Is it OK to listen to other naats/nasheeds?

[Sameera]

Br Hamza,

Assalamualaikum

I totally agree that there is no question about doing shirk, we must avoid shirk as far as possible. Only Allah swt can help us and only He can grant our prayers.

However there is the issue of tawssul in Islam.

Regarding the verses on the Quran about the dead can not hear:

“Verily you cannot make the dead hear and you can not make the deaf hear the call when they turn their backs and retreat.” [Surah an-Naml 27:80]

“The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear.” [Surah Fatir 35:22]

Jazak Allahkhair for pointing this out, but these verses can mean one can not make disbelievers to hear or anyone to hear in the graves, unless Allah swt wills it.

Can you please tell me why are the Prophets are talking to the dead in the Quran verses if they really can't hear?

See also these verses:

[Yusufali 7:78] So the earthquake took them unawares, and they lay prostrate in their homes in the morning!

[Yusufali 7:79] So Salih left them, saying: "O my people! I did indeed convey to you the message for which I was sent by my Lord: I gave you good counsel, but ye love not good counsellors!"

Yusufali 7:91] But the earthquake took them unawares, and they lay prostrate in their homes before the morning!

[Yusufali 7:92] The men who reject Shu'aib became as if they had never been in the homes where they had flourished: the men who rejected Shu'aib - it was they who were ruined!

[Yusufali 7:93] So Shu'aib left them, saying:"O my people! I did indeed convey to you the messages for which I was sent by my Lord: I gave you good counsel, but how shall I lament over a people who refuse to believe!"

Hadith Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

"The Messenger of Allah spoke to the People (buried) in the Well saying: "Have you found out that what your Lord had promised you is true?" then someone exclaimed: "Are you calling out to the dead!" The Prophet replied: "You do not hear better than they do, except they do not respond."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 452

http://www.********************/answers/can_the_dead_hear/en/chap2.php

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

There is no edit or delete button, so I've edited it again:

Salams,

Can you please tell where did I quote this?

I have not quoted anything of the sort. I am referring solely to Quran verses and hadiths. The scholar who stated this was Ibn Qayyim

Can you please tell me which of the quotes I posted are from "brelvee"?

Brother, I look at the evidence and if there is evidence from the Quran and sound hadith or the sunnah then I will believe whoever it is. You must have heard of the hadith about shaytan telling a man to read ayatul kursi, when he was about to steal something from the house and so the man went to the prophet and the prophet said he was shaytan but right about reciting ayatul kursi? So why should we discriminate against other Muslims when we are ordered by Allah swt to stay united?

Anyone who firmly believes in Allah, and the prophet is the messenger of Allah, is a Muslim.

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb,

It is clear that the website that you quoted below is from brelvee inclined website as only a brelvee would try to prove the permissablity of saying "Ya Rasulallah".

http://www.islamicinformationcentre.co.uk/alsunna1.htm

Also you pasted those quotes to imply Rasulallah (Pbuh) can hear us that is why i said to you not to be inclined to think like the brelvees do as many of their beliefs are heretical and erronious and have already been clearly refuted by scholars of Ahlus Sunnah Wal jama'ah.

Sister we have not got adequate knowledge to translate the Qur'an and Sunnah how we please. That is why we refer to knowledgable and reliable scholars. If we started interpreting Qur'an and hadith by ourselves then there would be a million times more misguided people in this world than there already are. That is why Allah tells us in the Qur'an that if you do not know then refer to those who know and those who know are the scholars.

Sister your analogy of connecting shaythan in giving the man knowledge of aytul Kursi and getting knowledge from misguided people does'nt make sense. My sister we are one ummah and Allah almighty and Rasulallah (Pbuh) told us to stay united and hold firmly to the flag of Islam but Unfortunatley there are MANY misguided and individuals and groups out there who claim to be on the right path and they also try to mislead others.

This is something we should not allow. We should stick to authentic Islam and NOWHERE is authentic Islam are the heretical and erronious beliefs of brelvees found because what they believe is shirk and bida'ah and if you say you want to stick to Qur'an and Sunnah then why do you take from those who commit bida'a?

Surely whatever is not found in the Qur'an and sunnah is an innovation and Rasulallah (Pbuh) urged us to keep well away from those who innovate!

