaf?

[- Qatada -]

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The thing that most people need to realise is that the Qur'an and Sunnah are sufficient for us as muslims. But we as humans need living examples and role models to imitate to be successful.

If we never had any life examples, then people could make excuses and say that we can't handle all that is ordered to us (from the Qur'an and Sunnah) and hence - they may turn away. So these examples are also there to prove to us that a person can follow the Qur'an and Sunnah without feeling overwhelmed [because others have also experienced it and been successful insha'Allaah.]


Allaah Almighty knows best.


:wasalamex

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

I understand following the sunnah of the Prophet(saws) and his companions is an obligation. But where is the need to follow the 2 generations that came after them? Is it mentioned in the Qur'an?

I ask this, because Islam was perfected during the Prophet's time. So how could the salaf who came after the companions, have brought anything new?

Shukran.

Simple because Allah was pleased with them all:

[Fath 48:18] Indeed Allah was truly pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you beneath the tree - so He knew what was in their hearts - He therefore sent down peace upon them, and rewarded them with an imminent victory.

Because they understood Islam, they knew Islam. They followed it flawlessly. Therefore it is only logical to follow them to be on the Straight Path.

 

[muslim_friend]

Alhamdulillah.I am satisfied.I also found another verse, that refers to the salaf:

"And whoever acts hostilely to the Messenger after that guidance has become manifest to him, and follows other than the way of the believers, We will turn him to that to which he has (himself) turned and make him enter hell; and it is an evil resort."(4:115)

Learnt a lot from the thread.jazakAllah every1 for all ur good help.

 

[Skillganon]

I fought we all are following the way of the salaf. Anyway, their are people who don't, the innovaters

 

[Woodrow]

I do not think there are any of us, who will ever reach the point where we can not learn from others. All of us are really just beginers in learning what our true De'en is. Some of us are just a bit newer.

Fortunatly, in the past there were some people that had great devotion and learned much. Most of us for various reasons can not or will not devote our lives to studying and living Islam as the entire being of our life. However, we can learn from the writings of those that have. These writings are the Hadeeth and the Salaf. Us newcomers do have difficulty in understanding their role, at the moment it may be sufficient just for us to understand that they are important and we need to learn from scholars what they are.

 

[S_87]

No, they are two different. Salafi Islam is a recent movement that was started in SaudiArabia and India (at the same time)
Allahu'Alam who the Salafi's are. I have only seen a few.

its not a recent movement. what happened in arabia was removing the shirk and bidah that had been put into religion. nothing new was started, rather imam muhammed bin abdul wahhab Rahimullah took out innovation and brought back islam according to what was in Quraan and sunnah according to the understanding of the pious predecessors. this struggle still exists today.
the enemies of islam accused this movement as bringing a 5th school of thought into islam but that is a lie.

- we use the understanding of the salaf not our own understanding

 

[NJUSA]

I'm not going to begin to comment on a man who flunked out of religion school and mouthed off at his professors, that's between him and God. I will, however, comment on this: it distresses me to see people treat Islam like a full-time RPG, disconnected with the ethical and spiritual struggles going on today while trying to get period-appropriate costumes, memorizing lines, and perfecting a re-enactment of something that was never meant to be a role-playing exercise. Islam is a way of life, one characterized by submission to the Divine Will. I would argue that the Divine Will is better served by edifying the world we live in today, not trying to impersonate lives that were never our own, and have long since ended.

 

[Nawal89]

^you have your own whoole version of islam dont you Njusa.

 

[NJUSA]

Yeah, it's mostly based on this book called the Qur'an... heard of it? I could send you a copy if you'd like.

 

[Ibn Abi Ahmed]

I would argue that the Divine Will is better served by edifying the world we live in today, not trying to impersonate lives that were never our own, and have long since ended.

It so happens that these were the people whose lives Allah is pleased with as stated in the Quran. The Quran will lead you to the Prophet, and they both together make up Islam.

Second, the Companions are those whom Allah is pleased with, and therefore it is only logical to follow them to be on the Straight Path because they followed the Prophet (SAW) perfectly, and therefore worshipped Allah perfectly.

