Is the gulen movement one of the 72 deviant sects?

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well the Jews said... badly paraphrased.. that heaven was only for them..

let's learn what not to do at least!

say to the Jews, if you believe then long for death, but they will not because they know what there hands have put forth..

my grammar is off.
 
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This Ummah will split into 73 sects. That is what Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم informed us.

Now, the `Ulamaa of Arabic have mentioned something with regards to the usage of the number 70 in Arabic, and that is: The number 70 can be used in one of two ways:

1) Literally (it is actually 70). Or

2) To denote a very large number, i.e. "So-and-so has 70 cars." The person could actually have 500 cars, yet an Arab would say "70", because 70 is understood in Arabic to sometimes be referring simply to a very large number.

Based on that, this Ummah could either split into 73 sects (which would mean that only the major sects count, and smaller sects would not count and thus not form part of the 73), or 2) 73 is referring to a large number, and it means that a lot of sects will arise within this Ummah.

Allaahu A`lam.

If it is the second meaning, then the Gulen movement could be regarded as one of those sects.
 
This Ummah will split into 73 sects. That is what Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم informed us.

Now, the `Ulamaa of Arabic have mentioned something with regards to the usage of the number 70 in Arabic, and that is: The number 70 can be used in one of two ways:

1) Literally (it is actually 70). Or

2) To denote a very large number, i.e. "So-and-so has 70 cars." The person could actually have 500 cars, yet an Arab would say "70", because 70 is understood in Arabic to sometimes be referring simply to a very large number.

Based on that, this Ummah could either split into 73 sects (which would mean that only the major sects count, and smaller sects would not count and thus not form part of the 73), or 2) 73 is referring to a large number, and it means that a lot of sects will arise within this Ummah.

Allaahu A`lam.

If it is the second meaning, then the Gulen movement could be regarded as one of those sects.
could you please explain why the gulen movement is one of those deviant sects? keep in mind I grew up surrounded by gulenists, and still am, and so switching to mainstream Islam will be harder for me.....
 
This Ummah will split into 73 sects. That is what Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم informed us.

Now, the `Ulamaa of Arabic have mentioned something with regards to the usage of the number 70 in Arabic, and that is: The number 70 can be used in one of two ways:

1) Literally (it is actually 70). Or

2) To denote a very large number, i.e. "So-and-so has 70 cars." The person could actually have 500 cars, yet an Arab would say "70", because 70 is understood in Arabic to sometimes be referring simply to a very large number.

Based on that, this Ummah could either split into 73 sects (which would mean that only the major sects count, and smaller sects would not count and thus not form part of the 73), or 2) 73 is referring to a large number, and it means that a lot of sects will arise within this Ummah.

Allaahu A`lam.

If it is the second meaning, then the Gulen movement could be regarded as one of those sects.

..lol I wonder how much I may have lost in translation and subtle nuances.

many thanks.
 
could you please explain why the gulen movement is one of those deviant sects? keep in mind I grew up surrounded by gulenists, and still am, and so switching to mainstream Islam will be harder for me.....

1) Modernist views.

2) Belief in democracy.

3) Believing Jews and Christians can go to Jannah.

Someone who has done some research into the Gulen movement can list many more points, I'm sure.

In any case, the movement is a deviant one.

Stay far away from all sects and sectarianism. Follow Islaam the way Sahaabah-e-Kiraam followed Islaam.
 
This Ummah will split into 73 sects. That is what Rasoolullaah صلى الله عليه وسلم informed us.

Now, the `Ulamaa of Arabic have mentioned something with regards to the usage of the number 70 in Arabic, and that is: The number 70 can be used in one of two ways:

I have always regarded as literal, even the hadiths are evident of that.

The famous hadeeth about the ummah splitting into seventy-three sects bears witness to that.


