Is World of Warcraft Haram or ?

[Simple_Person]

loooooooool ;D ;D

Honestly, this generation of men are so much more feminine than last generations, and it's not just in their style or anything..it's the way they carry themselves, and it will continue til we can't tell the difference between a man and a woman

Alhemdulilah my father was a hard working man. He's worked hard all of his life. He came to the US with nothing in his pocket, a child to feed, (cute little me ) a wife, and didn't know any of the language. Mashallah for as long as I can remember he has NEVER complained when he had all the right to complain. Now you have guys crying like little girls about how they can't get a job and how depressed they, how their parents don't understand them, or how they need drugs in their life to get through the day etc etc all while they have everything they could ever need to be successful. At any sign of difficulty or strife, they run away and escape into their little wonderland of games. And their ultimate excuse is "oh but it's better than doing worse things!" ....yeah ok.

But I am blessed to have seen the example of my parents and grandparents of what overcoming hardship really is. I know what I"m saying is going to hit a nerve with some people, but idc lol. This is just how I view guys these days.

i would recommend you to watch this documentary

All we ever wanted: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1937090/

PM me, if you can't find it to watch.

 

[MisterK]

** Reported by al-Qarrab **

On the authority of Abu ad-Darda’, may Allah Almighty shower His favors on him,

who narrates from The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings from Allah Almighty be upon him, who said,

“All games are idle play but three things :
the riding of horses,
the casting of arrows,
and a man playing with his wife ;
And of these the most beloved to me is the casting of arrows.”
There is also another version of the Hadith that replaces wife with family

A lot of girls and women like video games too. So then, by this, it sounds like a husband and wife playing video games together is perfectly acceptable. Or with your kids, if you use the family version of the Hadith.

 

[Simple_Person]

No they are absolutely not! loool

Shoot a real gun and tell me if it's the same as shooting one online. Tell me how you can feed your family by hunting with a gun online ;D

Tell me where you can travel on a horse online, and how you will be taking care of it, and reaping the good deeds of doing so.

There's nothing real about virtual reality!!

I am not sure how you can disgrace us .. I have played "Red Dead Redemption" hours on end riding a horse. I know exactly what kind of buttons to push to get up on a horse and what kind of button to push to gain speed. I even have shot birds flying while riding on my horse.

Red dead redemption: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLVDHLyN-bI

I have played hours of counter strike 1.6 and i know what all those guns are called and how many bullets each gun contains. I know how to "bunnyhop" and how to press the mouse click to shoot and where to aim for a head shot.

That real world guns and shooting is child play. I have made multiple head shots with only one gun magazine of 7 bullets and made 6 head shots.

Counter strike bunny hop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_PJ4tBZLH8

I know how to shoot arrows as i have played Legend of Zelda very often.

Legend of zelda shooting gallery: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzbJssK12l4

Look at our physique and how manly we have become..

 

[*charisma*]

See what I mean your just making stereo types you just think that every videogamer has no life and lives inside a cardboard box and hates light why don't you look at things with reality most little kids or unrespoible people play and abuse video games like that as I said it's like any other hobbie it just depends on if you have a abusive personality

I used to play video games as a child, so it's not like I'm foreign to the idea of video games. The thing is, I GREW UP, whereas others are still carrying this game playing into their adulthood. The only thing I'm saying is that video games overtime are emasculating men, that guys (or girls) who play them often are wasting their time and money, and usually lack basic life skills. Game playing is a childish thing. I don't care how you want to look at it. I understand that you're saying that you do other things with your time. I'm not talking about that. It has nothing to do with your other qualities. I'm saying that the fact that people still play games way long after they have grown up is not masculine to me at all. It looks like someone still drinking out of a baby bottle. Doesn't mean they don't do other things, doesn't mean they are bad people, it's just...childish. I personally don't see any benefit to it. You may see it as beneficial because it prevented you from doing worse things, I get that, and that's good, but it should be used as a transition, not a goal.

 

[Ineed Umar]

I agree with a greed companies show, but still if I say there is an overpriced khajoor in a shop would you dare to steal it?
I have read your post and I can see your supporying the software you like but saying stealing it doesn't matter if it is overpriced is wrong, many people really depend on the profits these things make, Microsoft offive is made by dozens of programmers who need to get payed stealing the software is like stealing their income, even if we know companies are making like hundred percent profit on loss on that program they'll still pay the employees less. On ads I agree id rather pay then watch these, but still, you watvh telebision you have to tolerate the ads, even on magazines so why not software?

Though what you are doijg is not unethical bcoz you arw not makin any profit out of stolen stuff.


please don't mind me I'm just salty cause I'm innthe software engineering field.