"The best of my nation is my generation then those who follow them and then those who follow them." (Saheeh Bukhaaree)

"Do not revile my companions. By (Allah) in Whose Hand my soul is!, if any one of you spends gold (piled up) like (mount) 'Uhud it will not equal a pint of any one of them, nor its half." (al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu-Dawud, at-Tirmidhi Ibn Majah, Ibn Hanbal)

"That the pint of charity any one of them might have given is better than a pile of gold the size of Mount 'Uhud if it is given by anyone who comes after them." (al-Bukhari and Muslim)

 

[Hawa]

I'm not going to begin to comment on a man who flunked out of religion school and mouthed off at his professors, that's between him and God. I will, however, comment on this: it distresses me to see people treat Islam like a full-time RPG, disconnected with the ethical and spiritual struggles going on today while trying to get period-appropriate costumes, memorizing lines, and perfecting a re-enactment of something that was never meant to be a role-playing exercise. Islam is a way of life, one characterized by submission to the Divine Will. I would argue that the Divine Will is better served by edifying the world we live in today, not trying to impersonate lives that were never our own, and have long since ended.

using the lives of righteous muslims of old as examples on how to lead our lives need not be labelled 'impersonation' or 'role-playing', that is being plain old silly!
people love to differ for no reason other than to start an argument, if you do not wish to follow the example of the salaf..dont do so.. just do not try to make a mockery of those who do. I certainly hope when you speak of 'period-appropriate costumes' you are not reffering to the hijaab.. now doesnt THIS remind you of a man who flunked out of religion school and mouthed off at his professors, that's between him and God?

 

[NJUSA]

Alas, I see far more khuff buying among Muslims than I see work to protect the environment, or the interests of children, for example. Many more Muslims can be found using miswak than calling for landmine removal and banning. Very few Muslims have taken up the task of battling illiteracy, especially compared to those calling for an internationally recognized "Halal" symbol.

 

[NJUSA]

using the lives of righteous muslims of old as examples on how to lead our lives need not be labelled 'impersonation' or 'role-playing', that is being plain old silly!
people love to differ for no reason other than to start an argument, if you do not wish to follow the example of the salaf..dont do so.. just do not try to make a mockery of those who do. I certainly hope when you speak of 'period-appropriate costumes' you are not reffering to the hijaab.. now doesnt THIS remind you of a man who flunked out of religion school and mouthed off at his professors, that's between him and God?

You apparently didn't understand a word I wrote. If you care to respond, read it again, ask any questions you need for clarification, and then respond.

 

[Hawa]

Alas, I see far more khuff buying among Muslims than I see work to protect the environment, or the interests of children, for example. Many more Muslims can be found using miswak than calling for landmine removal and banning. Very few Muslims have taken up the task of battling illiteracy, especially compared to those calling for an internationally recognized "Halal" symbol.

well had you put it this way there would be no misunderstanding you would there?
maybe you should re-read your post...gives off the wrong impression

 

[NJUSA]

That was an elaboration, not a restatement. The main statement was contained in the first post, the elaboration in the second. If I were to make this a three paragraph essay, my next post would make a conclusion. It could be simplified even more by simply reading the second paragraph of my first post, which in standard essay format, exposes the theme that I elaborate upon in subsequent sentences and my second post. Now, would you like a third paragraph as a conclusion?

 

[Hawa]

no dear a conclusion is not necessary..nor is there any reason to be rude
you've made your point now why dont you take your bleeding heart and call for landmine removal? im sure your eloquence can be used for something other than drudgery

 

[Mawaddah]

Yeah, it's mostly based on this book called the Qur'an... heard of it? I could send you a copy if you'd like.

Doesnt sound like that from things i've heard you saying. Maybe you should check again.

 

[NJUSA]

Hawa, Mawaddah, the time has come for me to say Asalaamu alaikum to the both of you.

 

[S_87]

Yeah, it's mostly based on this book called the Qur'an... heard of it? I could send you a copy if you'd like.

ahah but see how so many people twist things to suit their needs. look at grave woshipping for example. say it is shirk to a person who does so theyll bring you an ayah from the Quraan supposedly allowing grave worshipping. the same goes for all these different things people think to be part of islam.

so follow the islam that suits your own desires of follow the islam we are supposed to follow?

I'm not going to begin to comment on a man who flunked out of religion school and mouthed off at his professors,

and if that was aimed at my post you are so totally wrong.

 

[NJUSA]

Amani:
Asalaamu alaikum.