Is it ok to admit that something in Islam makes no sense to you?

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There are a couple of things I have read about that on one hand makes no sense at all to me but on the other hand I figure, it's not my job to try to make sense out of it..

like for example, halal slaughter. After reading about how an animal is killed according to halal means, I realized "wow...that causes the animal to suffer a lot." But it's not my job to care if it causes the animal to suffer since that it what God says to do.

Is that ok? It's not like I am saying "this is not right" or refusing to believe in something. It is a matter of "This makes no sense......but ok"
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

Hey, there will be always things that you won't understand in life, and sometimes religion might be one of those things because you haven't either specific knowledge or maybe deeper understanding or nuanced understanding of the subject matter.

In this case, for example, when you mentioned halal slaughter, I disagree: And the reason is specific. I once saw a documentary/video on YouTube (don't know if it's still available as it was some years ago) about halal slaughter that a person with a farm did in what I think or remember was Australia and can't be sure. And he showed how, for example, he would gentle the animal and talk to the animal and tell him that he would be sacrificed in the name of God and I literally saw how the animal in the face of such petting and stroking and talking seemed to "understand" and then just assume the position of being in submission to what was going to happen. I was gobsmacked and amazed. The thing is that you and I believe in the unseen as part of Islam, right? Part of the unseen is understanding that God has chosen what is best and will always choose what is best. Sometimes, as in this case, I was part to what felt like witnessing an amazing thing, but I won't always get to witness it firsthand like that. In cases like that when you won't always get to witness, you have to know that Allah has decreed what is best even if you can't understand it right now and maybe your humility to God will win you God's regard so that God opens for you understanding of what you don't understand. Even now when I wouldn't say I have an amazing iman (faith) as I truthfully don't, I simply sometimes just seem to have things like an understanding opened to me, and I think that is because when I came to this religion, I was an atheist, and I honestly submitted from the heart. I may not be the best Muslim and in fact would simply only say that I *try* to try, but I still see Allah opening things to me of understanding and that is because when I don't have understanding, I accept that I don't have understanding and simply then (whenever I can) make duas (supplications) for an understanding to be given to me. Maybe you can do the same, brother.

This deen is like an ocean. You see the surface of the ocean, and seeing the surface only, you can't have any idea of how deep the ocean is. But once you start swimming in it further, you can feel and see it. Don't go by the surface of things, because Islam teaches us to accept that surface-things are deceiving. The Quran (2:216) says , "But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not."

So, to sum the matter up better: My sheikh (may Allah bless him) used to say that Allah has given a heavenly direction for every little thing, and every aspect of mercy is given and kept in Islam even when we perceive it not with our human eyes.

So, if you say in your heart, "I know not and Allah you know better," you are showing respect for the Almighty and keeping adab (etiquette), and that respect may open to you knowledge that then satisfies your heart Insha-Allah (God-willing).

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

crimsontide06 said:
There are a couple of things I have read about that on one hand makes no sense at all to me but on the other hand I figure, it's not my job to try to make sense out of it..

like for example, halal slaughter. After reading about how an animal is killed according to halal means, I realized "wow...that causes the animal to suffer a lot." But it's not my job to care if it causes the animal to suffer since that it what God says to do.

Is that ok? It's not like I am saying "this is not right" or refusing to believe in something. It is a matter of "This makes no sense......but ok"
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crimsontide06 said:
There are a couple of things I have read about that on one hand makes no sense at all to me but on the other hand I figure, it's not my job to try to make sense out of it..

like for example, halal slaughter. After reading about how an animal is killed according to halal means, I realized "wow...that causes the animal to suffer a lot." But it's not my job to care if it causes the animal to suffer since that it what God says to do.

Is that ok? It's not like I am saying "this is not right" or refusing to believe in something. It is a matter of "This makes no sense......but ok"
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Watch this, and be amazed:


there's more... wanna see more?

Scimi
 
I think it can happen, we are after all humans, sometimes I do not quite understanding the reasoning behind certain things...I suppose this is when faith comes into play when our ability to reason reaches its limits.

If I don't understand something, I leave no corners unturned trying to look for the answer lol, if I still don't understand, I just make dua I can understand at a later date and accept that Allah swt is Just and Merciful, and His every commandment has justice and mercy in it, it's just my limited perception which means I'm unable to see why.
 
:salam:

The Halal Slaughter is the most humane and merciful way to slaughter an animal.

with the help and name of Allah :swt: the animal submits to Allah's :swt: command, and remains in that position, and even if you were to not even touch it and remove yourself, it would remain in that position. In full submission.

Afaik, they cut the trachea and carotid arterys, that way they go into 'coma'. I think.

The animal is given some water to drink, and is taken in a secluded area. The animal must not see the knife or any blood, must face Mecca.

It must be done with excellency (ihsan) and must done in the most humane way.

So the blood is drained fast, and if done correctly, no stress, therefore no stress horomones, therefore healthier meat.

may Allah :swt: forgive me if I erred. Ameen.

