Is the Bible the word of God?
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Word? lets go get it!!! Not... heard it's protected by mummies and dark evils...
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I'm so confused when people say that the Bible used to be the word of G-d, I don't get it. (That seems to be muslims saying that)
I don't get people just saying it is the words of Man so they can contain mistkes, yet it is followed as the fundamentals of faith. (Some Christian Say That)
I also don't get when people say stuff like 'I do not call other people's religion wrong' but indirectly, throught them having chose their religion for reasons, they have done so, most of the time.
This is by far one of the most confusing times of my life.
Peace be upon yall.
I don't get people just saying it is the words of Man so they can contain mistkes, yet it is followed as the fundamentals of faith. (Some Christian Say That)
I also don't get when people say stuff like 'I do not call other people's religion wrong' but indirectly, throught them having chose their religion for reasons, they have done so, most of the time.
This is by far one of the most confusing times of my life.
Peace be upon yall.
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Peace,
As a Muslim you have to believe in all the books sent by Allah to His prophets. Allah clearly says in the Quran that He sent a book called Injeel to prophet Jesus pbuh called Injeel or Gospel in English. Unfortunately, today's bible is what we have left of the Injeel. So that is why Muslims say the Bible used to be God's word.
Peace out.
Peace,
As a Muslim you have to believe in all the books sent by Allah to His prophets. Allah clearly says in the Quran that He sent a book called Injeel to prophet Jesus pbuh called Injeel or Gospel in English. Unfortunately, today's bible is what we have left of the Injeel. So that is why Muslims say the Bible used to be God's word.
Peace out.
Seeee, this type of reasoning is exactly what I don't get brother, the Bible we have today is the injeel corrupted?
See this is what is confusing me, the Bible is a compilation of books that were written some before the thought time of Jesus and some after, when muslims claim, that the basis of the bible is the injeel and it has just been curropted then this is the most confusing explanation.
Maybe the authors of the Gospels used some oral traditions which may derive back to the injeel, but to say that the Bible we have is the Injeel curropted does nothing but confuse me.
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The Injeel was the message of Prophet Jesus pbuh, some remnants of which may be visible in the four gospel accounts. The intro to this book explains the issue:
http://voiceforislam.com/Pdfs/GospelOfJesus.pdf
I think that articles agrees with me, that the Gospels are but writings of people.
Even if we were to purify this Holy Bible that we have now to the state of when it was first written, i.e Gospel of Mark and so on, we would only find teachings of jumbled together, we would not find the whole of Jesus' Gospel rather parts of it which came from Oral Traditions
Even if we were to purify this Holy Bible that we have now to the state of when it was first written, i.e Gospel of Mark and so on, we would only find teachings of jumbled together, we would not find the whole of Jesus' Gospel rather parts of it which came from Oral Traditions
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The bible speaks a lot of truth. I think it should be read by everyone who seeks truth, even if they are not Christian. However, one should keep in mind that is has been changed overtime through translations and corruption. The worst thing that happened to the bible was when religion became institutionalized. Once that happened, Jesus’ name started to be exploited. His name became the source of money and power. Lies and changes were made to keep power. According to the Quran, Jesus was not the actual son of God. This is also supported through history, (Sorry but I can’t state any sources right this second) Jesus specifically said that the Father was grater then he. Long ago, to be a “son of God” was to have strong Tawheed(Oneness with God). It wasn’t until about 300 CE that “son of God” took on a literal meaning.
So is the Bible the word of God? I think so, but I also think it should be noted that it has been changed.
So is the Bible the word of God? I think so, but I also think it should be noted that it has been changed.
Well that's an interesting view point but the problem that arises is a very dangerous one, you stated that it should be read by anyone seeking truth, and that the reader should bear in mind that it has been changed over time.
The problem comes in at the point that when does the reader acknowledge the changes, when does the reader stop and say, 'ok that bit isnt from G-d' it would be a very difficult task for scholars to do, let alone normal everyday people, if it were an easy thing then people would have a pure edition of the Bible by now.
Again, what makes you think that the Bible is the word of G-d even 25%?
The problem is noteable, people read a book to seek guidance and truth while they also acknowledge that part of it is written by men, therefore seeking guidance indirectly from men, which in some cases could be shirk, if I am not mistaken, the simple task of going through the bible and seeing which bit is from G-d and which bit isn't is not that easy.
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This is all very true. How do I even know any of what is left is the word of God? I don’t. Personally I think that to sift out lies you should look to other sources, Quern or whatever. Through both the Quern and the Bible we see an overall meaning is of peace and love. That is what is important to me. Not who said this, or who did what, the overall meaning is important. Now the natural question would be, “Well the Quern teaches this, why look anywhere else?” Well why not seek out other sources? My own personal belief is that the Quern may not be 100% true. This is a very hard statement for most Muslims to hear, but Mohammed was just a man. And men make mistakes. I have heard the argument that Allah would have not let falsehood come from the Quern. But Allah let falsehood come from the Bible. Allah seems to refuse in interfere with the world directly. There, however, has not been any profits since Mohammed. Perhaps the Quern is the complete truth, or perhaps the Quern is true enough for Allah. Mohammed himself clamed that the word of god was hard to understand sometimes. All people make mistakes. Example, Ramadan is strictly an Islamic thing, and Ramadan was practiced before Mohammed was a profit. It has been apart of the Arabia’s culture for ever, long before monotheism. Some Christians and Jew practice fasting, but not necessary in the 9th month. If Allah thinks everyone should fast in the 9th month, don’t you think Christians and Jew would do it in that month?
However, the Quern has not been changed. And I think it should be looked at as the closest thing to the truth.
I know what you are thinking, “Blaspheme!”
Yes, it could be.
