Is the gulen movement one of the 72 deviant sects?

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Considering the high likelihood that the Gulen movement is a victim of unjust conspiracy and that many large establishments have been baited into making weird statements out of fear of losing all that they have striven for in Allah's way, it is best to look to whether they do more good compared to bad, imho, the gulen movement has done a lot of good and it's leader was forced to leave Turkey after the secularist government there went after him for promoting the idea of an Islamic State long before 9/11.

I notice that such questions are never asked about wholesale corrupt movements like the skull and bones run American government, the bullingdon club run downing street, and the p2 lodge run rome, italy.
like why isn't 99% good 100% good? Should 1% good 99% bad discard it 99% good? ......Weird......i tell ya......
 
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Where can I find out about those plans?

Ummmm, by asking yourself why on earth Turkey is roosting on around 50 of America's nuclear bombs at the Incirlik base, coincidentally a base from which a jet refueller took off for the "coup attempt" before Erdogan coming down heavily on Gulenist schools and universities? I mean the CIA would never have been unaware of or allowed such a move without having a hand in it and would at least have told the Turkish government that such an incident was taking place - if they weren't all a part of the stage and subsequent posturing......
Reeks of evil, blackmail and fraud.........
 
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Ummmm, by asking yourself why on earth Turkey is roosting on around 50 of America's nuclear bombs at the Incirlik base, coincidentally a base from which a jet refueller took off for the "coup attempt" before Erdogan coming down heavily on Gulenist schools and universities? I mean the CIA would never have been unaware of or allowed such a move without having a hand in it and would at least have told the Turkish government that such an incident was taking place - if they weren't all a part of the stage and subsequent posturing......
Reeks of evil, blackmail and fraud.........
If the US was involved in what happened there, why would the US want to ensure that Turkey becomes far less secular and democratic and far more Islamist? Why would the US want to see Turkey start becoming closer with Russia than it has been in a long time, if ever?

Or did the US have a different plan and completely fail to figure out what the outcome would be?

All I'm saying is, if Turkey and Erdogan are part of a US-backed plan, we haven't seen any of that go according to US interests so far. Speaking of the Gulenists, he's staying in rural Pennsylvania. Erdogan asked the US to hand him over, and the US said no. How is that a plan?
 
If the US was involved in what happened there, why would the US want to ensure that Turkey becomes far less secular and democratic and far more Islamist? Why would the US want to see Turkey start becoming closer with Russia than it has been in a long time, if ever?

Or did the US have a different plan and completely fail to figure out what the outcome would be?

All I'm saying is, if Turkey and Erdogan are part of a US-backed plan, we haven't seen any of that go according to US interests so far. Speaking of the Gulenists, he's staying in rural Pennsylvania. Erdogan asked the US to hand him over, and the US said no. How is that a plan?

Maybe because of the fact that those controlling America took over administration of Russia after the cold war and dismantling of the soviet union and are playing pass the divided, weakened and desperate middle eastern countries from one hand to the other and draining their resources and strength via stoked turmoil and arms sales, so obama and putin lose nothing other than their places in paradise. America has been losing it's credibility in the middle east for a long time and has recently squandered any remaining goodwill it had amongst the people of turkey and so was erdogan when america gave away turkish territory to kurds, looks very much like they just passed the ball from left hand to right with a sleight of the hand.
And even if russia handn't been a proxy state, the two still make mega bucks from passing us around like toys.

Oh Muslims, our only hope is Allah and those who adhere to Him, don't lose taqwa and hope of help from Allah due to the false hopes, deceitful posturing rhetoric and stalling, blackmailing, and threatening false "peace talks" by awliyaa ash-shaytaan.
 
Maybe because of the fact that those controlling America took over administration of Russia after the cold war and dismantling of the soviet union
Putin was the head of the KGB, then he became the head of Russia, then after his term limits expired he rearranged Russian leadership so a different position would be the new head of Russia and he took that. Putin is very much in control of Russia, although there are powerful Russian oligarchs with interests that he needs to balance things against.

You seem to be suggesting that Russia and the US are in covert collusion with each other, but I don't believe that's the case. The US actually is rather worried about Russian expansionism, and Crimea continues to be a major concern.

and are playing pass the divided, weakened and desperate middle eastern countries from one hand to the other and draining their resources and strength via stoked turmoil and arms sales, so obama and putin lose nothing other than their places in paradise.
That's not really how it works. In reality, Turkey has a lot to gain from either the US or Russia, and right now they seem to be exploring the possibilities that Russia can help them explore. Erdogan is playing both ends against the middle.

America has been losing it's credibility in the middle east for a long time and has recently squandered any remaining goodwill it had amongst the people of turkey
Right now I'm willing to bet that Gulen supporters would love to spend some time in the US right about now.

and so was erdogan when america gave away turkish territory to kurds,
Not sure what you're talking about, when was this exactly? Link me, please.

And even if russia handn't been a proxy state, the two still make mega bucks from passing us around like toys.
And which country are you from? Would that be Turkey?

