Is Music Haraam?

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Re: Music is Haraam

wa alykum asalam warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

sis, what makes you think there weak? and how are we comparing it to the words of Allah (swt) - the qur'an? what we say is in no way contradicting what the holy qur'an says insha Allah.

the sahih bukhari has all authentic hadith in, you can ask any scholar and they'll tell you that insha Allah. there separate hadith books after that which may have weak hadith in, but this is not with the 'sahih' hadith insha Allah.


Ibn al-Salah defines a sahih hadith precisely by saying:

"A sahih hadith is the one which has a continuous isnad, made up of reporters of trustworthy memory from similar authorities, and which is found to be free from any irregularities (i.e. in the text) or defects (i.e. in the isnad)."



Allah u a'lam.

wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
 
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salehah said:
for every one who keep reminding me this is from sahi bukhari!
so are we comparing word of sahi bukhari with words of Allah SWT??
there are numerious hadiths which are weak! and these are one of them
:sl:
You can't arbitrarily claim that a hadith is weak or authentic, it requires extensive investigation. Have you read the investigations of the Muhaditheen (Hadith scholars) ? Or are you speaking without evidence?

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akhee said:
wa alykum asalam warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

sis, what makes you think there weak? and how are we comparing it to the words of Allah (swt) - the qur'an? what we say is in no way contradicting what the holy qur'an says insha Allah.

the sahih bukhari has all authentic hadith in, you can ask any scholar and they'll tell you that insha Allah. there separate hadith books after that which may have weak hadith in, but this is not with the 'sahih' hadith insha Allah.


Ibn al-Salah defines a sahih hadith precisely by saying:

"A sahih hadith is the one which has a continuous isnad, made up of reporters of trustworthy memory from similar authorities, and which is found to be free from any irregularities (i.e. in the text) or defects (i.e. in the isnad)."



Allah u a'lam.

wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

wa aleykum assalam wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu

akhi i dont know about listening but i think its about that, u decide inshallah:

Secondly:

The correct view is that it is not permissible to beat the daff except for women. If a man does that, he is imitating women, which is a major sin.

Shaykh al-Islam (Ibn Taymiyah – may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In general, it is a well known principle of the Islamic religion that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not prescribe that the righteous men, devoted worshippers and ascetics of this ummah should gather to listen to verses of poetry chanted to the accompaniment of handclapping, rhythm sticks or daffs. It is not permissible for anyone to go beyond the limits of Islam and follow something other than that which was narrated in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, whether that has to do with inward matters or outward, whether for the common man or the elite. But the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted a concession for some kinds of entertainment on the occasion of weddings and the like, and he also granted a concession to women allowing them to beat the daff at weddings and on other joyous occasions. But with regard to the men of his time, none of them used to beat the daff or clap his hands, rather it was proven in al-Saheeh that he said, ‘Clapping is for women, and Tasbeeh is for men,’ and he cursed women who imitate men and men who imitate women.

Because singing, beating the daff and clapping the hands are actions of women, the salaf used to call a man who did that mukhannath (effeminate), and they used to call male singers makhaaneeth (pl. of mukhannath). This is well known.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 11/565, 566

Ibn Hajar said:

The strong (qawiy) ahaadeeth indicate that this is permissible for women, but that does not include men, because of the general meaning of the prohibition on men imitating women.

Fath al-Baari, 9/226

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

Rather the concession allowing women to use the daff is for them only. With regard to men, it is not permissible for them to do any of that, whether on weddings or on other occasions. Rather Allaah has prescribed for men to train in the instruments of war and skills needed for battle, such as shooting and horse riding, and competing in that.

Majallat al-Jaami’ah al-Islamiyyah (Magazine of the Islamic University in al-Madeenah al-Munawwarah), 3rd edition, 2nd year, Muharram, 1390 AH, p. 185, 186

And he also said:

With regard to weddings, it is prescribed to beat the daff and sing regular songs which do not call for or praise anything that is haraam. This is to be done at night, by women only, to announce the wedding and to emphasize the difference between this legitimate marriage and zina (adultery) which is done in secret, as was narrated in the saheeh Sunnah from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

Al-Tabarruj wa Khataruhu (Wanton display and its dangers)

Source
 
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:sl: warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.

jazak Allah khayr fo dat bro :) i never knew that.


wasalam o 'alykum warahmatulahi wabarakatuh.
 
