Is music a drug?

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Music acts on our emotions and feelings. Drugs act on our emotions and feelings. We generally recognise that the feelings created by drugs are not "real". Does the same apply to music? Is music a drug?

Is Music a Drug?
If we knew what music was and we knew what a drug was, then this question would be easy to answer. But actually we don't know what music is (at least not with any certainty).

So I will approach this question by starting with the definition of "drug", and then I will see if music has some or all of the same properties that define what a drug is.

What is a Drug?
For the purposes of this discussion, I define a drug to be:

A substance, which when consumed by a person, alters the state of mind of that person, as a result of direct action of the substance on the brain or nervous system.
(This is the notion of "mind-altering drug", distinct from the notion of "pharmaceutical" or "medical" drug, although some substances do fall into both categories.)

The final qualification of this definition is important, because in general any substance may alter a person's state of mind when consumed. For example, if I feel thirsty, and I drink water, then I will feel less thirsty. But we recognise this as part of the brain's normal operation, which has the purpose of determining if the body is short of water and therefore needs to consume more water.

In constrast, if you consume alcohol, you might feel "better", but this is not because there is a biological need for alcohol, but rather because the alcohol directly acts on those parts of your brain that attempt to compute what is "better" and what is "worse". Another way to say this is that the feelings generated by alcohol are false feelings, and that although drinking alcohol can make you feel better, you are not really better off, from a biological point of view (which ultimately translates into: does this help long-term reproductive success?). Whereas, if consumption of water makes you feel better, it is because you are better off drinking it, because your body needs water to survive, and depending on circumstances, sometimes it needs more water and sometimes it doesn't need so much water.

Now music isn't a substance, so according to the strict definition of a drug, it isn't a drug. But we can accept a certain amount of poetic license, and consider the question "Is music a drug?" to be a question about the reality or falsity of the feelings that music generates.

Music as Super-Stimulus
According to my super-stimulus theory of music, music consists of contrived "speech" which is a super-stimulus for the perception of musicality, where musicality is a particular perceived property of speech which provides information about the internal mental state of the speaker, which consequently influences the listener's emotional response to the speech of the speaker.

The nature of the contrivance is such that, if this theory is correct, we must judge the feelings created by music to indeed be false. For example, a musical instrument does not have any mental state at all, so any emotional reaction to a perception of that instrument's mental state must be entirely spurious. Even if a musical performer is singing, so that the music is closer to normal speech, the musicality of the singing reflects the abilities of the performer and the song-writer in contriving the musicality, and does not necessarily reflect the true inner mental state of the performer.

Music as Illusion?
If we want to be pedantic, we might say that music is more of an illusion than a drug, in that it acts on perceptual modules in the brain whose purpose is to perform genuine perception, but it provides data belonging to a subset of possible data which the relevant modules are not able to process correctly.

That said, music is the only significant illusion that is generated and consumed for pleasure in a major way. We could interpret entertainment such as motion pictures (i.e. film and television) as a similar form of illusory contrivance, however, in this case the contrivance is one that produces perceptual input that it is almost identical to what the real input would be if the fiction being portrayed was indeed factual. Whereas if we regard music as a type of speech, it is not a realistic imitation of any normal type of speech.

How Strong a Drug?
So if music is a drug, how strong is it? Is it dangerous? Should it be classified on some narcotics schedule as class A, B, C or D?

Speaking entirely from personal experience, I would say that the effect of the strongest music is somewhat greater than that of caffeine, but less than that of alcohol.

Comparison of music with any particular drug is complicated by the fact that the specific effects of music are not identical to that of any drug, and the specific effects of different drugs are also different from each other. (My experiences with mind-altering drugs are somewhat limited, and some readers might know of other drugs that produce effects closer to the actual effects of music – but please don't tell me about it if the relevant drug is illegal.)

For most chemical drugs the effects are proportional to the amount taken, so we could try to more precisely relate the effect of our favourite music with that of a particular amount of (for instance) alcohol taken. The standard way of measuring the amount of alcohol in a person is milligrams per milliliter of blood. Of course most people have not actually had their blood alcohol measured in this way, but it can be estimated as a function of number of standard "drinks" consumed by a person in proportion to their size and body weight. Thus a simple characterisation might be the equivalent of N drinks consumed by a person of normal size and weight.