It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”


Narrated by Abu Dawood (4597) and others; classed as saheeh by al-Haakim (1/128), who said: it is an important hadeeth that represents a basic principle. It was classed as hasan by Ibn Hajar in Takhreej al-Kashshaaf (63). It was classed as saheeh by Ibn Taymiyah in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (3/345), al-Shaatibi in al-I’tisaam (1/430), and al-‘Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (9/133). It is mentioned frequently and often quoted as evidence by the scholars in the books of Sunnah, and it was narrated from a number of the Sahaabah via many isnaads, most of the soundest of which specify the number of sects as being seventy-three.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:


Similarly, with the other seventy-two groups, those that are hypocrites are inwardly kaafirs, and those that are not hypocrites but rather believe inwardly in Allaah and His Messenger are not inwardly kaafirs, even though they are mistaken in their interpretations, regardless of what that mistake may be. Some of them may have some of the branches of hypocrisy, or they may not have the kind of hypocrisy that dooms a man to the lowest depths of Hell.


The one who says that each of the seventy-two sects is guilty of kufr that puts one beyond the pale of Islam is going against the Qur’aan and Sunnah and the consensus of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them all), and the consensus of the four imams and others. None of them regarded any of the seventy-two sects as kaafirs, rather they regard one another as kaafirs.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (7/218).


This does not mean that every sect that calls itself Muslim is actually Muslim, rather they may be kaafirs and apostates, such as the extreme Raafidis, the extreme Sufis and the baatini sects such as the Druze, Nusayris and others. These are all beyond the pale of Islam and are not regarded as being among the sects mentioned in the hadeeth.


https://islamqa.info/en/90112
 
1) Modernist views.

2) Belief in democracy.

3) Believing Jews and Christians can go to Jannah.

Someone who has done some research into the Gulen movement can list many more points, I'm sure.

In any case, the movement is a deviant one.

Stay far away from all sects and sectarianism. Follow Islaam the way Sahaabah-e-Kiraam followed Islaam.
I'm curious to know about the belief that some non-Muslim women will escape hellfire and be the sex slaves of Muslim men. Is that an acceptable belief, or is it deviant? It seems insane to me either way, but I honestly don't know if that's accepted by mainstream Islam.

The broad rejection of modernism and democracy also seems like it's not a winning strategy. But I don't doubt that those are considered deviant by mainstream Islam, at least for now.

"Abu Umama said, Allah be well-pleased with him: The Messenger of Allah said, upon him blessings and peace: “None is made to enter Paradise by Allah Most High except Allah Most High shall marry him to seventy-two wives, two of them from the wide-eyed maidens of Paradise and seventy of them his inheritance from the People of Hellfire, not one of them but her attraction never lags nor his arousal ever wanes.”
Ibn Majah, Ibn `Adi in the Kamil, and al-Bayhaqi in al-Ba`th wal-Nushur.


I have no idea who or what that source is, but if it's familiar to you I'd like to know if it's a source that you would trust or if you would consider it deviant.

Also, is this a good source? http://www.webcitation.org/64zXNO08I
 
Is this different from saying that Non-Muslims who did not know anything about Islam(aside from what they saw on tv), will be tested?

These days, the excuse of not knowing about Islaam can't be used. People have access to TVs, the internet, books, etc. Anyone wanting to learn about Islaam can do so very easily with minimal effort. We are not speaking about people living in some remote jungle who've never seen other humans.

No. In our time, everyone will be taken to task for not learning about Islaam because Allaah Ta`aalaa has made knowledge so very easily available. Never before in the history of the world was information so easily accessible as it is today. What excuse can there then be for not learning and acquiring that knowledge and information?

Anyone who really wants to learn about Islaam can do so. If they do not, it is simply because they've never had an interest in seeking the Truth.
 
There are millions of Islaamic books and articles available online; thousands of YouTube videos on Islaam; hundreds of websites and forums. The information is within the reach of every single person, yet no one wants to make an effort.

In the past, people would travel around the world seeking knowledge. They made that effort. These days, when it's so easy to acquire knowledge, people have become too lazy.
 
