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Me to , I never had a song stuck in my head during prayers.
I thought I would share with you all this explanation I heard from A scholor on Islam channel tonight, he gave what I believe is the best most explained answer I have ever heard on 'IS MUSIC HARAM ?'
Basically he said that it depends what type of music it is (will explain further for all those getting mad saying nooo all music is haram) If you listen to words that are haram or music that makes you want to act haram, then it is haram.
If you are listening to music that makes you act and think halal , then the music is halal.
Based on the music today which in its various forms it can be seductive, rebellious, hatefull, lusting ,relaxing ect ect.
99.5% of music you will find its haram, but there will be music that is halal, songs with music praising Allah (nasheeds), music on adverts (pending on if the advert is halal)
Music on the news, ect ect if that music is not having a bad effect on you and is not promoting something HARAM then it is halal.
TV's some say they are HARAM aswell, BUT if you watching something on the TV that is not HARAM, then the TV becomes HALAL.
The scholor went on to say that he knows we will say what about the hadiths referring to music being haram, and the scholor said that there is difference of opinon between scholors on these hadiths, but one school of thought said of the hadiths regarding music being haram, that a certain number were weak, a certain number were not autherntic and ONE was not clear on weather music was prohibited .
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Music was prohoibited becuase of its connection to evil things, SO basically if music is not connected to anything EVIL and HARAM ,then yalla do not feel guilty when we enjoy our nasheeds !
His explanation makes sense to me .
Me to , I never had a song stuck in my head during prayers.
I thought I would share with you all this explanation I heard from A scholor on Islam channel tonight, he gave what I believe is the best most explained answer I have ever heard on 'IS MUSIC HARAM ?'
Basically he said that it depends what type of music it is (will explain further for all those getting mad saying nooo all music is haram) If you listen to words that are haram or music that makes you want to act haram, then it is haram.
If you are listening to music that makes you act and think halal , then the music is halal.
Based on the music today which in its various forms it can be seductive, rebellious, hatefull, lusting ,relaxing ect ect.
99.5% of music you will find its haram, but there will be music that is halal, songs with music praising Allah (nasheeds), music on adverts (pending on if the advert is halal)
Music on the news, ect ect if that music is not having a bad effect on you and is not promoting something HARAM then it is halal.
TV's some say they are HARAM aswell, BUT if you watching something on the TV that is not HARAM, then the TV becomes HALAL.
The scholor went on to say that he knows we will say what about the hadiths referring to music being haram, and the scholor said that there is difference of opinon between scholors on these hadiths, but one school of thought said of the hadiths regarding music being haram, that a certain number were weak, a certain number were not autherntic and ONE was not clear on weather music was prohibited .
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Music was prohoibited becuase of its connection to evil things, SO basically if music is not connected to anything EVIL and HARAM ,then yalla do not feel guilty when we enjoy our nasheeds !
His explanation makes sense to me .
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good point...I'm trying to separate the content of music from the musical sounds/instruments themselves.
1. Content: Can talk about haram or halal things. In this instance it's no different from simply having a discussion containing haram or halal topics.
2. Sounds/Instruments: There is music without any vocals (content)...such as classical music. The point I am trying to satisfy is that there is nothing inherently/intrinsically sinful with the playing or listening to musical instruments in and of themselves. If one supplants such behavior as higher in importance to salat or Islamic obligation, then that action is sinful.
Most muslims who contend that musical instruments are haram refer to the same hadith over and over (which has debatable authenticity/interpretation)...which doesn't even clearly say that musical instruments are to be forbidden.
As Muslims, we follow the Quran first and foremost...then refer to tested hadiths. We do not follow any other text as a source of Islamic guidance. If we label things because some early scholars or schools of thought did so, that doesn't make it any more accurate than a scholar of today's times.
Salam alaikum.
good point...I'm trying to separate the content of music from the musical sounds/instruments themselves.
1. Content: Can talk about haram or halal things. In this instance it's no different from simply having a discussion containing haram or halal topics.
2. Sounds/Instruments: There is music without any vocals (content)...such as classical music. The point I am trying to satisfy is that there is nothing inherently/intrinsically sinful with the playing or listening to musical instruments in and of themselves. If one supplants such behavior as higher in importance to salat or Islamic obligation, then that action is sinful.
