Is peace ever possible between the worst enemies?

If problem would be only by religion(s), then how this is possible (and have been for centuries)?

http://www.ibtimes.com/who-guards-most-sacred-site-christendom-two-muslims-1161517

Who Guards The Most Sacred Site In Christendom? Two Muslims


JERUSALEM -- Every Christian knows the holiest places in Christendom are in Jerusalem. The holiest of all, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, was erected in 325, over the site where it is believed Jesus was crucified, buried and rose from the dead.

Yet, few know that it is a Muslim who opens and closes the only door to this holiest of Christian sites.

In fact, it's two Muslims: one man from the Joudeh family and another man from the Nuseibeh family, two Jerusalem Palestinian clans who have been the custodians of the entrance to the Holy Sepulchre since the 12th century.

Every morning, at 4:30, Adeeb Joudeh travels from his apartment outside the walls of the Old City to bring the cast-iron key to the church, just as his father and his forebears did before him.

Once there, he entrusts the key -- looking like a 12-inch (30-centimeter) long iron wedge -- to Wajeeh Nuseibeh, who knocks at the gate to call the priests and the pilgrims who spend the night praying inside. From inside the church, a wooden ladder is passed through a porthole to help him unlock the upper part of the enormous door.

Then, he unlocks the lower one before handing the precious key back to Joudeh. The ritual is reversed every evening at 7:30, after hundreds of tourists and pilgrims have left the church.

During holidays, such as Holy Week, which culminates Sunday with the Christian Easter, the elaborate opening and closing ceremonies take place several times a day.

Why the elaborate ritual? As often happens in Jerusalem, a city holy to several peoples and religions, there are different versions to explain why two Muslim families hold the key to the holiest site in Christendom.

“After the Muslim conquest in 637, the Caliph Omar guaranteed the Archbishop Sophronius that the Christian places of worship would be protected and so entrusted the custodianship to the Nuseibehs, a family who originated in Medina and had had relations with the Prophet Muhammad,” said Nuseibeh, a retired 63-year old electrician, while waiting in a nearby cafe to carry out his duties at the Holy Sepulchre.

“It happened again in 1187, after Saladin ended the Crusader Kingdom of Jerusalem. He chose our family again to look after the peace between the different Eastern and Western Christian confessions, which were at odds over control of the Sepulchre," he said with a gentle smile, sitting next to his son, Obadah.

To this day, coexistence among the several Christian churches sharing the Holy Sepulchre is a delicate one. Catholic, Greek, Armenian, Coptic, Syriac, and Ethiopian Orthodox monks have resorted to fists more than once to defend their respective denomination’s rights and privileges in the church, as defined in an decree by the Ottoman Empire, known as the Status Quo of 1853.

Such impious brawls between clergy proved Saladin’s prescience 1,000 years ago, when the sultan sealed the second front gate of the church and entrusted control of the remaining entrance to neutral custodians.

The Nuseibehs claim that the Joudehs entered this story only in the 16th century, after the Ottoman Turks gained control of Palestine and decided to charge a second family with the responsibility of guarding the key.

“Yes, we share the responsibility with the Joudehs, and sometimes we argue, as happens in a family,” Nuseibeh said.

Each Maundy Thursday since the end of the 19th century, the two Muslim families give the key to the Holy Sepulchre to the local Franciscan friars, for as long as it takes to walk to the church in a procession and to open the door after the morning liturgies. When those are completed, the friars return the key to the families.

This ceremony, which confirms in practice the validity of the Muslim families’ custodianship, is repeated with the Greek and Armenian communities, on Orthodox Good Friday and Holy Saturday, respectively.

“Right now, I have in my hands the keys to Christendom’s heart. This is a very important moment for us,” said the Rev. Artemio Vitores, the Spanish Franciscan who is the vicar Custodian of the Holy Land, during the Maundy Thursday procession.

“For centuries, Christian pilgrims were denied entry to the church, or had to pay huge sums to pray on the Sepulchre,” he said, all while holding the key.

At the head of the procession, Vitores was flanked on one side by Wajeeh Nusseibeh, his son Obadah and two cousins, all of whom were equally compensated by the friars for their services with the symbolic sum of $60.

On Vitores’ other side were Adeeb Joudeh, wearing an impeccable dark gray suit, and his 19-year-old son Jawad.

For about 20 minutes, Joudeh ceded control of the only existing key to the Holy Sepulchre. While there is another key, it is broken and no longer used. The functioning key is normally kept in a small office attached to the church and is guarded by an employee of the Joudeh family.

“This key has seen Saladin and every generation of my family since 1187. To me, it’s an honor to be in charge of the holiest of Christian places," Joudeh said, while walking the cobblestoned alley leading to the Holy Sepulchre.

He insisted on showing on his smartphone what he claimed are 165 official decrees confirming the Joudeh family’s role as custodian of the church over the centuries.

“My ancestor who was given the keys was a sheik, a highly respected person, who was not supposed to perform physical labor, such as climbing the ladder to open the gate,” Joudeh explained. “That’s why the Nuseibehs were called in to perform this duty. Unfortunately, they feel still ashamed of being just the doorkeepers.”

