Is there a war against Islam ? I ask this question because many non Muslims seem to t

[Grace Seeker]

Be calm, people. Even when Rasoolullah saws was facing imminent defeat in Madinah ghazwah khandaq, he still had good news for the believers.
Rasoolullah and al-Qur'an al-Kareem promise victory to the believers in death and in life. This is a promise from Allah. He created Islam and its supporters and its enemies, and He knows best.


Worry about being a believer, and seeking the favor of Allah. Strengthen your relationship with Allah by prayer and duaa. Be sincere and be thorough in these two things.

This ^ is a good word whatever faith one has.

"The greedy stir up conflict, but those who trust in the LORD will prosper." Proverbs 28:25 </p>

Be calm when you read all these terrible news reports and remember that nothing happens without the will of Allah, because He created everything and He is powerful over all things. SubhanAllah!

Does this even apply to that terrible scene in the YouTube video? I'm hoping that we can both say YES, even as we seek to see that situation changed. At least God has used it to prompt this particular conversation.

 

[Argamemnon]

can machines overcome man power and gorilla warfare?

what is the distinguishing feature of this type of warfare; do gorilla's take part in it?

 

[Argamemnon]

Similarly, Christian pastors (and I suppose Imams in mosques as well, though I haven't heard) have been told that there are some thing that we cannot speak about from our pulpits. The suggestion is that doing so is to engage in political discourse and a violation of this non-Constitutional concept of separation of church and state. So, not only are we restricted with regard to the practice of our religion, but also there is an attempt to control free speech.When a Constitutional right can be perverted in order to be used to eliminate the very thing that it is meant to guarantee, I call that a war on the whole concept of religion, not just Islam.

The situation in Turkey is even worse. If you are religious you are deemed an enemy of the state, as simple as that. People who have been seen praying in the army (even in their spare time) are immediately expelled etc. Of course this has changed to some extent in the past few years, but the fanatical and dogmatic secular forces are still extremely powerful over there, as well as public support for those forces (unfortunately). Turkey is a very split society.

 

[جوري]

what is the distinguishing feature of this type of warfare; do gorilla's take part in it?

only Gorillas that wear long johns :haha:

 

[Grace Seeker]

The situation in Turkey is even worse. If you are religious you are deemed an enemy of the state, as simple as that. People who have been seen praying in the army (even in their spare time) are immediately expelled etc. Of course this has changed to some extent in the past few years, but the fanatical and dogmatic secular forces are still extremely powerful over there, as well as public support for those forces (unfortunately). Turkey is a very split society.

So I've heard. While I tend to agree with what Hayrünnisa Gül (the president's wife for those who haven't heard of her) said last year: “A girl cannot decide on her own to wear the headscarf at such a young age. She should decide for herself when she is old enough to do so.” I was surprised when my daughter told me that she couldn't wear a hijab as a university student. I have no doubt that she had made such a decision for herself, and find it contrary to the ideals of tolerance and the non-promotion of religion that one should be prohibited from an accepted religious practice.

I had not heard of anyone being expelled from the army for praying, but I don't doubt that it may have happened. It all seems very strange to me. The opposite of the sort of tolerance that "secularlism" claims for itself.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I had not heard of anyone being expelled from the army for praying, but I don't doubt that it may have happened. It all seems very strange to me. The opposite of the sort of tolerance that "secularlism" claims for itself.

This is where the separation of church and state (secularism) would benefit the religious people. Secularism doesn't mean anti-free-religion, and such a stance, ie outlawing any religion would oppose secularism. Religious folks should hopefully come to see this an stop attempting to erode the wall of separation of church and state. Becasue that very wall may be their refuge if things turn the other way too strongly.

I have often tried to point this out to people in the USA who push for Christian influence and dominance in laws, the ten commandments in court rooms, etc. These people do not seem to realize that by cutting away at the wall of separation between church and state they may be paving the way for OTHER religions (or anti-religion) to go through the opening they create and supress them.

 

[GuestFellow]

This is where the separation of church and state (secularism) would benefit the religious people. Secularism doesn't mean anti-free-religion,

Secularism can lead to anti-religion. Secularism does promote separation of Church and State but it has lead or contributed to religious symbols being banned (e.g. cross, hijab, kirpan, etc).

I doubt we have seen the full effect of secularism.

 

[جوري]

secularism is another religion, like atheism and humanism .. human like to invent things to adore.. things of a lower common denominator because they can't compass God!

 

[GuestFellow]

secularism is another religion, like atheism and humanism .. human like to invent things to adore.. things of a lower common denominator because they can't compass God!

Which is why some atheists reject God and look for other explanations such as aliens...

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

In Islam, as far as I have found out, there is no separation of the Church and the State. There is no demarcation between religious activities and secular activities. Ad din ul Islam. Islam is a complete way of life. That means Islam encompasses all aspects of life, both private and public. Politics is as much a part of religious practice just as religious practice is as much a part of politics, for example. To say that Islam has got nothing to do with politics is the same as saying Allah knows nothing about politics, which is impossible since Allah knows everything.

More to the point, politics is the way we organize our relationship with other people, either as individuals or as nations. There is no way that we can have proper relationships if our relationships are not formed according to the teachings of Islam. So, to me, secularism only has meaning for those people who deny the truth that Allah, their Creator, knows best what is the most successful way to live.