 

[Simple_Person]

I agree with a greed companies show, but still if I say there is an overpriced khajoor in a shop would you dare to steal it?
I have read your post and I can see your supporying the software you like but saying stealing it doesn't matter if it is overpriced is wrong, many people really depend on the profits these things make, Microsoft offive is made by dozens of programmers who need to get payed stealing the software is like stealing their income, even if we know companies are making like hundred percent profit on loss on that program they'll still pay the employees less. On ads I agree id rather pay then watch these, but still, you watvh telebision you have to tolerate the ads, even on magazines so why not software?

Though what you are doijg is not unethical bcoz you arw not makin any profit out of stolen stuff.


please don't mind me I'm just salty cause I'm innthe software engineering field.

If you want to reply to people in the future, at least quote their comment or give @ <name>. I just read your comment and i knew it was directed to me.

You do not get it whatsoever even though you are in the software development field. You look at things as ..ooh "he wants it..but it is too expensive, so he "steals" it". Get your definitions and understanding correct first, then you can analyze it.

Let me give you some examples. At school we had TO HAVE Microsoft Windows + MS Office + MS SQL Server and down that path. I could not use just Linux with WINE + LibreOffice + some kind of open source software database.

The school has adapted themselves to use certain kind of software. I get that and i understand it. However WHY MUST i use M$ Windows? (Because for example MS SQL Server back then did not run on Linux). Or till this day still MS Office does not run on Linux even though trying to use it through WINE. I tried LibreOffice, but the open standards M$ tries to work as much as possible against it. So I MUST BUY MS Office + MUST BUY MS SQL Server + MUST BUY MS Windows.

I do not want to use those, but Microsoft is FORCING people and companies to use their software. Can you understand then how come people would rather pirate their stuff?

I am a VERY VERY HAPPY Linux user for already like 9 years. If you even gave me money to stop using Linux, i couldn't because everything that i wanted is possible on Linux. The system works for me instead of me working for it. I use Windows through virtual machine, because STILL in my personal life i am FORCED to use it. It is pirated, but i count it as the Windows that i have bought when i had to have it when i bought my laptop. So i consider it ..that i have bought it.

The virtual machine it self is Virtualbox (free), on my NAS i use phpvirtualbox for configuration. All the other apps are ALL free with the exception of 1. Balsamiq mockups, however the developers years back have stopped supporting it under Linux, so that is why i use the crack. In the last i believe 5 years that i have it, i have used it once. I have it now ..just in case, but i doubt i will be using it.

TSo for Photoshop, nobody is forcing me to use it, so i have GIMP on it just in case.

About apps on the phone (Android), i use first the illegal apps after some time when i really liked the app and tested it thoroughly, then i buy it. For example apps that i have bougt like (beautiful widgets, ipray, iquran pro). Many other apps i have pirated version of it until i have tested them to such a extend that i am confident and happy with it. I buy.

I believe Google has limited the "try"-phase of a app to 15 minutes. That is just WAYYY to short. Even buying something at the store with MANY products you can go and return it if it wasn't as you expected it.

Do not look at it from the perspective of a software developer, rather from a honest and logical human being. I am also in the IT-field, but i do not look at things like only..money..money..money. I look at honest way of doing business. When i am really happy with the product as well as the price i will pay for it. I still can remember when i bought my first NAS (Off-the-shelve) i was looking for a Media server. I found serveral Media servers back then. One was "Twonky Media Server". I almost paid for it because i could not find a pirated version. However just in days i found out about PS3 Media Server (open source & free). If i would have bought Twonky Media Server i would have wasted money on it and never gonna use it as it was not inferior to PS3 Media Server...it was even lower than inferior.

Broaden your horizon brother. When you and me die, we will not take money with us, we will take our deeds with us. That includes also doing business in a honest way.

 

[AhmedGassama]

:facepalm:

 

[cinnamonrolls1]

I agree with a greed companies show, but still if I say there is an overpriced khajoor in a shop would you dare to steal it?
I have read your post and I can see your supporying the software you like but saying stealing it doesn't matter if it is overpriced is wrong, many people really depend on the profits these things make, Microsoft offive is made by dozens of programmers who need to get payed stealing the software is like stealing their income, even if we know companies are making like hundred percent profit on loss on that program they'll still pay the employees less. On ads I agree id rather pay then watch these, but still, you watvh telebision you have to tolerate the ads, even on magazines so why not software?