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What is Quern?
and mohhomed(pbuh) was a profit? Nah if you read his life story you will know he was not after profit!!
and mohhomed(pbuh) was a profit? Nah if you read his life story you will know he was not after profit!!
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I didn’t suggest that Mohammed was after the title “Profit.”
I suggested that he is a man who makes mistakes, yet did hear the word of God
If Mohamed didn’t hear the word of God, then he was an illiterate genius.
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I thought you meant he was after making money (profit)
I think what you meantr was prophet, and it is not Quern but Quran. Maybe it was a typo. DOn't worry but some people might get confused.
I think what you meantr was prophet, and it is not Quern but Quran. Maybe it was a typo. DOn't worry but some people might get confused.
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I think you are making a mistake saying like he forgot or made a mistake when reciting the revelation back to the people. The fact he was given revelation without any mistake in conveyance, you allude the fact the QURAN was not revealed in one night but it was more like passage by passage. Next you are assuming he made a mistake when conveying the message to the people, and had a poor memory and thus was not conveyed accurately. Next you are assuming that people that the passage was conveyed to, did not memorise the passage revealed to muhhamed, and that they too probably had poor memory and made mistake, and everybody who made mistake reciting the passage from the quran made the mistake in the same point or word and people failed to write some of it down somewhere e.t.c
Next you are transcribing error's that is with the bible with the Quran, and that the same might have happened to the bible to the Quran. Well, if you should note the Quran and the bible has a total different history.
With the matter of Quran, you are assuming that muhhamed recieved a revelation from God and he made a mistake and carried on failing to reaslise, when conveying the same message to the people and God failed to notice his error and when the next revelation came God forget to correct him, or through his angel Gabreil.
All people may mistake, but in the matter of recieving the revelation I don't think their was any mistake made and when he was conveying the revelation to his people, otherwise you must also assume god was forgetful and made mistake too (God forbid).
I know you are here to learn and I appreciate that. Maybe the MOD can help with you on the history of the Quran and it's preservation e.t.c
How sure are you Jew's don't fast and christian don't fast?
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Hmmmm.... that is very true. The word was past to Muhammad over a long period of time and mistakes made by Muhammad could have been corrected during those years. Very interesting.
As for Jew and Christians fasting, some do. However, not necessarily in the 9th month
See now the thing with this is, that you don't mind who said it and so forth, so you indirectly would not mind taking guidance from men who may not have been sent by Almighty G-d. Although I agree that the overall theme of both books seems to be of love and peace, this does not consequently mean that both, or one should be followed.
Well it is only logical that G-d would chose a person and uplift that person, in order to keep the message free from error.
Also, Islamicly speaking I think Muslims have the incident of honey and of the blind man, in which Mohammed peace be upon him is corrected,
Think about this logically now.
1. The Bible as a whole is not from Almighty G-d, maybe some books that are in there resemble the revelation sent, for example, the Torah may resemble the revelation to Moses peace be upon him, the Psalms may resemble the revelation to David peace be upon him, there is not Gospel of Jesus so that aint even resembling nothing.
The more you go into it the more you see theories such as the 4 authors of the Torah we have now, so how can we even say that the Bible's book of Moses are anything of Moses'. Psalms, you should read what the Bible says on it.
But even if I agree with you, for the sake of arguement, that maybe what we have in the Bible now is changed revelation, we can understand, Who was Moses Sent to? Who was David sent to? Who was Jesus sent to? and what time period were they sent to?
See once you have concluded the answers to these you can understand pretty clear.
Let me give you an example, if I have a letter to give to a group of 5 people, and the letter is only needed for 5 hours until a further messenger can come with another set of instruction for them, then, after those 5 hours, would I still need that letter? Nope, becaue a new letter will have arrived a letter which is more updated, which is more relavent and because the old instructions were only for a set time period they dont apply no more, so since the old letter is not needed, there is no need for me to guard it!
Same with the message of the people of old, if the people they were sent to and the time period the message was for has passed why would G-d need to keep the books the same?
The Qu'ran though is sent as a mercy to the Alameen, it is sent for now on if I am not mistaken, so therefore it is only logical it is guarded, since it is still supposed to be a guidance for us.
Its probably my lack of knowledge but I haven't heard this.
Ok, well two things on whether it was part of the culture or not.
I am not aware if it was or wasn't, but if it was then most will probably say it was a costum descended from Abraham peace be upon him or someone like that.
I think Christians fast due to JEsus' fasting too, I dont know.
If I am also not mistaken to my understanding fasting was prescribed to some before the coming of the Law given to Mohammed, so it wouldnt be anything amazing bro.
As for if G-d wanted people to fast in that month why wouldnt the rest do it, well, somethings are given in some laws and some are not, like the making of statues not being Haram in the time of Sulaiman, thats something he was allowed under his law.
I don't see the point in dwelling on such things personally, but if it is something bothering you I sincerly hope you find the truth in it.
EDIT: Peep:
002.183 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, even as it was prescribed for those before you, that ye may ward off (evil);
SHAKIR: O you who believe! fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard (against evil).
Well most surprising statement I have seen
glad you see that and I hope that we can benefit from each other.Don't assume
Lol well that's the comperative religion section for ya :thankyou:
Peaceeeeeee
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Salaam iLL_Leat, How is it going so far? I told you that they were nice here didn't I?
The ninth month (Khislev) used to be the major fasting month for Christians until Lent took over in importance. Sabi`een stil fast through Khislev, though many have preferred to fast during the ninth month with Muslims over the years.
As for Jews, The only long period of mourning which many fast through is the feest of weeks which is about to come to an end this week with Shavuot. Some Sabi`een in Australia fast with Jews during this period.
LOL nice one sis.
P.S. Are you a Sabi? Send me a message.
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