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salehah said:
Slaam brother

for every one who keep reminding me this is from sahi bukhari!
so are we comparing word of sahi bukhari with words of Allah SWT??
there are numerious hadiths which are weak! and these are one of them
now anyone knows what weak hadith is?

oh noplease I DONT DARE call them a lie for it will take me out of ISLAM..just weak .. meaning sources not reliable!!!
as if they'll be answering on my behalf!!

only Allah knows the best!

just wanna say, sahih bukhari is 100% truth and U MUST FOLLOW IT when u see its evidence!! its wajib,

eyes_of_mine said:
Good one salehah :thumbs_up

i guess u mean with that about sahih bukhari?? u just dont want to stop surprising me.. u say that the word of rasulullah(saws) is nothing worth cause allah(swt) didnt say it?

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All who obey Allah and the messenger are in the company of those on whom is the Grace of Allah,- of the prophets (who teach), the sincere (lovers of Truth), the witnesses (who testify), and the Righteous (who do good): Ah! what a beautiful fellowship!

AND THE MESSENGER! remember that! and the messenger, if u follow ALLAH(SWT) AND Rasulullah(saws) then ure going to be one of those who Allah(swt) bestows His grace. u cant just follow the Quran, u MUST follow the WORD of tHE PROPHET(SAWS)

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Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.

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Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.

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It is no less than inspiration sent down to him:

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He was taught by one Mighty in Power,

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YUSUFALI: Endued with Wisdom: for he appeared (in stately form);

i think this is about th prophet(saws), what do u think?? he doesnt speak of his own desire but of that that ALlah(Swt) inspired him to say!! if u still say that u cant follow the speaking of the prophet(saws), then its surely something wrong

wa allahu alem
 
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salehah said:
salam all!

what bro vaded you mean the simple ones l;ike flute and duff etc (allowed in islam) are NOT made by shaytan and the rest are??

Allah o Akbar!


This was what I said good one to , I didnt see the thread continued to another page. :thumbs_up
 
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Greetings Vedad,
I think you may have misunderstood me.
Vedad said:
u better take that back about " simply the interpretation of scholars?"

Ibn ‘Abbaas(ra) was the Prophets(saws) cousin and one of the biggest scholars of islam! The Prophet(saws) prayed for him to get much knowledge, Mujaahid(ra) was a tabain, the generation after the sahabas(ra)
Al-Hasan al-Basri was also a tabain,

Al-Hasan ibn Abi al-Hasan Yasar Abu Sa'id al-Basri (d. 110), al-Faqîh, the great Imam of Basra, leader of the ascetics and scholars of his time. The son of a freedwoman of Umm Salama's (the Prophet's wife) and a freedman of Zayd ibn Thabit's (the Prophet's stepson). Umm Salama nursed him - Allah be well-pleased with her.

so HOW CAN U SAY THAT THE BEST OF PEOPLE are simply interpretating??? the most knowledgable ppl and u call them simply interpreting! u better take it back!!

I thought that words quoted in brackets are the interpretations of scholars. Am I wrong?

When I used the word "simply", I did not mean to say that their interpretations are simple, just that they are not part of the text of the Qur'an.

Peace
 
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Salams Vader
I had a chance to catch up now, and I understand exactly what saleha is trying to say.
But as usual we find people jumping up and getting defensive without they truly understood the point that was trying to be made.
 
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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

eyes_of_mine said:
The fact of the matter is this,
The hadiths relating to use of music, are up in the air with scholors, the authenticity of most of them is doubted and some are simply not clear enough.
Its obvious that singing praises to Allah and using musical instruments is not something badm it does not bring about anything haram at all.

And the question of what is HARAM about musical instruments has not been addresed.
And you wont find it addressed either.

Finally I personally have to use my best intention on the subject of music, if I believed the hadiths were strong enough to stay away from ALL music FOREVER, I will stay away from it, but as scholors themselves dispute is music totally haram or is a tiny percentage deemed as halal.
I am going to choose the middle ground, of listenig to music that is not promoting anything haram. if that makes me a kaffur, well hmmm not the 1st time I been called kaffur on this site and I doubt it will be the last, good thing I fear Allahs words and not those of mans.



