Is there psychological therapy that can help homosexual?

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ardianto said:
I believe the same thing too that homosexual mostly is psychological disorder. That's why I hope there is therapy that can make them have desire to opposite gender too, so they will be able to choose heterosexual way of life. I think like this because I found there are many bisexual in my place who choose to focus their desire only to opposite gender and avoid homosexual activities.
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No it is not "too"..Bisexuality has the homosexuality as well. The homosexual activity comes from the homosexual thought and the homosexual thought (If it doesnt originate from a biological disorder) is an abnormality and can be corrected through some therapy. So it is not that one can have homosexual desire but can live a marriage life with his/her opposite gender spouse at the same time. This may cause a problem in time.
 
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Things are that simple. You advise therapy without advising someone to purify their nafs? That is spiritual therapy in itself, and that is what is prescribed to us. Simply going to a doctor doesn't fix anything, don't deceive yourself. Everything will and does fix itself if we make Du'a and control our nafs, that is the whole struggle of dunya and the best of advice is what was given by Allah and His Messenger. Just saying Allah gave us problems to solve doesn't mean we turn away from Du'a.. that is very wrong. Yes, making Du'a alone will cure cancer, if Allah wills. And Allah knows best.
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Talk is easy. Dua alone is not enough, prophet s.a.w. said to tie you camel and then put your trust in
Allah. Do your part also, and not just leave it to Allah. This is for 2 reasons, 1. Allah wants us to be productive and put the effort in ourselves as well. and 2. very very few have such level of eman that dua alone can cure them from cancer, and that was back in they early days. you will hardly find anyone of such level of eman. So while I do understand where you are coming from, your advice dua only is not realistic and helpful for the others facing today's issues.
 
islamirama said:
Talk is easy. Dua alone is not enough, prophet s.a.w. said to tie you camel and then put your trust in
Allah. Do your part also, and not just leave it to Allah. This is for 2 reasons, 1. Allah wants us to be productive and put the effort in ourselves as well. and 2. very very few have such level of eman that dua alone can cure them from cancer, and that was back in they early days. you will hardly find anyone of such level of eman. So while I do understand where you are coming from, your advice dua only is not realistic and helpful for the others facing today's issues.
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I am not advising Du'a only. By all means, be proactive and make efforts, of course. But ultimately, homosexuality and diseases of the heart start with purifying ourselves firstly, and not relying on therapy to solve these diseases. So we shouldn't say Du'a won't help, purifying won't help, going back to Deen won't help, because this all helps much more than therapy. But I understand where you are coming from also, brother and I can agree to disagree. Allah knows best. BarakAllahu fik.
 
nbegam said:
My post/statement is in general for the therapy which is a good solution according to your post. I pointed out that the best therapy /remedy /treatment is the FEAR of Allah. I reminded the wrath of stones which will come due to the Anger of Allah and it will be a killer wrath. So the sinners must fear Allah and stop the sin.
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Fear of Allah is needed for everything. A homosexual may stop himself/herself from doing it for the entire life by fearing of Allah. But this may not make him/her happy. You can be both happy and refrain from the sin if you use your mind.
 
Those methods have been proven not to work for most people. Homosexuals have to overcome sexual desire just like everyone else. Understandably, marriage and halal sex is difficult because they are not attracted to the opposite gender but if they believe in Allah they only have two choices: 1. Submit to Allah and resist their sexual desires by remaining celibate 2.Marry the opposite gender and ask Allah to help them make a successful marriage.
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You mean the therapies didnt work for most people? It is appriciated if you share the results with us. But your first option will not be a solution. They will always live this strugle until the end of their lives. It is not the same struggle of a normal man/woman. You still have the hope of a marriage. Hopelessness is completely a different thing.
 
anatolian said:
They will always live this strugle until the end of their lives. It is not the same struggle of a normal man/woman.
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It is is the same, you just have to change your mindset if you want to get real results. so long as people keep treating this like an incurable disease you have to live with for rest of your life, then that's all you will get. Give me 24hrs with a homo and watch me beat it out of him like the holy men beat the devil out of you. When people stop walking on egg shells and start walking on hot coals, they'll learn anything is possible.
 
anatolian said:
You mean the therapies didnt work for most people? It is appriciated if you share the results with us. But your first option will not be a solution. They will always live this strugle until the end of their lives. It is not the same struggle of a normal man/woman. You still have the hope of a marriage. Hopelessness is completely a different thing.
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Conversion therapy in general does not work for most people. The struggle is defiantly the same and celibacy is an option. What if Allah choose to never grant me a husband? Should I just go out and have sex? Or what if my husband becomes paralyzed from the waist down and never gets an erection again, would my sexual desires just evaporate? Also, you don't know my sexual orientation. I will have you know that bisexuality is a thing and I used to struggle with urges for both men and women but I still never slept with a woman. In fact when I had those urges I lowered my gaze and separated myself from her. I also asked Allah to help me.
 