At the end of the procession, the key was welcomed by cheerful pilgrims waiting in front of the church.

For a few minutes, everybody stared at the solemn opening of the gate before rushing in.

Moments later, Adeeb Joudeh walked home with his son, as did Wajeeh Nuseibeh. They will come back here, time and again, at the gate of the Holy Sepulchre: two Muslims, coming in peace to bear the key to the heart of Christianity.
 
Of course peace is possible, peace was even possible with Khalid ibn waleed and umar ibn khattab and Abu Sufyaan ibn umayyah and ikrimah ibn abu jahl. they repented of their crimes and gained peace from submission to Allah, so yes it is possible, Allah tells us so in the Quran:

۞ عَسَى اللَّهُ أَن يَجعَلَ بَينَكُم وَبَينَ الَّذينَ عادَيتُم مِنهُم مَوَدَّةً ۚ وَاللَّهُ قَديرٌ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفورٌ رَحيمٌ

It may be that Allah will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For Allah has power (over all things); And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

لا يَنهىٰكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذينَ لَم يُقٰتِلوكُم فِى الدّينِ وَلَم يُخرِجوكُم مِن دِيٰرِكُم أَن تَبَرّوهُم وَتُقسِطوا إِلَيهِم ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ المُقسِطينَ

Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.

إِنَّما يَنهىٰكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذينَ قٰتَلوكُم فِى الدّينِ وَأَخرَجوكُم مِن دِيٰرِكُم وَظٰهَروا عَلىٰ إِخراجِكُم أَن تَوَلَّوهُم ۚ وَمَن يَتَوَلَّهُم فَأُولٰئِكَ هُمُ الظّٰلِمونَ

Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
Quran 60:7-9

when one submits to God they achieve a peace agreement from God, that is the meaning of Islam. who are we to fight them then? They are our brothers and sisters in faith.
 
problem is, israel isnt even bothering about peace, it wants to take ground from the euphrates to the nile river until then they want to keep the arabs in destruction and eliminate any threat which stands in their way to do so.

Harb in this case is neccesary. If not for the palestinians then israel would've already took over whole of the holy land.
 
Greetings and peace be with you loveofgod;

Justice for all people is not possible when the power is in the hands of the rich

Might be true on Earth, but we pray to a higher power than the rich people on this Earth, we pray and we do what we can to make a difference.

In the spirit of praying for justice for all people

Eric
 
problem is, israel isnt even bothering about peace, it wants to take ground from the euphrates to the nile river until then they want to keep the arabs in destruction and eliminate any threat which stands in their way to do so.

Harb in this case is neccesary. If not for the palestinians then israel would've already took over whole of the holy land.

Salam alaykum

This is one theory (The Great Israel - from the Nile to the Euphrat River). Zionists have promoted idea of empty land a long time and also that Palestinians are Jordanians and they should remove to there... I have read several documents how some zionists have manipulated some archaeological diggings to prove there were Jews before this and that. Even Israeli archaeologists have told they are fake.

Problem is zionism. It is our time nazism.
 
Greetings and peace be with you sister herb;

Yet, few know that it is a Muslim who opens and closes the only door to this holiest of Christian sites.

Maybe a Hindu family could provide a similar solution for the Dome of the Rock

In 2009 I had the privilege to go to Jerusalem, and stand by the Wailing Wall or Western Wall, it is part of a huge structure called the Temple Mount, which is a sacred place to the Jews Christians and Muslims. Abraham was said to have offered his son as a sacrifice in the region of Mount Moriah. It is also were Solomon was commanded to build the Temple on Mount Moriah to house the Ark of the Covenant, (the Ten Commandments) it is where Jesus worshiped. The Temple was destroyed and rebuilt, then destroyed again and the Islamic Dome of the Rock is built were Solomon’s Temple once stood. The Dome is said to be the place where the prophet pbuh, ascended up to heaven to meet all the other prophets, on this same site, associated with Abraham, Moses, Solomon, and Jesus.

When you look above the Wailing Wall, you see the golden dome of ‘The Dome of the Rock Mosque, and the Al Aqsa sacred to Islam. You queue up to go up to the mosque from the Jewish side, there is a sign that says – God is always present here. By this sign are Israeli Police with guns, their riot shields are stacked against the wall ready for use.

It seems that God has brought all three religions together on one huge monument and in so many ways, it seems to be a place to search for God rather than religion.

God could have made our lives much easier if he had placed our three religions a hundred miles apart, but it seems that God has some greater purpose by bringing all three religions together in one place.

Today there is tension in Jerusalem, most of the Christian holy places are within the walls of the Muslim Community, and this is surrounded by the Jews.

But why has God brought all these three religions together in so many ways, we are obviously so different?

The bottom line should be that all land belongs to God, we are all but temporary custodians, somehow we should seek to share all things as they were given to us by God and they belong to God.