Even here there are complications relating to tolerance (in the case of alcohol) and boredom (in the case of music). The effects of alcohol are greater if you have not been drinking regularly for weeks or months. The effects of your favourite music may be much greater the first few times you hear it; after that you become somewhat bored by it (especially if you only ever hear it as one particular recording).

So, allowing for all these difficulties, I will make a very rough estimate, and say that the effect of the strongest music might be equivalent to about 1 or 2 standard drinks.

Does Music Ruin Your Liver?
Most drugs have some detrimental effect on the body if taken to excess, and it is a consequence of the false feelings created by drugs that they often are taken to excess. Music is not a substance, so it isn't going to cause the type of damage that drugs cause. But the excessive consumption of music can cause ill-health. The most common example is when too much exposure to overly loud music damages receptor hair cells in the ear, which causes deafness, particularly in those frequencies that occur strongly in the music.

Is Music Addictive?
The precise definition of "addiction" is somewhat problematic, even when applied to drugs. A useful definition is:

A user is addicted to a drug if they have a compulsive need to continue taking it, regardless of the negative consequences of doing so.
For drugs like heroin, the notion of addiction is relatively uncontroversial, although even with heroin there is confusion between the effects of withdrawal symptoms, which drive consumption in the short-term, and the anticipation of the effects of use, which can motivate consumption even in an addict who has gone through detoxification. For a not-quite-so-strong drug like cocaine, it becomes less clear as to where the boundary between regular use and addiction lies. Looking at the more popular alcohol, some people get addicted to it, and some don't. Some types of drug are relatively non-addictive, and some hallucinatory drugs such as LSD aren't really addictive at all.

There is the weaker notion of "psychological dependence", which implies that you will miss not having something, but not to the extent that you would deem yourself to be suffering. I think that might be a fair description of many people's relationship with music.

Can Music cause Delusions?
There is a fuzzy line between illusion and delusion, where the difference lies mainly in whether the subject of the relevant deception realises that they are being deceived. Also some types of delusion exist and are sustained at a higher level (such as "everyone is getting at me"), where the delusion itself seems to alter the interpretation of low-level perceptions in its favour, rather than depending on specific faulty misinterpretations.

Drugs can cause dangerous delusional behaviour, and the classic example of this is when a hallucinatory drug makes someone think they can fly, and they attempt to prove this by jumping from a high place.

Music can be used to rouse people's feelings, particularly in religious and political situations. However the roused feelings usually disappear rather quickly when the music is switched off, which limits the ability of music to single-handedly inspire people to irrational action. But in cases where people want to deceive themselves, then music can play a role in helping to dispel any discomfort caused by doubts and uncertainties about the causes that they want to believe in.

Conclusion
So, is music a drug? The short answer is "yes, sort of". The long answer is that it can be considered similar in the strength and nature of its effects to a mild recreational drug, in that:

It generates "false" feelings.
The maximum level of effect is roughly equivalent to 1 or 2 "standard" alcoholic drinks.
It is not strictly addictive, but may cause psychological dependence.
Excessive consumption can cause some health problems.
Delusional side-effects are fairly limited.

by Philip Dorrell

http://www.1729.com/blog/IsMusicADrug.html

http://whatismusic.info/download.html
 
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anything can be addicting. Even being obsessed with being clean can. You have the will to stop feeding that drug.90% keep feeding it,10% try and out of that 10% approximately on 2% succeed.
 
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anything can be addicting. Even being obsessed with being clean can. You have the will to stop feeding that drug.90% keep feeding it,10% try and out of that 10% approximately on 2% succeed.

I do not see the comparsion between the two. How does obession with cleaning compare to addiction to music? Music has greater influence on your brain and the way you react. Recent, study showed the kind of music people listen to can tell you a lot about their personality and there choices in life. Does that not show the influence music has on individuals? Also, in another study it showed people who are depressed often rely on music so they escape the reality for a little while. But after, the individual is done with listening to whatever they go back to feeling blue some studies show it just makes depression worse. Therefore, people often are addicted to music or television because they never want to leave that few moments of happiness behind. Music and television have taken away the power of thinking from people. No longer are we interested in the reality of the world rather in something which has no value to the world. There is a war going on and people are more interested in the gossip of celebrities. Media and music can alter the way people think. Gangsterism is direct cause of rap music without rap so many black youth probably would not have died and many others. Gothic music is responsible for many school shootings and weird rituals where they kill a person or themselves. Until a person kills himself through cleaning I do not see the comparsion that is made. Even though I do agree people should learn self-control and not obesses over things. But through personal experince I always warn people specially the young ones agiasnt music.
 