Oh Muslims, our only hope is Allah and those who adhere to Him, don't lose taqwa and hope of help from Allah due to the false hopes, deceitful posturing rhetoric and stalling, blackmailing, and threatening false "peace talks" by awliyaa ash-shaytaan.
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Putin was the head of the KGB, then he became the head of Russia, then after his term limits expired he rearranged Russian leadership so a different position would be the new head of Russia and he took that. Putin is very much in control of Russia, although there are powerful Russian oligarchs with interests that he needs to balance things against.
You seem to be suggesting that Russia and the US are in covert collusion with each other, but I don't believe that's the case. The US actually is rather worried about Russian expansionism, and Crimea continues to be a major concern.


Both the leaders of america and the leaders of russia are dependent upon the same usury barons and both their intelligence agemcies are infiltrated and run by arms of the same secret societies, and both are flooding the planet with their worthless unbacked paper posing as currency, even besides the fact that both make money from turmoil in the middle east.

America's infidel leadership pretends to be concerned about a lot of things, only to be discovered that the same kaafir leaders were the main players behind the plots. Studying the events of ww2 should make that easy to see.

That's not really how it works. In reality, Turkey has a lot to gain from either the US or Russia, and right now they seem to be exploring the possibilities that Russia can help them explore. Erdogan is playing both ends against the middle.
The people of Turkey stand to export huge amounts of resources and incur huge debts from the instability caused by the kuffaar who cause corruption and mischief from America the land that has become the leader in crime corruption, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality and infidelity to God.

Right now I'm willing to bet that Gulen supporters would love to spend some time in the US right about now.

I sure hope that some decide to take lawful action when they get there due to the corruption that the satanic infidel American government has fomented in their own lands without right or reason.

Not sure what you're talking about, when was this exactly? Link me, please.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish–Turkish_conflict_(1978–present)
Also parts of syria and iraq after the illegal invasion by america in 2003, bearing in mind that these are nationalist (racist) disputes whereas the recent events are based on Islam and a legitimate caliphate will absorb all Muslim majority lands inshaAllah.

And which country are you from? Would that be Turkey?

Again, racist boundaries are of no consequence to me within my ability to ignore them, i am Allah's servant and will do His work inshaAlkah, which is why i am concerned about events thousands of miles away.

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Both the leaders of america and the leaders of russia are dependent upon the same usury barons and both their intelligence agemcies are infiltrated and run by arms of the same secret societies, and both are flooding the planet with their worthless unbacked paper posing as currency, even besides the fact that both make money from turmoil in the middle east.
One of them also puts economic sanctions on the other, there are just a few things that aren't entirely consistent with your theory. Russia would probably still be part of the G-8, the fact that they're not and it's now the G-7 is an example of disconfirming evidence that you see but don't really look at.

America's infidel leadership pretends to be concerned about a lot of things, only to be discovered that the same kaafir leaders were the main players behind the plots. Studying the events of ww2 should make that easy to see.
WW2 was pretty great for us.

The people of Turkey stand to export huge amounts of resources and incur huge debts from the instability caused by the kuffaar who cause corruption and mischief from America the land that has become the leader in crime corruption, fornication, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality and infidelity to God.
The United States of America is the most powerful country in the history of the world, it's the best place to live, and the worst idea you'll ever have is to mess with it.

I sure hope that some decide to take lawful action when they get there due to the corruption that the satanic infidel American government has fomented in their own lands without right or reason.
This whole thread is primarily about Gulenism, you know what it is right? In relation to Erdogan, in relation to the rest of Islam, in relation to the US? It has been clearly stated at previous points in the thread that Gulenism is deviant vis a vis Islam, but what I just said about Gulenism vis a vis the US actually makes perfect sense. What you are saying, really doesn't.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish–Turkish_conflict_(1978–present)
Also parts of syria and iraq after the illegal invasion by america in 2003, bearing in mind that these are nationalist (racist) disputes whereas the recent events are based on Islam and a legitimate caliphate will absorb all Muslim majority lands inshaAllah.
Thank you for that, I'm not seeing exactly how the US is supposed to be the reason for the Kurds fighting Turkey and having these uprisings. I'm also noticing that the leader of the Kurdish separatist movement was eventually captured in Kenya, at an embassy, and the main countries involved in the capture included Israel and the US. The Kurds were generally quite angry at Israel (and to some extent a few others) for being instrumental his capture, transport to Turkey, and death sentence (later commuted and replaced with life imprisonment).

Also, just to clarify, how does a caliphate become legitimate, and do you think that either of the ersatz caliphates currently trying to survive could possibly become legitimate by your analysis?

Again, racist boundaries are of no consequence to me within my ability to ignore them, i am Allah's servant and will do His work inshaAlkah, which is why i am concerned about events thousands of miles away.
Okay, so the answer is no, you're not from anywhere near Turkey and you have nothing to do with the internal conflict they've been having between two (or three or four) different types of Muslims.

You keep putting all these names out there, kuffar infidel shaytann, oh what are some other ones. Deceitful posturing, Satanic infidel. That's a solid one. I mean, you just keep doing this sort of thing, you were looking like a little kid who needed someone to play with.

I thought we were playing a game. Lulz.
 

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