Excuse me for jumping in without having gone through all the posts here...but I was a little surprised to see some comments and I thought I might contribute my own mite as well.

Sister eyes_of_mine, your comments here caught my attention as I thought this was in some way contradicting your comments in another thread:

It is said that if something falls into the doubtfull areas, things we cannot be sure about then one should avoid the doubtfull things.

I think I made it clear that it is at the very least doubtfull and still till now Im wondering how one comes to the decision that everything that is doubtfull is halal till proven haram.

Well if it we are to say everything is halal untill prooved haram isn't that dangerous ?

I am NOT trying to get into an argument of ANY sort...I am just trying to figure out the rationale behind approving something to be halal when it is not explicitly mentioned so in Al-Quran and something to be haram.


Sister Salehah, If you had mentioned that this hadith in sahih bukhari is weak (please correct me if i am wrong), I would like to know how you came to that conclusion. Could you please provide a source that would prove your claim comprehensively? From what I know Ibn Abbas (ra) is a remarkable personality with a very deep understanding of the words of Allah(swt). In fact of all the sahabis, he probably is among the very few who had such a deep understanding of the Quran that people often came to him asking questions about certain ayah. So I would consider the hadith to be authentic (after all that's what *sahih* means I guess). But if you could prove it to be a weak hadith, I would like you to show some concrete proof for it (like who in the isnad is weak etc).
 
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:sl:

I agree with Abwan. Furthermore, the authenticity of the hadith is clearly established here

Moreover, Muhammad (SAWS) said:

The halal is clear and the haram is clear. Between the two there are doubtful matters concerning which people do not know whether they are halal or haram. One who avoids them in order to safeguard his religion and his honor is safe, while if someone engages in a part of them he may be doing something haram, like one who grazes his animals near the hima (the grounds reserved for animals belonging to the King which are out of bounds for others' animals); it is thus quite likely that some of his animals will stray into it. Truly, every king has a hima*, and the hima of Allah is what He has prohibited.

(Reported by al-Bukhari' Muslim, and others; the narration is taken from al Tirmidhi.)


*Hima means "inviolate zones"

:w:

 
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czgibson said:
Greetings Vedad,
I think you may have misunderstood me.


I thought that words quoted in brackets are the interpretations of scholars. Am I wrong?

When I used the word "simply", I did not mean to say that their interpretations are simple, just that they are not part of the text of the Qur'an.

Peace

its a part of the quran cause its the meaning of the verse, its a part of the quran.. mabe it doesnt say that exactly but idle talk means singing, music etc
 
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Greetings Callum,

Again, I would direct you to this site for a detailed explanation.

Regards,

 
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Greetings,

Thanks, Osman, for pointing out the site again. I tried looking for it but couldn't find it since this is quite a long thread.

As far as I can see, the verses the author quotes from the Qur'an do not mention instruments explicitly, but the hadiths do.

Vedad, on the point about scholarly interpretations, it seems manifest to me that the interpretations are not part of the text of the Qur'an - they are additions which have been added later, no?

I see the point you make about the meaning inhering in the original, but since scholars disagree over the meanings of specific words, who can say which meaning actually resides in the text? To decide that would take additional study to uncover what is implicit in the text - something that may not be stated directly.

Many texts have interpretations applied to them, but we would not normally say that these are actually part of the text.

Coming back to the point about "idle talks": I can see how this could refer to music with singing, but I'm not sure how it could be interpreted as having something to do with instruments as well. This probably has something to do with my ignorance of Arabic. Or have the scholars used the ahadith to help with interpreting the Qur'an?

Peace
 
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Greetings Callum,

I am sure that the Qur'anic verse refers solely to singing. The part prohibiting instruments was told to us by Muhammad (SAWS) himself.

Gotta go

Peace,

 
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ABWAN said:
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,





Excuse me for jumping in without having gone through all the posts here...but I was a little surprised to see some comments and I thought I might contribute my own mite as well.

