Is it Permissible to Talk to ones Fiancée over the Telephone?

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Even after all the troubles, worries fights and struggles they maintain the relationship, its just a new generation thing... dating/pre-marital business is the worst idea ever.
Arranged is in my opinion.. the only way to a successful marriage

I dont know, maintaining the relationship when it comes to an arranged marriage, specially if its within the family... sometimes I cant help but think that they have to maintain the relationship because of pressure from family etc...(or they feel that they have to) specially in the families that are high on pride and honour :rollseyes

I'm not saying the love is fake, its just a flawed thought I used to have and sometimes still think.
 
I dont know, maintaining the relationship when it comes to an arranged marriage, specially if its within the family... sometimes I cant help but think that they have to maintain the relationship because of pressure from family etc...(or they feel that they have to) specially in the families that are high on pride and honour :rollseyes

I'm not saying the love is fake, its just a flawed thought I used to have and sometimes still think.

well whom i was talking about isnt cousins, isnt related. But they indeed DID have honour, and HONOUR is a beautiful thing! everyone should try to maintain honour, and have a clear idea of just what honour is. Struggling to keep a failing marriage is one of the greatest things i think people can do in this dunya. and to those who struggle in such a way, surely their marriage (If it ends up working) will be far better then those whos marriage started from pre-marital love

wallahu a'lam
 
Allahu A'lam.

By honour I meant the type of honour that is used in the term 'Honour-killings'.

And that is not a good type of honour believe you me :)

But yeh, JazakAllah khayr for your insights.
 
Allahu A'lam.

By honour I meant the type of honour that is used in the term 'Honour-killings'.

And that is not a good type of honour believe you me :)

But yeh, JazakAllah khayr for your insights.

beautiful words are being slaughtered by stupid things like this seriously !


injustice ISNT honour therefore the very term "honour-killing" is an oxymoron IMHO because if your recognised as one who has slaughtered their own how can you be honoured amongst your community? maybe in the past yes



i think we've totally gone off on a tangent here :|

but... defiling a prospect by extreme intermingling is definitly gnna affect the marriage afterwards...
 
injustice ISNT honour therefore the very term "honour-killing" is an oxymoron IMHO because if your recognised as one who has slaughtered their own how can you be honoured amongst your community?

True true, but just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so is honour in the eyes of the one who seeks it. Trying to keep summin going in the name of honour is summin to be aplauded though I guess


but... defiling a prospect by extreme intermingling is definitly gnna affect the marriage afterwards...

For the purpose of this thread, Yup I agree akhee :)
 
you know whats shocking bout that sis


ive seen couples who married this way and live in such a way that people "THINK" from observation that they arent happy. But the actuality is this couple care for each other and love each other from the bottom of their hearts. Obviously it isnt for display.


Even after all the troubles, worries fights and struggles they maintain the relationship, its just a new generation thing... dating/pre-marital business is the worst idea ever.
Arranged is in my opinion.. the only way to a successful marriage

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I agree with everything you said bro, except the last part. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that arranged marriages are 'a' way to successful marriage, not 'the' way? After all, there are halal methods to get married to someone without it being arranged.
 
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I agree with everything you said bro, except the last part. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that arranged marriages are 'a' way to successful marriage, not 'the' way? After all, there are halal methods to get married to someone without it being arranged.

Would you share some methods? Jazakhallah Khair.
 
Would you share some methods? Jazakhallah Khair.

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Maybe you could define what you mean by an 'arranged marriage' first Akhee?

Abdullah came to know Amatullah through College/Uni, he liked what he saw and heard and rather than get into sin he got hold of her wali's number and contacted them and tried for her in the best way he could think of. It all worked out and they got married and lived happily.

Thats an alternative ^^ not sure if they'd all end happily, but then again...we dont know a lot of things do we. Wallahu A'lam

WassalamuAlaykum
 
^ thats still arranged imho, you know what woulda made it love? if Abdullah just couldnt liev without her and HAD to marry her coz SHE is the one :p

but Abdullah knew if the parents never agreed its a no-no, therefore arranged.

imho i wudda approached parents before HER wali, its just common courtesy !
 
Well obviously few would go against the wishes of their parents. I disagree at the 'what would have made it love' part though. Even pursuading his parents would have meant that she was worth it...

But anyway, I'm going off on one

WassalamuAlaykum
 
Would you share some methods? Jazakhallah Khair.

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Sure.

Br. X likes Sr. Y. He does some research, likes what he finds and gets her wali's contact and goes and proposes.

Br. X likes Sr. Y. He becomes good friends with the brother of Sr. Y. He lets him know that he likes his sister, and it goes to the parents and they get married.

Br. X likes Sr. Y. He proposes to her (lets her know of his intentions) directly (while observing proper Islamic etiquette) and asks for the contacts of her wali, which she gives to him. He contacts the wali and they're married later. If she doesn't, then that means she isn't interested in the proposal.

Sr. Y likes Br. X. She proposes to him directly (while observing proper Islamic etiquette). (I.e. "I am interested in marrying you, here are the contacts to my wali if you're interested.")

