is it time for muslims in the west to leave?

[Woodrow]

i agree, the west is not at war with islam per se, as fishman pointed out - but some western countries are involved in killing muslims. so we are all paying for this through our taxes, even those of us who are 100% opposed to what the west is doing.
does this distinction make any difference according to fiqh?

Here in the US we can to a certain extent control what our tax money is used for. The money used for war and/or defence comes out of federal taxes. Those of us with an income below the federal tax limit do not even pay in any federal income tax. My self, I only pay local taxes that go for schools, road maintainence and other local expenses. Some religious groups take an oath of poverty and deliberatly keep their income below the tax level, the Amish are the most noted for that. They do very little transactions among themselves for money, dealing mostly by trading, and keep their income outside of the community to very low income.

Ironicaly a number of the nations that the US is using weapons against have paid in a sizable portion of taxes to pay for those weapons through import taxes. Keep in mind the majority of the worlds food supply comes from America, Australia, Argentina and Canada. Nearly all of the wheat, flour and other grain products used in the mid-east, are produced in the Americas. Chances are if you buy a loaf of bread, a pasta product or something made with flour any place in the world, outside of the US some part of that product was purchased from America and an import tax was paid which bought a bullet.

 

[Dawud_uk]

But the West is certainly not at war with Islam! The pagans of Arabia were at war with Islam. They tortured, murdered and raped anybody who was Muslim. They wanted to exterminate Islam. America just wants a bigger piece of the Middle East. If the West was at war with Islam we would all be in prison or worse, in death camps. I think that some of us should certainly stay here, to help teach Islam and show it to the people. If there is no Islam, then people will just think of it as a strange foreign thing, something dangerous, something that should be stopped. Then the West would really be at war with Islam.

The prophet (pbuh) stayed in Makkah for a long time. He could have left anytime he wanted. But he didn't, he stayed to help preach and convert people to the truth, and only left when things got really bad. If we say we follow the sunnah, why don't we follow this! Let the religious people stay, let them homeschool their children, let them preach and help the masses, and then, if gas chambers and firing squads arrive, then they should leave. And if they die, they are martyrs, because they died preaching Islam, and also died trying to follow another sunnah: the sunnah of making Hijra.

assalaamu alaykum fishman,

unfortunetely i must totally disagree with you, do bush and blair not say they are fighting an evil idiology which seeks to setup a kalifate over the whole muslim world?

do they not fight that? do they not oppress and imprison muslims?
remember jihad is fard until every muslim prisoner unjustly taken is handed back to the muslims.

so if they attack islam and attack the muslims who are trying to establish shariah then they are at war with islam and if we are able we must leave.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

i agree, the west is not at war with islam per se, as fishman pointed out - but some western countries are involved in killing muslims. so we are all paying for this through our taxes, even those of us who are 100% opposed to what the west is doing.
does this distinction make any difference according to fiqh?

Allahu Alim but the rulings of ibn taymiyyah was that those who sided with and didnt distance themselves from their leaders and still lived under them were also valid targets, such as the muslims who lived under the tartars.

Abu Abdullah