If we accept the idea that music is a drug and it influence your thinking, then we have to acknowledge the fact that there are songs that preach peace, respect, kindness, tolerance, etc, which in return influence people to do good.

So it could be argued both ways. Music is nothing more or less than what one decides it to be. The movies play a huge role in gang-violence for it is more graphic and imagery is used.
 
If we accept the idea that music is a drug and it influence your thinking, then we have to acknowledge the fact that there are songs that preach peace, respect, kindness, tolerance, etc, which in return influence people to do good.

So it could be argued both ways. Music is nothing more or less than what one decides it to be. The movies play a huge role in gang-violence for it is more graphic and imagery is used.

Yes, it can thats the great thing about Public forums we can always have different opinions and argue each others points. You need to understand there is also a religious stance agianst music in Islam. The song by Nickelback: "If everyone Cared" its a really good song and very peaceful but if an individual were to listen to the song couple times a day they just lost valuable time of worship. I use to listen to pop and very peaceful music myself but I found it quite waste of my time and I would achieve nothing from listening to these songs. I oppose movies so you just validated my point.
 
Now music isn't a substance, so according to the strict definition of a drug, it isn't a drug. But we can accept a certain amount of poetic license, and consider the question "Is music a drug?" to be a question about the reality or falsity of the feelings that music generates.
Sillly logic.
 
Yes, it can thats the great thing about Public forums we can always have different opinions and argue each others points. You need to understand there is also a religious stance agianst music in Islam. The song by Nickelback: "If everyone Cared" its a really good song and very peaceful but if an individual were to listen to the song couple times a day they just lost valuable time of worship. I use to listen to pop and very peaceful music myself but I found it quite waste of my time and I would achieve nothing from listening to these songs. I oppose movies so you just validated my point.

Salaam Alaikum

I learned that everything has its negatives and positives this includes public forums. It is all about the intentions and what you want to achieve at the end of the day. Music isn’t really my weakness, Alhamduillah. When I was convinced that it was haraam I just stopped listening to it. But I remember listening to music while I wrote my college 6-15 page essay papers. What I noticed was that I would generate thoughts faster and it was like a mind booster, I can’t explain it. The music was defiantly stimulating my brain cells. But now it is the same thing when I listen to the Quran. So I have no idea what it is.

As for the movies, I know there are some decent ones out there, especially those based on a true story. But I mostly enjoy documentaries. 20/20, dateline, 60 minutes, primetime and 48 Hours. I will watch any of those programs.
 
Walikum Salam

Sorry I did not no if you were a Muslim or not because you do not have it displayed.

When I was convinced that it was haraam

Of course, there is something wrong with music for it to be forbidden.

But I remember listening to music while I wrote my college 6-15 page essay papers. What I noticed was that I would generate thoughts faster and it was like a mind booster, I can’t explain it. The music was defiantly stimulating my brain cells.

Interesting!

But now it is the same thing when I listen to the Quran. So I have no idea what it is.

Maybe, it helps you stay more focused and avoid unnecessary thoughts or distractions.

ut I mostly enjoy documentaries. 20/20, dateline, 60 minutes, primetime and 48 Hours. I will watch any of those programs.

I do not like those shows my brother watches dateline I honestly find that show annoying.
 
^ditto.

are clouds actually candy? the moon made of cheese? butterflies made of jam? whales made of horses? and so many other mysterious question never to be answered.

I mean seriously?if you think music is forbidden just post the daleels and then read some refutations of the daleels you just posted, then make up your mind and be done with it, but "does music ruin your liver"?

last time I heard a nasheed my liver felt strange, like it was THERE, you know that feeling? as in I felt I actually trulily HAD a LIVER, and,,it was just THERE, and it was just sitting THERE staring at me, and then it said gimme music! and I said noes, no way, it'll ruin you, but it just SAT there and LOOKED at me,,
with it's eyes,,

oh noes, I think I'ma see the doctor nao.

sorry if this offends :) but I found it hilarious, good luck, and may all our livers stay safe.
 
