Is there a Creator ?

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Just to return to the original topic.

If you ask an Athiest if a car is designed and manufactured he would say yes.

If you asked an Atheist if this beautiful and wonderful world that we live in is designed and made he says no its just coincidence!!

I sometimes think that you need more faith to be an Athiest than to be a Muslim!

Peace
 
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Ansar Al-'Adl said:
The Makkan idolaters offered Prophet Muhammad saws all the bounties of the world if he would stop preaching his message, but he refused. Such was his piety and sincerity to God,
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He (SWH) wasnt just offered one woman he was offered any of them he desired, and to be the ruler of mekkah. Muhammed (SWH) was the truthful and did not desire and chase dunya, he established the religion of truth and did what was commanded of him by the Almighty.

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If you ask an Athiest if a car is designed and manufactured he would say yes.

If you asked an Atheist if this beautiful and wonderful world that we live in is designed and made he says no its just coincidence!!
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I think the atheist who gave such a response would be hard to find. I would probably show you the first car ever manufactured then show you the very latest cutting edge car and ask you to show me where like our "Buetiful World" could he show me the creator evolving his creation like the car evolved?
 
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I think the atheist who gave such a response would be hard to find. I would probably show you the first car ever manufactured then show you the very latest cutting edge car and ask you to show me where like our "Buetiful World" could he show me the creator evolving his creation like the car evolved?
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You spelt 'beautiful' wrong.

And that is all I shall say since I am feeling particularly pedantic today :)
 
I would probably show you the first car ever manufactured then show you the very latest cutting edge car and ask you to show me where like our "Buetiful World" could he show me the creator evolving his creation like the car evolved?
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the car didn't evolve itself.Someone caused it to evolve.
 
the car didn't evolve itself.Someone caused it to evolve.
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Your right.

The evolution of a car "by progressive improvement" does share a similarity with evolution. Slow and progressive improvement within it's environment.

"I mean it's not as if a car suddenly appeared pre-built in perfect order and with the engine running........."

You spelt 'beautiful' wrong.

And that is all I shall say since I am feeling particularly pedantic today
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Your right, I did.
 
"I mean it's not as if a car suddenly appeared pre-built in perfect order and with the engine running........."
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Men first created the car then evolved it.
 
aslaam alkyum,

how can you say that there is no creator?

no dont answer that, i think i know why, becsaue you cant concieve the idea of an enternal being that is perfect, becssue the world is is not erternal, nor is it perfect. Well dont try to concieve that, becsue trying to concieve that, is like trying to put the atlantic ocean in to a cup, its not goignt o happen.

wa alkyum aslaam
 
no dont answer that, i think i know why,
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OK, I won't answer that. You can carry on living in ignorance of what you think other people think rarther than know what other people think!

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Abdul Aziz said:
the car didn't evolve itself.Someone caused it to evolve.
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Perpahs, I am missing something here, but can you explain that how you can cause something to "evolve" that was created from scratch to end, not to mention it happens for each car when it is built? That is why we use words like "built", "manufacturing" and "car builder/car manufacturer" etc.


If man evolved than why man procreates?

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oh I get the point.

I meant that the model of the car evolved.the idea evolved.well could have made a mistake like I always do.
 
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Preacher, I don't see your point either.

Evolution and procreation are two different things. Evolution is the gradual adaptation of a species to its environment. Procreation is the reproduction of the individual members of a species.

Of course I believe in Allah, I'm just finding difficulty seeing your point here.

Oh, wait... I kinda see it now, but it's still sort of strange. Procreation still doesn't mean man wouldn't evolve - indeed, adaptations take a few generations to manifest themselves. So while evolution and procreation are two different procesesses, both are interlinked.

(important note: I'm not talking about evolution as in the theory of man evolving from apes, but evolution in the sense of gradual adaptation e.g. the fact that we no longer use our appendix)
 
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