 

[Aprender]

I thought this video was somewhat interesting. The person who uploaded it won't allow embedding but here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqI0Awu66H0

 

[Trumble]

More to the point, politics is the way we organize our relationship with other people, either as individuals or as nations. There is no way that we can have proper relationships if our relationships are not formed according to the teachings of Islam. So, to me, secularism only has meaning for those people who deny the truth that Allah, their Creator, knows best what is the most successful way to live.

We are perhaps more in 'comparative religion' than 'world affairs' here, but 'those people' simply do not exist. Very few would deny that a God which they know to exist knows 'what's best'!

What you actually have are two main groups. The first are those who don't believe God exists and therefore are hence not 'denying' anything about what such a God may or may not know. The second group (which, taken as a whole is actually a significant majority of the world's population!) disagree about what, exactly, it is that God DOES know is best. It is actually to accommodate these religious differences that secularism exists. It just accepts that what many choose to present as 'fact' is invariably in reality opinion or belief, even if some beliefs are widely or even universally held, and attempts to organize society on grounds the majority can agree on.

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

We are perhaps more in 'comparative religion' than 'world affairs' here, but 'those people' simply do not exist. Very few would deny that a God which they know to exist knows 'what's best'!

From my personal experience, 'those people' are very real and very alive. They have decided that God is only suitable for confinement to places of religious worship and must be referred to, if at all, in the context of religious activities. They treat God, more or less, like an old, senile person who is relegated to the honorary position of chairman of the board who has got no authority whatsoever in the actual running of daily affairs. In the conduct of, say, politics and business, they worship other deities like 'democracy' and 'capitalism'. I am not saying that Islam is contrary to the concept of 'democracy' or that Islam is against 'capitalism'. What I am saying is that 'those people' define 'democracy' and 'capitalism' on the go, according the whims and fancies of expediency.

Perhaps you have met such people, too.

 

[Pygoscelis]

So, to me, secularism only has meaning for those people who deny the truth that Allah, their Creator, knows best what is the most successful way to live.

If you push for theocracy under your religion, then you really leave no valid ground to stand against an anti-religious state. If you bring down that wall you can't then use it as a shield. If you demand theocracy you have no right to complain when your religion is banned. Pretty simple really.

 

[Ali Mujahidin]

If you push for theocracy under your religion, then you really leave no valid ground to stand against an anti-religious state. If you bring down that wall you can't then use it as a shield. If you demand theocracy you have no right to complain when your religion is banned. Pretty simple really.

I am sorry but you lost me there.

Why should I push for a theocracy or, for that matter, any other flavor of 'cracy' or 'crazy', as the case might be? The way I understand it, Islam does not need to be re-branded. Also I do not see any need for a referendum or a revolution to install an Islamic state. First and foremost, you must be convinced that Islam is your chosen way of life and you must be convinced that it is the right choice. Then you do your humanly best to live as a Muslim, in the full sense of the word. The next step is to involve your family, then your neighbors and so on and so forth. There is no compulsion in Islam. As the numbers grow, Insha Allah, the Islamic state will come into existence by itself.

Pretty simple really, isn't it?

 

[جوري]

We have already discussed ad infinitum on this very board that an Islamic state isn't a theocracy rather a shura system.. and given the definition of theocracy also at great length .. makes you wonder if any of these people read anything besides their own words? how tribal!

 

[GuestFellow]

I thought this video was somewhat interesting. The person who uploaded it won't allow embedding but here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqI0Awu66H0

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYA...

^That is all I can hear.

On a serious note, I got a headache from listening to her. She is like hyperactive version of Wafa Sultan.

How on Earth do these people reach influential positions?

 

[Trumble]

From my personal experience, 'those people' are very real and very alive. They have decided that God is only suitable for confinement to places of religious worship and must be referred to, if at all, in the context of religious activities. They treat God, more or less, like an old, senile person who is relegated to the honorary position of chairman of the board who has got no authority whatsoever in the actual running of daily affairs. In the conduct of, say, politics and business, they worship other deities like 'democracy' and 'capitalism'. I am not saying that Islam is contrary to the concept of 'democracy' or that Islam is against 'capitalism'. What I am saying is that 'those people' define 'democracy' and 'capitalism' on the go, according the whims and fancies of expediency.

Perhaps you have met such people, too.

Possibly.. perhaps our difference of opinion is less than my previous might suggest. I just wonder if those that "decided that God is only suitable for confinement to places of religious worship and must be referred to, if at all, in the context of religious activities" really do believe in the way you do. There is so much pressure these days for politicians in particular to conform, and to do that they almost have to perform a religious role. In the UK, perhaps, a declared atheist might still become Prime Minister, but it's inconceivable these days that one could become President of the United States, for example.




@ Guestfellow,

Every time I see that darned sig pic of yours I get hungry!

 

[Pygoscelis]

ThisOldMan, perhaps I misread:

In Islam, as far as I have found out, there is no separation of the Church and the State. There is no demarcation between religious activities and secular activities.

There is no way that we can have proper relationships if our relationships are not formed according to the teachings of Islam.

It just looks a lot to me like a call for theocracy (knocking down of the wall between church and sate).

Especially when written immediately after my call for separation of church and state and my pointing out how this protects church as much as it does state.