Sister eyes_of_mine, your comments here caught my attention as I thought this was in some way contradicting your comments in another thread:



I am NOT trying to get into an argument of ANY sort...I am just trying to figure out the rationale behind approving something to be halal when it is not explicitly mentioned so in Al-Quran and something to be haram.


Sister Salehah, If you had mentioned that this hadith in sahih bukhari is weak (please correct me if i am wrong), I would like to know how you came to that conclusion. Could you please provide a source that would prove your claim comprehensively? From what I know Ibn Abbas (ra) is a remarkable personality with a very deep understanding of the words of Allah(swt). In fact of all the sahabis, he probably is among the very few who had such a deep understanding of the Quran that people often came to him asking questions about certain ayah. So I would consider the hadith to be authentic (after all that's what *sahih* means I guess). But if you could prove it to be a weak hadith, I would like you to show some concrete proof for it (like who in the isnad is weak etc).

Salam Alykum
Well, when I started to hear some time ago that music was haram amongst 10000 other things, I put music virtually 98% to one side and only listened to Quran and only just recently a few nasheeds, why did i do that ?
Becuase I was not clear and I doubted it, so I thought best leave it till Im more sure on this before I listen to any more music.

And so started to ask (amongst asking about 1000 other things everyone told me is haram and I will be kaffur If I break this rule and that rule)
And finally I find the best explanation that my heart and mind accepted to be most likely to be the truth.

Is music haram, I agree majority of it is, but I do believe some music is halal , if music at wedding was halal, then I have no doubt that music praising allah is halal, how on earth can it be haram, since musical instruments ARE not evil, it is what they are used for.

The evidence is there really in Quran but not all can see what the other see's.
:thumbs_up
 
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:sl: eyes_of_mine,

As you said in one of your previous posts, scholars themselves dispute over the matter. Isn't that enough to place some doubt upon it?

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O Brothers and Sisters we have come to the time were people will say alcholo is halal and forincation (zina) is allowed and music will be heard by many and therefore people will class it halal

What most muslim attend to say is give me a Quran reciation?!? i.e. Sami Yusuf

his voice is beutfil but his music is haram. if you wish to start with first album and start a pertition to tell him that music is haram i think he would listen but however thiss topic is on music is haram

if anyone has any surah to do with music please post them becuase many people belive that Quran is Quran and hadith is hadiths

like take example my family . My father has disunited with my uncles and aunts and are still disunited for many years my father has disunited with my own gran mum (his mother) but when i confront him with hadiths he wont listen. when i give him quran reciation he wont listen. This is the same most people ill agree that music is haram but will attend to hear it. What i think we should do is start with Quran surah and then go to authintic hadiths to other hadiths becuase other wise people wont listeen here an article of my understand why music is haram:

The Noble Qur'an - Luqman 31:6

And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing, etc.) to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allah, the Verses of the Qur'an) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-Fire).


Ibn Masood (ra) said about this verse "I swear by the One other than Whom there is no God that it refers to singing [ghinaa].", and he repeated this three times. Ibn Abbaas (ra) said it refered to 'singing and the like' while Jaabir (ra) is reported to view its meaning to signify singing and listening to songs. Many taabi'oon such as Mujaahid, Ikrimah, Mak-hool and Umar ibn Shu'ayb viewed it as a censure of music and song.

Hadith - Bukhari (#787) [Also related by Tabari]

Sa'id ibn Jbayr reported that Ibn 'Abbas said about the verse: "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks" (31:6), that, "ldle talks means singing and the like."


The Noble Qur'an - Al-Isra 17:64

"And Istafiz [literally means: befool them gradually] those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and other call for Allah's disobedience)..."


Hadith - Bukhari 7:494

Narrated Abu 'Amir or Abu Malik Al-Ash'ari that he heard the Prophet saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks, and the use of musical instruments as lawful. And (from them), there will be some who will stay near the side of a mountain, and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and Allah will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."


The Noble Qur'an - An-Najm 53:57-62

The Day of Resurrection draws near, None besides Allah can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it). Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)? And you laugh at it and weep not, Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.). So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and worship Him (Alone).