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I don't know, I love music, most kinds anyways. I listen to music a pretty good amount, especially when riding the bus to and from school, but not as much as I used to cause I am talking a lot to people.
 
^ditto.

are clouds actually candy? the moon made of cheese? butterflies made of jam? whales made of horses? and so many other mysterious question never to be answered.

I mean seriously?if you think music is forbidden just post the daleels and then read some refutations of the daleels you just posted, then make up your mind and be done with it, but "does music ruin your liver"?

last time I heard a nasheed my liver felt strange, like it was THERE, you know that feeling? as in I felt I actually trulily HAD a LIVER, and,,it was just THERE, and it was just sitting THERE staring at me, and then it said gimme music! and I said noes, no way, it'll ruin you, but it just SAT there and LOOKED at me,,with it's eyes,,

oh noes, I think I'ma see the doctor nao.

sorry if this offends :) but I found it hilarious, good luck, and may all our livers stay safe.

hmmmmmn.. your organs don't feel visceral pain, unless of course it is a stretch on the liver capsule or through contractions like in the uterus.. but you can't say oh my liver oh my pancreas .. ..
pain in the pancreas for instance may give you what is called a referred pain which will be perceived as radiating to the back given that the pancreas is mostly a retroperitoneal organ.. many different types of pain somatic, referred (to where they were located in the embryonal stage)...

what is the point of all of this you ask? I just felt like it.. and for all the malingerers out there.. most doctors know their dermatomal and sclerotomal distributions so don't go to hospitals faking for whatever reason.. :hmm:

waslaam khitam
 
Music acts on our emotions and feelings. Drugs act on our emotions and feelings. We generally recognise that the feelings created by drugs are not "real". Does the same apply to music?

If emotions and feelings created by music aren't 'real' then exactly the same is true of those created by paintings, literature, film, even architecture (particularly of religious buildings!). Stimulating such feelings is the whole purpose of art.
 
Agreed. I can see where they come from.

But that doesn't include Nasheeds, right? :skeleton:

I know few people that are addicted to nasheed the same way some people are addicted to music. I personally never really liked nasheed because most of them are in arabic I do not understand arabic that well.
 
I know few people that are addicted to nasheed the same way some people are addicted to music. I personally never really liked nasheed because most of them are in arabic I do not understand arabic that well.

TONS and TONS of english nasheeds too brother. :p
 
Music acts on our emotions and feelings. Drugs act on our emotions and feelings. We generally recognise that the feelings created by drugs are not "real". Does the same apply to music? Is music a drug?
Is good literature a drug then? Or good sculpture? Or good architecture? Et cetera.

We sometimes overthink things in our occasionally pointless scramble to 'justify' rulings that are quite simple.
 
Is good literature a drug then? Or good sculpture? Or good architecture? Et cetera.

We sometimes overthink things in our occasionally pointless scramble to 'justify' rulings that are quite simple.

You just reworded a comment posted previously. Of course, if you just read snippets from the articles it will make no sense. Besides, I did not write the article just found it interesting and decided to post it so I can share it with everyone else. If you really want to argue with someone go argue with the author. I am not here to justify his stance on music
 
What is a Drug?
For the purposes of this discussion, I define a drug to be:

A substance, which when consumed by a person, alters the state of mind of that person, as a result of direct action of the substance on the brain or nervous system.
(This is the notion of "mind-altering drug", distinct from the notion of "pharmaceutical" or "medical" drug, although some substances do fall into both categories.)
Salam,

By this definition even Quran also could be called as a drug which affects us positively. It depends on what type of music you listen to. If you listen to good music that will alter your mind positively. For instance, listening to national anthem in a victory ceremony can make someone very emotional. Listening to a patriotic song can boost the morale or the soldiers in the battlegroud. Mothers and nannies sing songs to small babies when they cry and they stop crying. By this definition Music could be called as a drug. However, similar like a knife could be used to someone and also to cut vegitables, music also if not used in a good sense it could harm an individual.

wassalam
 

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