Most muslims who contend that musical instruments are haram refer to the same hadith over and over (which has debatable authenticity/interpretation)...which doesn't even clearly say that musical instruments are to be forbidden.
As Muslims, we follow the Quran first and foremost...then refer to tested hadiths. We do not follow any other text as a source of Islamic guidance. If we label things because some early scholars or schools of thought did so, that doesn't make it any more accurate than a scholar of today's times.
Salam alaikum.
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My brothers/sisters after a long time i am writing in the forums, but i was checking up this site time and again.... bak to this music business... Al- Awlaki states in his hereafter set a very authentic story regarding a man who was going through the period of sakraat al mawt. Music being played in the backgrouns and a pious person was passing by and said to the ppl of his house "dont u have any shame, this mans dying and you lot are playing songs?" so the ppl of the house took the music out and put quran on instead and the man dying said "no quit this thing put the music back on!!!!!" My brothers this story i've heard is not just from al= awlaki who resides in yemen at the moment, but have heard many a times by eastern shaykhs.
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Authenticity of music being haram...
Allah Most High says:
“And there are among men, those that purchase idle tales, to mislead (men) from the path of Allah and throw ridicule. For such there will be a humiliating punishment.” (Surah Luqman, V. 6)
The great Companion Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”:
“By Allah its meaning is music.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 & authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411)
My brothers/sisters after a long time i am writing in the forums, but i was checking up this site time and again.... bak to this music business... Al- Awlaki states in his hereafter set a very authentic story regarding a man who was going through the period of sakraat al mawt. Music being played in the backgrouns and a pious person was passing by and said to the ppl of his house "dont u have any shame, this mans dying and you lot are playing songs?" so the ppl of the house took the music out and put quran on instead and the man dying said "no quit this thing put the music back on!!!!!" My brothers this story i've heard is not just from al= awlaki who resides in yemen at the moment, but have heard many a times by eastern shaykhs.
...Authenticity of music being haram...
Allah Most High says:
“And there are among men, those that purchase idle tales, to mislead (men) from the path of Allah and throw ridicule. For such there will be a humiliating punishment.” (Surah Luqman, V. 6)
The great Companion Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”:
“By Allah its meaning is music.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 & authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411)
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Salam Alykum
It could be that Im starving right now, that I do not quite get what your point is. I take it you are trying to say ALL music is Haram ?
Salam Alykum
It could be that Im starving right now, that I do not quite get what your point is. I take it you are trying to say ALL music is Haram ?
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wa aleykum assalam wa rahmatullah
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A person that makes Haram halal ore vice versa is a kafir... so if u still go and say that music is halal though u saw evidence of it being haram then ure a what? a kafir! a unbeliever! non-muslim!
anything thats good is fro allah and evyrithing bad in this text is from me and the shaytan
wa allahu alem
assalamu aleykum
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wa aleykum assalam wa rahmatullah
read this:
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A person that makes Haram halal ore vice versa is a kafir... so if u still go and say that music is halal though u saw evidence of it being haram then ure a what? a kafir! a unbeliever! non-muslim!
anything thats good is fro allah and evyrithing bad in this text is from me and the shaytan
wa allahu alem
assalamu aleykum
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assalamu aleykum
Allaah says in Soorat Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]
The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).
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assalamu aleykum
Allaah says in Soorat Luqmaan (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]
The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=5000&dgn=4
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Greetings,
In what way does "idle talks" or "idle tales" mean music? Lots of music has no words at all.
Is there anywhere in the Qur'an where the text explicitly forbids instruments, or is this simply the interpretation of scholars?
Peace
Greetings,
In what way does "idle talks" or "idle tales" mean music? Lots of music has no words at all.
Is there anywhere in the Qur'an where the text explicitly forbids instruments, or is this simply the interpretation of scholars?
Peace
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u better take that back about " simply the interpretation of scholars?"
