Is it ok to reject a man's proposal due to low income job?

Thanks for your post brother Saleem. £50,000 isn't THAT much especially when you consider that rent is £2800 a month.

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I know this is outside the scope of your question but, why on Earth would anyone pay 2800 a month in RENT. Wouldn't it be cheaper to go buy a house and actually own it? I don't know what kind of jobs you all have but, I work too hard for my money to go burn it up on some $3,100 rent that I'll never see again.

Anyway I was just using that as an average. It's not really being a gold digger because if through no fault of your parents, you're used to having a little bit of money and buying nice things and live in a nice home etc then when you meet someone you kind of want to still be able to have that style of living right?

I really don't mean to come across as being a gold digger lol this is not my intention.

Sometimes, lowering your standards can put you in a better spot. I grew up "poor" and we lived a very frugal life. Today, I make a great living and I still live a very frugal life. Just because I have money doesn't mean I have to go spend it on a nice house, pay $3100 rent, or buy nice things. I save my money so I don't have to work the rest of my life. Not being distracted by the material things in life will help me achieve that goal, among other things. I wouldn't worry so much about the guy who you find is compatible with you on everything except his financial status and then turn him down for that. Again, lower your standards and rethink your priorities in life. Worrying about the future of yourself and your future family is a valid concern but, money should not be your only concern.


Just for the record, you can live a VERY comfortable life making $56k here in the states. Unless you live in Manhattan or Beverly Hills, I wouldn't necessarily say it isn't THAT much.
 
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I know this is outside the scope of your question but, why on Earth would anyone pay 2800 a month in RENT. Wouldn't it be cheaper to go buy a house and actually own it? I don't know what kind of jobs you all have but, I work too hard for my money to go burn it up on some $3,100 rent that I'll never see again.



Sometimes, lowering your standards can put you in a better spot. I grew up "poor" and we lived a very frugal life. Today, I make a great living and I still live a very frugal life. Just because I have money doesn't mean I have to go spend it on a nice house, pay $3100 rent, or buy nice things. I save my money so I don't have to work the rest of my life. Not being distracted by the material things in life will help me achieve that goal, among other things. I wouldn't worry so much about the guy who you find is compatible with you on everything except his financial status and then turn him down for that. Again, lower your standards and rethink your priorities in life. Worrying about the future of yourself and your future family is a valid concern but, money should not be your only concern.


Just for the record, you can live a VERY comfortable life making $56k here in the states. Unless you live in Manhattan or Beverly Hills, I wouldn't necessarily say it isn't THAT much.

Thank you for that post!

It sort of reminds me of something my mother always tells me. The richer the person, the cheaper they are... >_>; which is true. People who are making massive amounts of money will not spend it carelessly, because they will always want to re-invest. They are also the least concerned about material things, I got into this argument with one of my friends who is into designer clothing, always spending money on clothing that is made and manufactured in the same place... as any other kind of clothing, also worried about having the latest car, the best sun glasses, etc. etc. All of these "external" material things. Then, I know someone else who is very wealthy, I know because of their parents and they are the least concerned about designer clothing, they will not spend money carelessly and they can't stand the "fashion" of purchasing super expensive coffees. They dress the simplest, to the point that you can't see which "brand" they dress in, ((although I am guess it's made in the taylor...)) but the point is that they do not go around showing off material things. The difference between the person who is into designer clothing, wants to show off, feels like they are a product wanting to be bought and sold.... where as the other person, knows their worth, their value and does not care to show off in a material way.

Someone that will come to you with their open bank account, their "wealth" showing off through their pores is materially inclined and their wealth is a recent acquisition. Someone that is more prudent, who is actually wealthier will not show you his bank account, he's not required to share that wealth with you, only to provide you with what is required. They will be MORE CHEAP with you. If you marry someone and you both work towards making your wealth, your husband will be more appreciative of you, indebted to your sacrifices and your kind character.
 
Thank you for that post!

It sort of reminds me of something my mother always tells me. The richer the person, the cheaper they are... >_>; which is true. People who are making massive amounts of money will not spend it carelessly, because they will always want to re-invest. They are also the least concerned about material things, I got into this argument with one of my friends who is into designer clothing, always spending money on clothing that is made and manufactured in the same place... as any other kind of clothing, also worried about having the latest car, the best sun glasses, etc. etc. All of these "external" material things. Then, I know someone else who is very wealthy, I know because of their parents and they are the least concerned about designer clothing, they will not spend money carelessly and they can't stand the "fashion" of purchasing super expensive coffees. They dress the simplest, to the point that you can't see which "brand" they dress in, ((although I am guess it's made in the taylor...)) but the point is that they do not go around showing off material things. The difference between the person who is into designer clothing, wants to show off, feels like they are a product wanting to be bought and sold.... where as the other person, knows their worth, their value and does not care to show off in a material way.

Someone that will come to you with their open bank account, their "wealth" showing off through their pores is materially inclined and their wealth is a recent acquisition. Someone that is more prudent, who is actually wealthier will not show you his bank account, he's not required to share that wealth with you, only to provide you with what is required. They will be MORE CHEAP with you. If you marry someone and you both work towards making your wealth, your husband will be more appreciative of you, indebted to your sacrifices and your kind character.