Gay people will have to deal with their sexual desires just like everyone else. A gay (Muslim) will have no choice but to live their life in celibacy if their desire is to hook up with the same sex. It may not sound wise to you but, that's something they will have to deal with.
 
islamirama said:
It is is the same, you just have to change your mindset if you want to get real results. so long as people keep treating this like an incurable disease you have to live with for rest of your life, then that's all you will get. Give me 24hrs with a homo and watch me beat it out of him like the holy men beat the devil out of you. When people stop walking on egg shells and start walking on hot coals, they'll learn anything is possible.
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You can't "beat the gay" out of someone any more than you can "beat cancer" out of someone. Illnesses of any kind take time, the right treatment, and above all, respect and compassion for the person suffering from the illness. You don't get mad at a person because they have schizophrenia and cannot keep a straight mind to fast. in the same respect it is unfair to be angry at a homosexual if you truly believe that it is a mental illness.
 
Little_Lion said:
You can't "beat the gay" out of someone any more than you can "beat cancer" out of someone. Illnesses of any kind take time, the right treatment, and above all, respect and compassion for the person suffering from the illness. it is unfair to be angry at a homosexual if you truly believe that it is a mental illness.
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Sure you can, watch me. That is the "therapy" that was given before these sissy cry baby "sensitivities" came into play and money making shrinks came along. And I don't consider it a "mental illness", just a perversion that can be beaten out of you.
 
Conversion therapy in general does not work for most people. The struggle is defiantly the same and celibacy is an option. What if Allah choose to never grant me a husband? Should I just go out and have sex? Or what if my husband becomes paralyzed from the waist down and never gets an erection again, would my sexual desires just evaporate? Also, you don't know my sexual orientation. I will have you know that bisexuality is a thing and I used to struggle with urges for both men and women but I still never slept with a woman. In fact when I had those urges I lowered my gaze and separated myself from her. I also asked Allah to help me.
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Sister. Sorry but you are dramatizing it. I am not telling that homosexual relationship is any natural and can be practiced in Islam. It is still sin. I am just telling that it has a background and can be corrected and at least some if not all of these people can find a salvation by this way both in this world and hereafter.
 
islamirama said:
It is is the same, you just have to change your mindset if you want to get real results. so long as people keep treating this like an incurable disease you have to live with for rest of your life, then that's all you will get. Give me 24hrs with a homo and watch me beat it out of him like the holy men beat the devil out of you. When people stop walking on egg shells and start walking on hot coals, they'll learn anything is possible.
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I simply don't see any need to have too much hatred against these people who do not harm any people other than themselves. We already have plenty of people to hate who harm other people in this world..
 
anatolian said:
Sister. Sorry but you are dramatizing it. I am not telling that homosexual relationship is any natural and can be practiced in Islam. It is still sin. I am just telling that it has a background and can be corrected and at least some if not all of these people can find a salvation by this way both in this world and hereafter.
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How am I being dramatic?
 
anatolian said:
I simply don't see any need to have too much hatred against these people who do not harm any people other than themselves. We already have plenty of people to hate who harm other people in this world..
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Love that which Allah and His Messenger loves, hate that which Allah and His Messenger hates.

That does not mean we go out hunting for homos to kill, i leave that to the bible thumpers.
 
islamirama said:
Love that which Allah and His Messenger loves, hate that which Allah and His Messenger hates.

That does not mean we go out hunting for homos to kill, i leave that to the bible thumpers.
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Allah hates the sin, we know this. However, We can't know for sure whom Allah hates. We must be more careful on whom we hate. Allah may love a homosexual more than you and me.
 
anatolian said:
Allah hates the sin, we know this. However, We can't know for sure whom Allah hates. We must be more careful on whom we hate.
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Hate the sin and not the sinner is a concept of the Christians. The phrase is believed to have come from St. Augustine, an ancient Catholic who in his letter of 211 (C.424) included the words “Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum” which when translated to English means “With love for mankind and hatred of their sins.” Many Muslims are adopting it but that is not how it works.


We do know who Allah hates. He says so Himself.

Here are 30 examples: http://www.authentictauheed.com/2011/03/30-people-allah-hates-shaikh-faisal.html

And here are 7 qualities He hates : https://amuslimsistermaria200327.wo...t-allah-loves-and-7-ones-that-allah-dislikes/

Note that #4 is :Allah says:“Verily, Allah does not like the transgressors-(mu’tadeen)” (Al-Quraan 5: 87).

AND homosexuality is a transgression.


Allah may love a homosexual more than you and me.
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Please don't go around speaking on behalf of Allah. Have you no fear of Allah?


Do you know what Allah says about the sin AND the sinner, especially a homo?

15:74. And We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down and rained down on them stones of baked clay.

15:75. Surely, in this are signs for those who see (or understand or learn the lessons from the Signs of Allaah).


Do you know what the Prophet :saw: says about the sin and the sinner, especially a homo?

The Messenger of Allaah :saws1: said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.


Those clicking "Like" to his post also need to correct their knowledge about this issue. stop supporting lies against Allah.
 
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