‘Ikrimah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-sumood [verbal noun from saamidoon, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means “singing”, in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lanaa” [‘sing for us’ – from the same root as saamidoon/sumood] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffaar] heard the Qur’aan, they would sing, then this aayah was revealed.
Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allah says (interpretation of the meaning) “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” – Sufyaan al-Thawri said, narrating from his father from Ibn ‘Abbaas: (this means) singing. This is Yemeni (dialect): ismad lana means ghan lana [sing to us]. This was also the view of ‘Ikrimah. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer).


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Use of a Simple Drum


Use of the "duff" (simple drum) is permitted in Islam for a practical purpose (such as establishing a simple beat for exercise, rowing, and other labors), but not to be done by a Muslim for entertainment or idleness. In such instances, it must not be played as music, such as by enhancing rhythm, whistling a tune and whatnot. Ibn al-Qayyim said in Ighaathat al-Lahfaan (1/256) that the prohibition against the use of instruments refers to "all kinds of things used for entertainment."

According to the Sunnah, females can sing and beat the duff on the two 'Eids (specific Muslim celebrations) and to announce a Muslim wedding amongst themselves, and their voices shouldn't be raised loud enough or near enough to be heard by the men.

Poetry is also permitted, but it must not contain shirk (the major sin of associating a partner in worship with Allah, i.e. trinity, major or minor shirk, etc.).

The woman's voice should not be used in an attractive way around non-mahram men and to them it must be limited to necessity (physical necessity such as asking for something at the store, not emotional 'necessity' such as social conversation). Men and women must not engage in idle or social conversations with non-mahrams (those not related as specified in The Quran). Muslim men should avoid listening to a non-related (i.e. non-mahram) female voice (such as pop singers, etc.) except when it is unavoidable or due to her speaking out of necessity and not socializing.


The Noble Qur'an - An-Najm 53:57-62

The Prophet came to me after consuming his marriage with me and sat down on my bed as you (the sub-narrator) are sitting now, and small girls were beating the duff* and singing in lamentation of my father who had been killed on the day of the battle of Badr. Then one of the girls said, "There is a Prophet amongst us who knows what will happen tomorrow." The Prophet [saaws] said (to her),"Do not say this, but go on saying what you have spoken before."

* duff /daff- a one-sided drum made of animal skin.
The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:32
O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty (to Allâh), then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.



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Explanation from Sheikh Ibn Baz

Shaykh Ibn Baz (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Majmoo' al-Fataawa, 3/423-424:

"Ma'aazif refers to singing and musical instruments. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that at the end of time there will come a people who will allow these things just as they will allow alcohol, zina and silk. This is one of the signs of his Prophethood, for all of this has happened. The hadeeth indicates that [musical instruments] are haram (prohibited), and condemns those who say they are halal (permissible), just as it condemns those who say that alcohol and zina are allowed. The aayaat and ahaadeeth that warn against singing and musical instruments are many indeed. Whoever claims that Allaah has allowed singing and musical instruments is lying and is committing a great evil. We ask Allaah to keep us from obeying our desires and the Shaytaan. Even worse and more seriously sinful than that are those who say it is mustahabb. Undoubtedly this stems from ignorance about Allaah and His Religion; it is insolent blasphemy against Allaah and lying about His Laws.

What is mustahabb (recommended) is to beat on the daff [simple hand drum] at weddings. This is mustahabb for women only, in order to announce the wedding and to distinguish it from fornication. There is nothing wrong with women singing amongst themselves, accompanied by the daff, so long as the songs contain no words that encourage evil or distract people from their duties. It is also a condition that this should take place among women only, and there should be no mixing with men. It should also not cause any annoyance or disturbance to neighbours. What some people do, of amplifying such singing with loudspeakers is evil, because of the disturbance it causes to other Muslims, neighbours and others. It is not permissible for women, in weddings or on other occasions, to use any instrument other than the daff, such as the oud, violin, rebab (stringed instrument) and so on. This is evil, and the only concession that women are given is that they may use the daff.

As for men, it is not permissible for them to play any kind of musical instrument, whether at weddings or on any other occasion. What Allaah has prescribed for men is training in the use of instruments of war, such as target practice or learning to ride horses and competing in that, using spears, shields, tanks, airplanes and other things such as cannons, machine guns, bombs and anything else that may help jihaad for the sake of Allaah."