Ibn ‘Abbaas(ra) was the Prophets(saws) cousin and one of the biggest scholars of islam! The Prophet(saws) prayed for him to get much knowledge, Mujaahid(ra) was a tabain, the generation after the sahabas(ra)
Al-Hasan al-Basri was also a tabain,
Al-Hasan ibn Abi al-Hasan Yasar Abu Sa'id al-Basri (d. 110), al-Faqîh, the great Imam of Basra, leader of the ascetics and scholars of his time. The son of a freedwoman of Umm Salama's (the Prophet's wife) and a freedman of Zayd ibn Thabit's (the Prophet's stepson). Umm Salama nursed him - Allah be well-pleased with her.
so HOW CAN U SAY THAT THE BEST OF PEOPLE are simply interpretating??? the most knowledgable ppl and u call them simply interpreting! u better take it back!!
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u better take that back about " simply the interpretation of scholars?"
Ibn ‘Abbaas(ra) was the Prophets(saws) cousin and one of the biggest scholars of islam! The Prophet(saws) prayed for him to get much knowledge, Mujaahid(ra) was a tabain, the generation after the sahabas(ra)
Al-Hasan al-Basri was also a tabain,
Al-Hasan ibn Abi al-Hasan Yasar Abu Sa'id al-Basri (d. 110), al-Faqîh, the great Imam of Basra, leader of the ascetics and scholars of his time. The son of a freedwoman of Umm Salama's (the Prophet's wife) and a freedman of Zayd ibn Thabit's (the Prophet's stepson). Umm Salama nursed him - Allah be well-pleased with her.
so HOW CAN U SAY THAT THE BEST OF PEOPLE are simply interpretating??? the most knowledgable ppl and u call them simply interpreting! u better take it back!!
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The fact of the matter is this,
The hadiths relating to use of music, are up in the air with scholors, the authenticity of most of them is doubted and some are simply not clear enough.
Its obvious that singing praises to Allah and using musical instruments is not something badm it does not bring about anything haram at all.
And the question of what is HARAM about musical instruments has not been addresed.
And you wont find it addressed either.
Finally I personally have to use my best intention on the subject of music, if I believed the hadiths were strong enough to stay away from ALL music FOREVER, I will stay away from it, but as scholors themselves dispute is music totally haram or is a tiny percentage deemed as halal.
I am going to choose the middle ground, of listenig to music that is not promoting anything haram. if that makes me a kaffur, well hmmm not the 1st time I been called kaffur on this site and I doubt it will be the last, good thing I fear Allahs words and not those of mans.
The fact of the matter is this,
The hadiths relating to use of music, are up in the air with scholors, the authenticity of most of them is doubted and some are simply not clear enough.
Its obvious that singing praises to Allah and using musical instruments is not something badm it does not bring about anything haram at all.
And the question of what is HARAM about musical instruments has not been addresed.
And you wont find it addressed either.
Finally I personally have to use my best intention on the subject of music, if I believed the hadiths were strong enough to stay away from ALL music FOREVER, I will stay away from it, but as scholors themselves dispute is music totally haram or is a tiny percentage deemed as halal.
I am going to choose the middle ground, of listenig to music that is not promoting anything haram. if that makes me a kaffur, well hmmm not the 1st time I been called kaffur on this site and I doubt it will be the last, good thing I fear Allahs words and not those of mans.
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Shaytan made musical intruments ?
I dont think so.
show me some place in Quran that supports the evidence that shaytan makes musical instruments.
Shaytan made musical intruments ?
I dont think so.
show me some place in Quran that supports the evidence that shaytan makes musical instruments.
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i wna put 1 simple point forward too.. where in the qur'an and sunnah does it say musical instruments are allowed? apart from the duff.
jazak Allah khayr.
wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
i wna put 1 simple point forward too.. where in the qur'an and sunnah does it say musical instruments are allowed? apart from the duff.
jazak Allah khayr.
wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
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salam
when and where did I say that?? i dont remember... i reffer that all instruments are made by shaytan.. i mean its shaytans tool...
akhi, duff is only allowed for big occations and girls only wa allahu alem
salam aleykum
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salam
when and where did I say that?? i dont remember... i reffer that all instruments are made by shaytan.. i mean its shaytans tool...
akhi, duff is only allowed for big occations and girls only wa allahu alem
salam aleykum
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wa alykum asalam warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
their allowed for bro's too insha Allah cz from the hadith regarding duff's, it doesn't say its not permissible for males.