And Allah :swt: knows best.
 
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Timi Scar said:
Watch this, and be amazed:


there's more... wanna see more?

Scimi
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In this picture the animals are watching but Islamically they are to be kept away from watching the slaughtering. This is what I understood, may Allah forgive me any mistake.
 
crimsontide06 said:
There are a couple of things I have read about that on one hand makes no sense at all to me but on the other hand I figure, it's not my job to try to make sense out of it..

like for example, halal slaughter. After reading about how an animal is killed according to halal means, I realized "wow...that causes the animal to suffer a lot." But it's not my job to care if it causes the animal to suffer since that it what God says to do.


Is that ok? It's not like I am saying "this is not right" or refusing to believe in something. It is a matter of "This makes no sense......but ok"
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Scientifically, the Islamic way of slaughtering has the least pain. Stunning has terrible pain. In Islam the throat and the big arteries are cut quickly with a very sharp knife which is passed on the neck only once. Blood start flowing fast, brain orders the heart to pump strongly to send blood to brain. The heart pumps strongly but blood flows out and doesn't reach the brain. So due to lack of oxygen the brain dies quickly and pain-feeling ends. Also due to the forceful pumping of the heart, blood is quickly evacuated from the whole body and the meat becomes very clean which is very essential for good health. If the meat has blood in it, then it is cooked and eaten, it is not good for health because blood carries impurities and bacteria etc.
 
@nbegum,

Well for one it's not a "picture" and for two they did not get slaughtered in this video and point three is there are other videos by mercy halal which show that the slaughtered happens in a confined environment - not where other animals can see it done. Point four - I asked if people want to see more vids and no one has expressed an interest yet want to comment on the snapshot which is only one frame in the video...

...you really should take the time to watch the video and then comment otherwise you speak from a position of ignorance.

Scimi
 
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I just got the chance to watch this vid you linked bro Crimson, and she's trapped the poor bird between her legs, whilst petting it... i can show you a video of Muslims killing a chicken in a much better way, without trapping the bird between legs.

watch from the beginning - at 30 secs you will believe:


THAT IS TRUE SUBMISSION TO ALLAH, not trapping a bird between legs and forcing it into a false sense of security.

What is there to doubt akhi? Nothing... even the animals recognise the truth of Islam,

you will see that before the words Allahu akbar the chicken is struggling - but once the words are mentioned - it submits.

Allahu Akbar

Scimi
 
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Assalamu Alaikum

I'd just like to add that halal slaughter is not only about the slaughtering, it's also about how the animal is treated before, during, and after slaughter. In the US, farm animals meant for the "slaughter house" are in horrid conditions and are abused. Chickens get their beaks cut off while they're still alive. Male chicks are killed. Chicken houses are overpopulated and the chickens fed to be larger than they should be. Then after their treatment, they are basically killed inhumanely because it's not about respecting a living creatures life, it's about how to get the most animals killed in the most efficient way possible. And after they are killed, they mix the meat with preservatives and chemicals to make it "look fresh and appetizing" basically poisoning it for human consumption.

EVEN IF halal slaughter was painful for the animal in anyway, that would literally be the one bad day in it's life lol. However, every living creature submits to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala, and there's a reason for slaughtering them in this way, and indeed Allah created animals for our consumption and is the most just and merciful to His creatures.

"Do you not realise that everything in the heavens and earth prostrates/submits to Allah: the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, the trees, and the animals? So do many human beings, though for many others punishment is well deserved. Anyone disgraced by Allah will have no one to honour him: Allah does whatever He wills. " (Qur'an 22:18)​
 
Timi Scar said:
@nbegum,

Well for one it's not a "picture" and for two they did not get slaughtered in this video and point three is there are other videos by mercy halal which show that the slaughtered happens in a confined environment - not where other animals can see it done. Point four - I asked if people want to see more vids and no one has expressed an interest yet want to comment on the snapshot which is only one frame in the video...

...you really should take the time to watch the video and then comment otherwise you speak from a position of ignorance.

Scimi
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I've watched all 3 parts of the video, and SubhanAllah, at first, the animal struggles to free itself, but times later with the help of Allah :swt: the animal submits, and if it wanted to it could go away. Just shows the power of Allah :swt:

The Halal slaughtering way just increases my Imaan, SubhanAllah. :D

Those slaughtered the Islamic way are fortunate, as they are slaughtered facing the Qiblah (afaik)
 
Serinity said:
I've watched all 3 parts of the video, and SubhanAllah, at first, the animal struggles to free itself, but times later with the help of Allah :swt: the animal submits, and if it wanted to it could go away. Just shows the power of Allah :swt:

The Halal slaughtering way just increases my Imaan, SubhanAllah. :D

Those slaughtered the Islamic way are fortunate, as they are slaughtered facing the Qiblah (afaik)
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Allahu Akbar, it surely does make one think how the mercy of Allah transcends all creation, and all creation (barring the unbelieving humans) willingly submit life and limb to Allah.