I don't get why people are making this into a bigger deal than what it really is. If your husband is extremely overweight or already has children or is not affectionate or is boring or is not kind to you or does not earn much money. These are all valid reasons to reject marriage correct? But why is rejecting someone for low income frowned upon? Marry a very overweight man, after all he might lose the weight. Marry a very unaffectionate man, he might learn to be affectionate, marry a boring man that just sits and watches tv all evening, he might turn out to be fun and exciting. These are all ifs and buts... I'm not going to gamble my future on a man that might be x y or z in the future. I would prefer to marry a man which is of an acceptable standard.

Strong deen.
Good looks.
Intelligent.
Affectionate.
Wealthy.
Funny
etc. etc.

I've never once said money is the most important factor but surely we're not all suggesting that it isn't important?! Tell me how a man that earns £30,000 can afford to support himself, his wife and his kids when just the rent for your home is £33,600 a year. And no you can't just go out and buy a home because mortgages are haram so good luck having like £800,000 in your bank to buy a home outright. If you think I'm kidding about the rent, just look at this 2 bedroom flat near where I live... and that is nothing even special.

My family are in London, my friends are in London and I really enjoy living in London therefore I would like to continue living here, is that really an unreasonable request? £2800 is a conservative price as well, you can easily expect to pay £3000 - £4000 a month for a proper family home like a 3 bedroom house. Surely someone here lives in London who can verify what I'm saying... What's the alternative? Move to some random area where I have no friends close by, no family close by and I'm bored all day why he goes out and works?

Lastly I would just like to point out that this isn't about me just wanting a husband to buy me exotic things... no. This is about having enough money to raise a family and all that it entails. Not just having the bare essentials, or is it wrong to want a little more than bare essentials? ^o)
 
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Guys having an annual income of 176000 £ is normal income. 50000 is like bare minimum. Depends where you live tho. So it isn't like she is demanding a whole lot.


at the end of the day. Rizq is from Allah SWT. so do not be disheartened when one day one's income goes down.
Some countries tax people up to 50% now that is a lot.
 
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Well, The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married into money and things turned out ok. But generally it is better to marry a man that is more successful than yourself so you can quit working for money.
 
Is it "wrong" to reject marriage if the man has a low income job / career?
One the one side, as a man you are supposed to do what it takes to succeed financially, it being clearly understood that you do not break the rules in the Quranic text while doing so.

Once you finally manage to succeed, it would obviously be a problem if the fair gender did not particularly take into account the results of your efforts, in expressing their preferences for what type of men they prefer. Being seen as a desirable choice by women, is of course one good reason for men to do what it takes. The whole system would start collapsing, if they didn't. You can imagine that removing this motivation would probably be enough to drastically bring down the levels of output and the existing standards of living. In fact, this is certainly happening already in the pagan world.

There is another problem, however, and a big one for that matter.

You see, people who are substantially more successful than others, obviously think in a different way about lots of things. If they didn't, they would also just be rather average. Therefore, you may find that such people are quite unorthodox. They even sound weird to average people. Especially when these average people are not aware of the fact that they are talking to someone who is actually quite an economic success, they will tend to reject these persons, and try to enforce the orthodoxy of averageness against them, say, the orthodoxy of low-income poverty.

Being poor themselves, those are the views that these women know -- and that they instinctively enforce against others. They are not open-minded. They think that what they know, is pretty much what there is to know. Therefore, the average woman will automatically reject someone like Bill Gates for being a crazy idiot, especially, when she is not aware of the fact that this particular "nerd" is the richest man in the world.

As you can imagine, wealthy people do not particularly like or appreciate their orthodox theology of how to be dirt poor and totally unsuccessful. That way of thinking is considered to be inferior.

It is not really the rich who reject the poor. It is much more the other way around.

But then again, you can still imagine what it feels like to get rejected by people who have otherwise nothing else to show for than their dirty rags and their rampant stupidity. So, indeed, what the hell would we need these people for?

Therefore, marrying up is not that simple.

It is actually a good thing that women from low-income demographics routinely reject relatively wealthy male individuals, simply because they do not know that these men are wealthy, while the only thing that they can see, is that these men are not sufficiently invested in their mentality of the poor, and therefore are not really "normal", with the "norm" being the misguided opinions of the lower-income classes.

Therefore, marrying the poor, is in practice not such an attractive proposition. You would also have to drop your contempt for the way they think, and as far as I am concerned, that is not going to happen any time soon.
 
£25K is livable, if wife is materialistic she NEEDS to marry a rich man, and not marry a poor man and make his life hell.

Do the guy a favour and DON'T marry him.

You can reject a man for any reasons you want, though the prophet has provided his criteria for his ummah to follow.
 
Are you willing to marry a man a just cuz he is rich? If not then, rejecting someone just cuz someone is poor but does have a livable wage is also wrong.

AllahuAlam
 

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