`Aa'isha (R) said: "Allah's Messenger, sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam, entered (my house) when I had two little girls singing the songs of Bu`aath (pre-Islamic war lore) and beating on a duff; so he lay down on the bed and turned his face away. Then Abu Bakr came in and scolded me saying, 'The flutes of Shaytaan played in the presence of Allah's Messenger?' So Allah's Messenger (saws), turned toward him and said, 'Leave them alone, O Abu Bakr! Every people have a `Eid, and this is our `Eid.' [Saheeh al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad and ibn Maajah]
but yeh - like you said, i think its only allowed on special occasions too..
Allah u a'lam.
the question i was asking earlier on was supposed to be rhetorical though lol.. cz i want the people who say that its permissible to get a source for their answer... jazak Allah khayr.
and one final point i'd like to put across. most people keep repeating that these hadith aren't authentic and the qur'an is the only reliable source. i'd just like to say that the hadith above is from sahih bukhari (the 2nd most reliable authentic book for the muslims after the holy qur'an.) and therefore we should take it seriously. its not made up.
wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
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their allowed for bro's too insha Allah cz from the hadith regarding duff's, it doesn't say its not permissible for males.
`Aa'isha (R) said: "Allah's Messenger, sallallaahu `alaihi wa sallam, entered (my house) when I had two little girls singing the songs of Bu`aath (pre-Islamic war lore) and beating on a duff; so he lay down on the bed and turned his face away. Then Abu Bakr came in and scolded me saying, 'The flutes of Shaytaan played in the presence of Allah's Messenger?' So Allah's Messenger (saws), turned toward him and said, 'Leave them alone, O Abu Bakr! Every people have a `Eid, and this is our `Eid.' [Saheeh al-Bukhari, Muslim, Ahmad and ibn Maajah]
but yeh - like you said, i think its only allowed on special occasions too..
Allah u a'lam.
the question i was asking earlier on was supposed to be rhetorical though lol.. cz i want the people who say that its permissible to get a source for their answer... jazak Allah khayr.
and one final point i'd like to put across. most people keep repeating that these hadith aren't authentic and the qur'an is the only reliable source. i'd just like to say that the hadith above is from sahih bukhari (the 2nd most reliable authentic book for the muslims after the holy qur'an.) and therefore we should take it seriously. its not made up.
wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
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Slaam brother
for every one who keep reminding me this is from sahi bukhari!
so are we comparing word of sahi bukhari with words of Allah SWT??
there are numerious hadiths which are weak! and these are one of them
now anyone knows what weak hadith is?
oh noplease I DONT DARE call them a lie for it will take me out of ISLAM..just weak .. meaning sources not reliable!!!
as if they'll be answering on my behalf!!
only Allah knows the best!
Slaam brother
for every one who keep reminding me this is from sahi bukhari!
so are we comparing word of sahi bukhari with words of Allah SWT??
there are numerious hadiths which are weak! and these are one of them
now anyone knows what weak hadith is?
oh noplease I DONT DARE call them a lie for it will take me out of ISLAM..just weak .. meaning sources not reliable!!!
as if they'll be answering on my behalf!!
only Allah knows the best!
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sis EYES OF MINE u make me laugh why ru makin fun of our religion wat allah says is wat we shld do and our guide is the prophet pbuh hmmmmm DID THE PROPHET LISTEN TO MUSIC ?? I DONT THINKK SOOOOO
SO WATEVER TYPE OF MUSIC ANYONE LISTENS 2 IS HARAM
I HOPE U UNDERSTAND
thx
sis EYES OF MINE u make me laugh why ru makin fun of our religion wat allah says is wat we shld do and our guide is the prophet pbuh hmmmmm DID THE PROPHET LISTEN TO MUSIC ?? I DONT THINKK SOOOOO
SO WATEVER TYPE OF MUSIC ANYONE LISTENS 2 IS HARAM
I HOPE U UNDERSTAND
thx
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