In the spirit of searching for a greatest meaning of One God

Eric
 
Might be true on Earth, but we pray to a higher power than the rich people on this Earth, we pray and we do what we can to make a difference.

What kind of difference? What sort of world do you visualize? Different religions have always been at war with one another. History is proof of that. It's nice to believe that peace is possible. But it doesn't look like a realistic scenario that can actually transpire to me. I don't believe things are going to get better. Only worse. There is no doubt that with the passing of time man is getting greedier, more selfish and hungry for power.
 
It is one of the most troubling things about monotheism, when extremists start saying that their God is the only God and their way is the only way. Peace isn't easy between two such groups.
 
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^^ You are right - the extremists never make peace with anyone. People with some sense make.

Are they muslims, christians, jews or atheists no make any difference. They are people whose say: enough is enough.
 
It seems that God has brought all three religions together on one huge monument and in so many ways, it seems to be a place to search for God rather than religion.

. . . .

Today there is tension in Jerusalem, most of the Christian holy places are within the walls of the Muslim Community, and this is surrounded by the Jews.

But why has God brought all these three religions together in so many ways, we are obviously so different?

There is a belief in the muslim community why during the night of the ascendency by prophet Muhammad (saw) the historical Qiblah was changed from Jerusalem to Mecca. Imagine the potential conflict (for the lack of a better word) that would happen if the muslims too share this as their only 'holy/sacred' place.

Historically though, the religions were the same religion, all three (Jewish, Christianity and Islam) hence they shared the same prophets, doing their bidding for their Lord, having these holy sites. Somehow, somewhere, man made some changes to the doctrines which ended up making all three different.
 
Religions generally hate the idea, but this is why secularism, to me, is the way forward. Choose your religion and practice it as you will with laws to ensure that everyone is treated the same. Will it be perfect for you or me? No, probably not. Is there a better idea? I don't think so. In a multicultural world, it seems incomprehensible that any one religion state could work.
 
Secularism is the mother of all hatred, 5000 dead in egypt alone over a couple of days by secularists and for Egypt not to be Islamic under any light and they've already brought a failed movie actress and a druggie to amend the constitution to remove anything to do with Islam from it. It is the way backwards not forward! Do these people turn on the news and see what is going on in the name of their secular religion or the fact that it isn't done for God but debauchery and every lewd allowance exempts them from any wrong doing? What an interesting take on things. Countries fully raped since the Sykes Picot agreement and even before that to do away with religion and nap any good for the sake of a few undeserving and to hell with everyone else!
shame on you the lies you spew!
 
As I've said repeatedly before here on IB forums, there is no separation of church and state in Islam. We Muslims love Sharia and want Sharia. Why is this so hard?
 
^^ I can see the state of peace where everyone can follow they own religions freely, where state respects peoples own choices and its name might be Palestine. State and any political doctrine has to be then separated: you can be there equal in the society, just same if you are sunni, shia, jew, christian, bahai, atheist, agnostic, buddhist or even wicca.

:statisfie

That is my dream.
 
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No I am not but also I am for freedom. Palestine now is not islamic country at all - there live several religions as there have always lived. Should I dream that every others (non-muslims) there have to accept rules of my religion? What if to think to give freedom to everyone believe and live like they feel is right and then try to live in peace with your neigborg? Would that too hard?

:statisfie
 
As I've said repeatedly before here on IB forums, there is no separation of church and state in Islam. We Muslims love Sharia and want Sharia. Why is this so hard?

And I'd like a world with no religion at all. But what I want would be unfair to those who want to practise their religion. So some sort of compromise is needed. Surely you can recognise that to force Islamic rule on non-muslims would be equally unfair?
 
Doesn't a Sharia system permit freedom of religion? Jews and Christians are free to practice their faiths while living in a Sharia governance if I am correct. So if you are for peace and religious freedom, why not speak of supporting the implementation of Sharia rather than vague ideas of "freedom" and "equality?" I am not a scholar and very far from it so anyone who thinks I am off track here, please examine what our sources have to say on these issues--the Qur'an and Sunnah. That goes for you too Sister Herb.
 
Surely you can recognise that to force Islamic rule on non-muslims would be equally unfair?

I think this is said also in the Quran (Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) - سورة البقرة

2:256 Sahih International
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.).

Sorry I am not scholar and this verse might means also something else.

Personally I see it very un-islamic try to force non-muslims to follow rules of Islam if they don´t want. They, like everyone else, must have right to follow other paths if they want.
 
Doesn't a Sharia system permit freedom of religion? Jews and Christians are free to practice their faiths while living in a Sharia governance if I am correct. So if you are for peace and religious freedom, why not speak of supporting the implementation of Sharia rather than vague ideas of "freedom" and "equality?" I am not a scholar and very far from it so anyone who thinks I am off track here, please examine what our sources have to say on these issues--the Qur'an and Sunnah. That goes for you too Sister Herb.

Salam alaykum

And what about followers of other religions in Palestine whose aren´t muslims, jews or christians? Should atheists or buddhists or wiccas or bahais follow it too?
 
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