Sr. Y likes Br. X. She thinks he might like her too. She goes to her dad to let him know, they contact the brother and a few months later they're married.

Sr. Y likes Br. X. She knows the brother's sister and gets information about him through her. She likes it, and once she knows she has a chance of marrying the brother, she goes to her wali. They get married later.

As you can probably tell, I'm very much against the desi style of arranged marriages, (at least for the brothers/sisters who've grown up here, I'm sure it works well back home) where the only thing the two see of each other are like 4 or 5 pics, then once more when they meet the family and she brings the chai, where the compatibility is judged by level of education and how they'll look with each other, and what do you know, they're married like a few months later. I personally could never go through that. I'd have to know that I like the sister, that I'm compatible with the sister in the major areas such as deen, understanding of each other's roles, family, children, etc.

^ thats still arranged imho, you know what woulda made it love? if Abdullah just couldnt liev without her and HAD to marry her coz SHE is the one :p

but Abdullah knew if the parents never agreed its a no-no, therefore arranged.

imho i wudda approached parents before HER wali, its just common courtesy !

It can still be love if Abdullah was seriously in love and couldn't get to be with her. Likewise, it can still be love if he goes to the wali. I'd go so far as to say that it is genuine feelings for the sister that would make the brother go straight to the parents, I mean after all, the father is the wali.

Well obviously few would go against the wishes of their parents. I disagree at the 'what would have made it love' part though. Even pursuading his parents would have meant that she was worth it...

But anyway, I'm going off on one

WassalamuAlaykum

I agree :thumbs_up
 
lol bless sheikh al albani :D

anddd halaal methods lol

let me tell you a truer then true story :embarrass

there was mr x and he knew ms z from back in days, when they both start becomin propa practicin muslimists, they obviously lost contact, so then one day in a sunny day,the sun at its peak and its blazin rays, settin the air on fire :p lol and in such a environment they suddenly met, had a hi hello, and then just didnt talk for the rest of the journey, again this happened a few times and one time they just began start talkin generally hello hi, what you upto nowadays laaa dee daa, and then pops the question are you married, lookin? mr x says "why u askin u interested, im gay" (true story remembaa:p) andd ms z says "yes i am, and if you are here is my house number" mr z was rather shocked, and after buildin up the courage arranged a meetin with her parents and also bought along his parents, and after a few hoo haa daas from ms z father, because he was a bit of a backward, caste believin chap, mr x and ms z are gettin married :D

and another story

mr abc, was strollin around and ms 123, who had recently converted didnt know any masjid or any muslims, and she recognised mr abc from school, and went up to him and asked him, about mosques and muslims in the area, mr abc gave his mothers number, who was a teacher in the mosque, and then after a while mr abc said to his mother, i want to marry ms 123, ask her for me, and now they are happily married with 2 kids, one of whom is bit of a spastick :D

but the moral is halaal ways are possible, its about bein confident and just hangin in there tbh :D
 
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Sr. Y likes Br. X. She proposes to him directly (while observing proper Islamic etiquette). (I.e. "I am interested in marrying you, here are the contacts to my wali if you're interested.")
she'd have to be oooone brave sis to do that :phew:exhausted...
 
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Yup sis ^ but didnt you hear of the hadeeth where a female companion did just that? And she was commended for it? :)
 
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lol no i havnt, pls share...like directly to the guy :?

:wasalamex

Yeah, she offered herself in marriage...I'll try doing a search for it because I cant remember it exactly atm.

WassalamuAlaykum
 
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oh cool, jazakillahu khair :)...wait, was it the lady who offered herself to the Prophet, sallahu aleyhi wa sallam ?
 
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oh cool, jazakillahu khair :)...wait, was it the lady who offered herself to the Prophet, sallahu aleyhi wa sallam ?

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BarakAllah Feeki, yeh! I think it was that one! Do you have the hadeeth? I found one but its not the exact one I first came across:

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 48:

Narrated Hisham's father: Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet for marriage. 'Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33.51) was revealed, " 'Aisha said, 'O Allah's Apostle! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' " (Bukhari)


 
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^nah i thought it was that...but i just remembered it was this :D

Imam Ahmad recorded from Sahl bin Sa`d As-Sa`idi that a woman came to the Messenger of Allah and said, "O Messenger of Allah, verily, I offer myself to you (for marriage).'' She stood there for a long time, then a man stood up and said, "O Messenger of Allah, marry her to me if you do not want to marry her.''
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=33&tid=41951
 
No I found the actual one that I was originally referring to :

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 53:

Narrated Thabit Al-Banani: I was with Anas while his daughter was present with him. Anas said, "A woman came to Allah's Apostle and presented herself to him, saying, 'O Allah's Apostle, have you any need for me (i.e. would you like to marry me)?' "Thereupon Anas's daughter said, "What a shameless lady she was ! Shame! Shame!" Anas said, "She was better than you; she had a liking for the Prophet so she presented herself for marriage to him." (Bukhari)
 

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