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Hadith - Sunan of Abu Dawood, #4909, Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud

Salam ibn Miskin, quoting an old man who witnessed AbuWa'il in a wedding feast, said: They began to play, amuse and sing. He united the support of his hand round his knees that were drawn up, and said: I heard Abdullah (ibn Mas'ud) say: I heard the apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Singing produces hypocrisy in the heart.



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Intentions as it Relates to Hearing Music

Shaykh Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Concerning (music) which a person does not intend to listen to, there is no prohibition or blame, according to scholarly consensus. Hence blame or praise is connected to listening, not to hearing. The one who listens to the Qur'aan will be rewarded for it, whereas the one who hears it without intending or wanting to will not be rewarded for that, because actions are judged by intentions. The same applies to musical instruments which are forbidden: if a person hears them without intending to, that does not matter. (al-Majmoo', 10/78).

Imaam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about playing the drum or flute, if a person happens to hear the sound and enjoy it whilst he is walking or sitting. He said: He should get up if he finds that he enjoys it, unless he is sitting down for a need or is unable to get up. If he is on the road, he should either go back or move on. (al-Jaami' by al-Qayrawaani, 262). He (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: "The only people who do things like that, in our view, are faasiq's." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 14/55).

Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is not permissible to make musical instruments. (al-Majmoo', 22/140). And he said: According to the majority of fuqahaa', it is permissible to destroy musical instruments, such as the tanboor [a stringed instrument similar to a mandolin]. This is the view of Maalik and is the more famous of the two views narrated from Ahmad. (al-Majmoo', 28/113). Ibn Abi Shaybah (may Allaah have mercy on him) reported that a man broke a mandolin belonging to another man, and the latter took his case to Shurayh. But Shurayh did not award him any compensation, i.e., he did not make the first man pay the cost of the mandolin, because it was haram and had no value. (al-Musannaf, 5/395).
 
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eyes_of_mine said:
Salam Alykum
And finally I find the best explanation that my heart and mind accepted to be most likely to be the truth.

Is music haram, I agree majority of it is, but I do believe some music is halal , if music at wedding was halal, then I have no doubt that music praising allah is halal, how on earth can it be haram, since musical instruments ARE not evil, it is what they are used for.

The evidence is there really in Quran but not all can see what the other see's.

Why don't you share that explanation with us?

If majority of music is haram and some are made halal, how could one figure out which is haram and which is not? Is it left to the listener to judge based on his/her own instincts? If so, how fair would such a judgement be? Someone might feel a heavy percussioned rap song with ebonics praising the lord is halal while others may think otherwise!

Where does it explicitly say that music (and by music i mean songs with musical instruments and not just singing) at wedding is halal? I was under the impression that it was a cultural thing and got nothing to do with Islam as such.

If the evidence is there in the Quran, I would appreciate if you could share it with us. I kinda agree with your comment that *"not all can see what the others see"*, but does it also not depend on how well one is qualified to see it in a different way and how much he/she has mastered the words of Allah(swt) and the sunnah ?
 
Re: Music is Haraam

:w: Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

Even those who try to argue that music is lawful know, even if it is subconsciously that it is not permissible. Music which is played in weddings tends to be duff (from my experience). Also you get women who sing, usually just about the groom and bride and stuff like that. If you’ve been to a segregated islamically influenced weddings you’ll understand what I mean. In that sense the ‘music’ is then permissible, halal. However, the duff is an exception. Like many have stated before music is haram. Whether you choose to follow that or not is up to you. I’m sure we are all old enough here to realise that no one else will bear our sins. In addition some people have a weakness for listening to music, while other people’s weakness may lie in being kind or flirting. So it is best to see listening to music as a weakness that can be beaten. Deluding yourself and wishing and hoping that music is halal will not do anyone any favors. In society listening to music is almost inevitable, whether it is from hearing it in the work place or in the classroom. However, it is up to each individual to have the desire and motivation to do what is good. Also intention is a vital thing that does not mean you can sin and say ‘but my intentions were good.’

Allah (swt) knows best. Rabbeq firleey
 
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