There are a number of authentic narrations relating the Prophet’s address to the corpses of the mushrikeen (polytheists) of Quraysh who were slain by the believers in the Battle of Badr and then thrown into a dried well.

Abu Talhah reported: “On the day of the Battle of Badr, Allah ’s Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) ordered that the bodies of twenty-four leaders of the Quraysh be thrown into one of the foul, abandoned wells of Badr. On the third day after the battle the Prophet called for his mount and saddled it. Then he set out, so his companions followed him. They said amongst themselves, “He must be going to something important.” When the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) arrived at the well, he stood at its edge and began addressing those therein by calling upon them by their names, “O so and so, son of so and so; and you, so and so, son of so and so! Would it not have been easier to have obeyed Allah and His Messenger? We have found that which our Lord promised us to be true. Did you find what your Lord promised you to be true? Thereupon ‘Umar said, “O Messenger of Allah , what are you saying to these bodies without souls?! Do they hear? For Allah , the Majestic and Mighty, says, “Verily, you cannot make the dead hear.” [Surah an-Naml 27:80] The Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) answered, “By Him in whose hand lies the soul of Muhammad, you did not hear better than them and what i just said.” Qatadah added: “Allah brought them back to life (momentarily) in order to make them hear as a means of scorn and belittlement and [so that they would feel] regret and remorse.”
[Authentically related by al-Bukhari and Muslim]

In another narration of this incident there is a slight variation in the wording of the text which follows:

“Ibn ‘Umar related: “The Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) stood at the edge of a well at Badr and said, “Did you find the promise of your Lord to be true?” Then he added, “Verily at this moment they hear what I am saying.” Later on, this was mentioned to ‘A’ishah, whereupon she commented, “What the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) meant was, “Now they know that what I used to tell them is the truth.” Then she recited, “Verily you cannot make the dead hear,” [Surah an-Naml 27:80] up to the end of the verse.”
[Related authentically by al-Bukhari and others]

Some often misconstrue the texts of the two aforementioned hadiths as proof for the contention that the dead can hear. However, the following argumentation refutes such a claim.

This miraculous circumstance in which the corpses of the slain Quraysh were made to hear the Prophet’s address to them is a special case – an exception to the general rule that the dead do not hear. By a miracle, Allah , the Almighty, made them hear the scolding from the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) – only for the moment he spoke to them! This is clearly proven by the second narration itself, for their hearing was said to be conditioned by the moment when the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) called out to them in scorn and rebuke. He said, “At this moment they hear what I am saying.” Furthermore, in the first narration the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) does not deny ‘Umar’s sound understanding of the verse’s general ruling that the does do not hear. Rather, the Prophet (salallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) merely clarifies for ‘Umar that what occurred at Badr was a divine miracle and, therefore, an exception to the general ruling of the verse.

 

[Sameera]

It is clear that the website that you quoted below is from brelvee inclined website as only a brelvee would try to prove the permissablity of saying "Ya Rasulallah".

http://www.islamicinformationcentre.co.uk/alsunna1.htm

Salams,

You are incorrect to pick on only one link and leave out the rest of the info. I have not quoted anything unislamic, as I have quoted numerous Quran and authentic hadiths from different sites, which even you agree to. And it seems that you haven't really read or understood them, except only in context of what your own scholars say. Different scholars have differences of views and opinions.

I am sorry but I do not agree with you defaming other Muslims as I do not think this is Islamic to cause disunity. I am neither a breveli or a shia and I have no "anology" or agenda. I am simple Muslim trying to follow Allah swt and the messenger pbuh.

Although I do agree that we should be careful of not commiting any shirk (association to Allah in worship), I am not convinced of your arguments against others and unfortunately I have no more time available to spend on this subject.

Wasalam

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Salams,

You are incorrect to pick on only one link and leave out the rest of the info. I have not quoted anything unislamic, as I have quoted numerous Quran and authentic hadiths from different sites, which even you agree to. And it seems that you haven't really read or understood them, except only in context of what your own scholars say. Different scholars have differences of views and opinions.

I am sorry but I do not agree with you defaming other Muslims as I do not think this is Islamic to cause disunity. I am neither a breveli or a shia and I have no "anology" or agenda. I am simple Muslim trying to follow Allah swt and the messenger pbuh.