It's just such a mind blow...

*charisma* said:
Assalamu Alaikum

"Do you not realise that everything in the heavens and earth prostrates/submits to Allah: the sun, the moon, the stars, the mountains, the trees, and the animals? So do many human beings, though for many others punishment is well deserved. Anyone disgraced by Allah will have no one to honour him: Allah does whatever He wills. " (Qur'an 22:18)​
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MIND BLOW.

Scimi
 
I tried to watch the way the disbelievers cut a lamb, well.. The lamb vomited, and they do it in the view of all other lambs to see.

I found that inhumane tbh. Of course one kills the animal while it is alive and conscious, but the way they killed it, was inefficient.

They skin animals alive, and cut their tails etc... Quite sad.
 
Don't forget, today they practice "stunning" with 6000 volts of electricity on chickens, basically giving it a massive electric shock - how is that humane, then while its in shock, they kill it in plain view of the other chickens... this stresses the chickens out.

Do you know what happens to blood when the animal is stressed? it coagulates and clots, so not all the blood is removed and that kinda defeats the purpose of having clean meat.

No matter what they try to sell us, I am more than convinced that scientifically, Islam has the best method for slaughtering animals.

Scimi
 
The Islamic method is not only the most humane and merciful method. But it ensures optimum, and maximum healthy meat, as the blood is drained completely

I quote from a comment:

"its of a swift, deep incision with a sharp knife on the throat, cutting the jugular veins and carotid arteries of both sides but leaving the spinal cord intact.Sharpen your blade to relieve its pain." Many allegations have been made that Islamic slaughter is not humane to animals. However, Professor Schultz and his colleague Dr. Hazim of the Hanover University,Germany, proved through an experiment, using an Electroencephalogram (EEG - An instrument that records the electrical activity of the brain) and Electrocardiogram (ECG - An instrument that records the electrical current generated by heartbeat) that:

1.. Islamic slaughter is the humane method of slaughter; and,

2.. Captive bolt stunning, practised by the western method, causes severe pain to the animal.

The first three seconds from the time of Islamic slaughter as recorded on the EEG did not show any change from the graph before slaughter , thus indicating that the animal did not feel any pain during or immediately after the incision. For the following 3 seconds, the EEG recorded a condition of deep sleep -unconsciousness. This is due to a large quantity of blood gushing out from the body. After the above mentioned 6 seconds, the EEG recorded zero level, showing no feeling of pain at all. As the brain message (EEG)dropped to zero level, the heart was still pounding and the body convulsing vigorously (a reflex action of the spinal cord) driving maximum blood from the body, resulting in hygienic meat for the consumer.

May Allah :swt: bless us. Ameen.
And Allah :swt: knows best.

 
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crimsontide06 said:
There are a couple of things I have read about that on one hand makes no sense at all to me but on the other hand I figure, it's not my job to try to make sense out of it..

like for example, halal slaughter. After reading about how an animal is killed according to halal means, I realized "wow...that causes the animal to suffer a lot." But it's not my job to care if it causes the animal to suffer since that it what God says to do.

Is that ok? It's not like I am saying "this is not right" or refusing to believe in something. It is a matter of "This makes no sense......but ok"
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For the ones who don't understand the reasoning behind something, they put their faith in Allah and leave it at that. After all, He is The Creator of all right? Once you do find the reasoning behind something, what do you usually do? Glorify Allah because of how much it makes sense once it has been explained to you. Don't forget, we are encouraged to seek knowledge and not accept things just for the sake of acceptance. If you didn't question the reasoning behind the method of slaughtering an animal the halal way, you'd never know why it's done the way it is and you'd always question it while at the same time accepting it 'just because'.

So yes, it is ok to admit something doesn't make any sense.
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

And this was the documentary/video that I'd mentioned, though it seems only a snippet here is provided with 14 minutes instead of the whole. That said, yes, this is the one I'd watched, and it was an awesome watch and experience. Jazakallah khayran for providing that for others to enjoy.

:wa: (And peace be upon you)

Timi Scar said:
Watch this, and be amazed:


there's more... wanna see more?

Scimi
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Stop derailing the thread. He's already cornered, you're beating a dead horse... use your time wisely Search. Wait for pygo to respond or you facilitate a circular argument which beneifts no one and only serves to make you both look kinda weird.

Scimi
 
Ok, let me try and word this better. This thread has become about halal slaughter...etc and that is not even the issue. .

Let's say I read a story about a prophet, see a ruling in a hadith, read a ruling in the Quran...whatever it may be and feel; "Well, that makes no sense at all or that story seems unbelievable..but I will go along and believe in it because God said so, or because Muhammad(pbuh) said so". Is this fine or am I supposed to get to a point where I do not feel that "whatever it is" makes no sense.

Though I believe the answer was already given that it is fine to just say "God knows and I do not"
 

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