I disagree. If I was a non-Muslim, and all I saw from newspapers,news...etc was shootings, suicide bombers, rape, the mistreatment of women....etc then I would have no desire to learn anything more. I would have seen all I need to see. Especially with a group like isis who proclaim Islam. Who would WANT to learn about Islam after all that??

That is the mindset of non-Muslims. They see Islam as this evil force that wants to wreck havoc on earth. Are they ignorant? yes....but they have no reason to learn about Islam.


These days, the excuse of not knowing about Islaam can't be used. People have access to TVs, the internet, books, etc. Anyone wanting to learn about Islaam can do so very easily with minimal effort. We are not speaking about people living in some remote jungle who've never seen other humans.

No. In our time, everyone will be taken to task for not learning about Islaam because Allaah Ta`aalaa has made knowledge so very easily available. Never before in the history of the world was information so easily accessible as it is today. What excuse can there then be for not learning and acquiring that knowledge and information?

Anyone who really wants to learn about Islaam can do so. If they do not, it is simply because they've never had an interest in seeking the Truth.
 
I disagree. If I was a non-Muslim, and all I saw from newspapers,news...etc was shootings, suicide bombers, rape, the mistreatment of women....etc then I would have no desire to learn anything more. I would have seen all I need to see. Especially with a group like isis who proclaim Islam. Who would WANT to learn about Islam after all that??

That is the mindset of non-Muslims. They see Islam as this evil force that wants to wreck havoc on earth. Are they ignorant? yes....but they have no reason to learn about Islam.

They still won't be excused. The resources were available for them to learn about Islaam; they did not make use of it. The fault was theirs.
 
Which resources? When I google Islam, one of the hundreds of sites is "wiki Islam" which is a hate site that paints Islam in a bad light....great job.
They still won't be excused. The resources were available for them to learn about Islam; they did not make use of it. The fault was theirs.
 
The fact still remains that these people had the ability to learn about Islaam, but they didn't. A sincere seeker of the truth inquires and researches things for himself/herself regardless of what's on TV or not.
 
I don´t think that news expel non-Muslims to search truthful information about Islam or give to them only a bad image. Despite the fact that most of the news try to give a horrific image about Islam and Muslims in general, Islam spreads nowadays radiply - maybe faster than ever before - in the West.
 
Actually, it was the negative news reports in the West that ultimately led me TO Islam. Myself and my husband had heard so much about the wars and fighting, and also about natural disasters in the Middle East, that we wanted to go and help. My husband was interested in disaster mitigation, and myself in the preservation of history and historic sites. Since we were thinking about moving to the Middle East, I began learning about Islam so we could live there. I started with a fairly neutral college textbook on the religion, and began searching for more information on certain subjects online. It was not hard to find lectures from respected scholars on any topic. I quickly went from learning about Islam out of curiosity (and admittedly, self-preservation if I was going to be traveling to places like Afghanistan) to learning about it because it was the Truth.
 
I said on here that they believe Christians and jews can go to heaven, but I'm not sure now if that's really true or if that's a rumor. So they might believe Christians and Jews go to heaven, but that is unconfirmed...... here are some links....
http://www.gulenmovement.us/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gülen_movement

Mustafa I am sorry but you go nuts soon because of this issue. Just relax and learn Islam from it's original sources. The hadith you are reffering to has a symbolic meaning. There have been more than 73 sects within Islam in history and today. I would follow as much as the oldest ways if I were in your place. Most of the modern day "sects" "movements" etc. are controlled by the evil forces inorder to have control over the one and half billion Muslim world. And I am afraid this guy is just one of them. It is not that I am disagree with everything he says. Indeed I am agree with his peaceful side but it is obvious that he is under control of CIA..I am a peaceful Muslim myself but I don't buy this "moderate islam" project which is created by America.
 
By the way I don't want to offend my Muslim American brethren but it is a fact that America has plans over the Muslim World.
 

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