Although I do agree that we should be careful of not commiting any shirk (association to Allah in worship), I am not convinced of your arguments against others and unfortunately I have no more time available to spend on this subject.

Wasalam

Sister it is very easy for ANYONE to pick up hadith and quote them out of context not even wanting to understand what they mean and what their deeper meanings are.

In an ideal world we would all love unity but unfortunatley sister in the real world there are ALWAYS going to be different factions or groups believing different things.

There is no use being under an illusion that this is'nt the case because unfortunatley there will ALWAYS be people who will misinterpret hadith and Qur'an to suit their own whims and desires and what they want the verses or hadith to mean.

This is why is is essential to follow the right scholars and the majority and consensus of the ulema and scholars of Islam is that Rasulallah (Pbuh) is NOT everywhere and CANNOT hear us wherever we are and we CANNOT say "Ya Rasulallah".

Can you quote us which scholars - if they are scholars- have stated otherwise?

Now it is upto you to believe what you want to believe but the facts are the facts and you as a lay person CANNOT our of your little knowledge dispute what the sahaba, salaf-us-saaliheen and 1500 years of the greatest fuqaha,mufasireen,muhaditheen and scholars have stated and established. Jazakallah khayran.

 

[Ali_slave of Allah]

“The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear.” [Surah Fatir 35:22]

why do you ignore this. dont play arround with the mutashaabihaat stick to the mu7kam

 

[Ali_slave of Allah]

and walahi if the Messenger of Allaah salallahu alayhi wasallam has any authority after this death on this world, meaning if he can do anything in this world, he would have done when Umar radia Allahu 'anhu was killed, if He salallahu alayhi wasallam could do anything he would stop the fitnah that happened between the sahaaba and all the blood that was spilled.

“The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear.” [Surah Fatir 35:22]

indeed the living and the dead are not alike.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

and walahi if the Messenger of Allaah salallahu alayhi wasallam has any authority after this death on this world, meaning if he can do anything in this world, he would have done when Umar radia Allahu 'anhu was killed, if He salallahu alayhi wasallam could do anything he would stop the fitnah that happened between the sahaaba and all the blood that was spilled.

“The living and the dead are not alike. Allah makes whoever he wishes hear, but you cannot make those in the graves hear.” [Surah Fatir 35:22]

indeed the living and the dead are not alike.

Asalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb, jazakallah khayran my brother for establishing the truth.

 

[Insaanah]

We all give salaams to the dead when we visit the graveyard, and to rasoolullah sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, at his blessed raudha, because the dead can hear what is being said in front of them. Is there any authentic evidence of rasoolullah sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam having talked to or invoked the dead in a different country, or in another part of the same country, believing that they could hear him, or any of his companions having done that after his death, or having taught us to do so? I believe that there is no authentic evidence to support such a claim.

Jazaakallah khairan katheeran fiddunyaa wal aakhirah for your corrections brothers.

I think what I erroneously stated above came (in my mind) from the hadith about rasoolullah sallallaahu alaihi wa sallam returning salaams of those who send salaams, and also regarding the fact that the deceased can hear the footsteps of those carrying the bier or walking away. After your posts I did a bit more research, and found the following :

"Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2041, with a hasan isnaad from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) who said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no one who sends salaams upon me but Allaah will restore to me my soul so that I may return his salaams.” This does not mean that he hears the words of the one who sends salaams. Rather it is possible that he comes to know of those salaams when the angels convey that to him. If we assume that he hears the words of the one who sends salaams, this is an exception from the general rule, as in the case of the dead hearing the footsteps of those who carry his bier, and as in the case of the slain kuffaar in the well at Badr who heard the call of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) when he said to them: “Have you found your Lord’s promise to be true? For we have found our Lord’s promise to be true.” (See Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 1/313, 318, 321)."

From Sheikh Salih al-Munajjid: http://islamqa.com/en/ref/21524/dead%20hear

Jazaakallah khairan once again and may Allah forgive me my mistake. Ameen.

 

[unitedmuslim73]

Recently in a debate session, i heard that naats or nasheeds or latmiyat( other names too) found its origin in hadith wer the prophet had allowed people to sing his praise wen he came in madinah.

so what is it about?

 

[maisha]

i dont no wat naats are lol