Though what you are doijg is not unethical bcoz you arw not makin any profit out of stolen stuff.


please don't mind me I'm just salty cause I'm innthe software engineering field.

first time i thought id see someone say salty on islamic board,lmao

 

[cinnamonrolls1]

why is this such a big deal

 

[cinnamonrolls1]

just dont spend too much time on it,everything in moderatiom

 

[Zafran]

I used to play video games as a child, so it's not like I'm foreign to the idea of video games. The thing is, I GREW UP, whereas others are still carrying this game playing into their adulthood. The only thing I'm saying is that video games overtime are emasculating men, that guys (or girls) who play them often are wasting their time and money, and usually lack basic life skills. Game playing is a childish thing. I don't care how you want to look at it. I understand that you're saying that you do other things with your time. I'm not talking about that. It has nothing to do with your other qualities. I'm saying that the fact that people still play games way long after they have grown up is not masculine to me at all. It looks like someone still drinking out of a baby bottle. Doesn't mean they don't do other things, doesn't mean they are bad people, it's just...childish. I personally don't see any benefit to it. You may see it as beneficial because it prevented you from doing worse things, I get that, and that's good, but it should be used as a transition, not a goal.

I disagree video games are no different from watching films/TV shows, Or reading books/poetry/fictional stuff . Its also no different from any hobby or aesthetic activity. Humans are not just rational, practical and moral beings - we are also aesthetic beings.

Video games entertainment is far better activity then a lot of other activities people get up to taking drugs, drinking alcohol, chasing women. Playing games was one way of staying away from such activities - especially if your parents were strict and didn't let you go out of the house too much because of the fear of being trapped in some crazy vice.

Lastly your view of masculine and feminine idea doesn't apply for a good book or movie - its the same with video games. A good entertainment piece is seen to be good regardless of gender.

 

[keiv]

I used to play video games as a child, so it's not like I'm foreign to the idea of video games. The thing is, I GREW UP, whereas others are still carrying this game playing into their adulthood. The only thing I'm saying is that video games overtime are emasculating men, that guys (or girls) who play them often are wasting their time and money, and usually lack basic life skills. Game playing is a childish thing. I don't care how you want to look at it. I understand that you're saying that you do other things with your time. I'm not talking about that. It has nothing to do with your other qualities. I'm saying that the fact that people still play games way long after they have grown up is not masculine to me at all. It looks like someone still drinking out of a baby bottle. Doesn't mean they don't do other things, doesn't mean they are bad people, it's just...childish. I personally don't see any benefit to it. You may see it as beneficial because it prevented you from doing worse things, I get that, and that's good, but it should be used as a transition, not a goal.

If you feel that gaming as an adult is childish, that's fine. But to be fair, you mention that they usually lack basic life skills yet state that you don't want to talk about their other qualities (which could include basic life skills). That seems to go against itself.

The argument about gamers lacking basic life skills is a pretty broad statement as well. I've worked in the skilled trade business pretty much my whole adult life and have come across people (men in particular) of many different backgrounds who can't even change the oil in their car or even know how to check the pressure in their tires. They even hire people to do something as basic as changing the air filter in their air conditioning system in their house.

Growing up (in the US), before the internet was what it is today, I always used to see people out and about in the neighborhood on their time off, mostly during the weekends doing yard work, fixing their cars, socializing with their neighbors and so on. I live in the same neighborhood and nowadays, it's a rare occurrence to see someone walking down the street. Obviously other places are different but that's my experience in the area I live and grew up in. I personally think there are other factors besides gaming which are influencing people to become the way they are these days. Even with all the "how to" videos at our disposal, I feel people today lack the ability to do basic hands on work where as back then, people with no experience were much quicker at picking skills up and being able to apply them on their own. It might be a pessimistic view on things but that's just how I see it.

 

[Simple_Person]

"Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Take advantage of five before five: (1) your youth before your old age, (2) your health before your illness, (3) your riches before your poverty, (4) your free time before your work, and (5) your life before your death.”"

source used: http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.co...ge-of-five-blessings-before-you-are-deprived/

1: You are young and not old, make use of it. Playing games surely doesn't give you the use of what Islam is talking about.

2: You are still healthy while you are playing games, make use of it, before you fall ill and regret not using it because you were playing games.

3: You are still rich as you pay for the console, games and monthly subscription. Make use of that money before Allah takes it away from you. Spend those pennies rather on sadaqa so that you may reap the benefits later on in life or in the next life.

4: You have time to spend on not only fun things, but also useful things. Do it wisely, because there might come a time that you regret not having done so because your lack of free time.

5: You are alive and playing games, spend your life wisely because tomorrow Allah could take our lives.

All these tips, do not only apply to you guys but also to me. However i am already convinced that i have to follow that path but it is not easy. While you guys try to defend that which is rather keeping you occupied with the useless.

The hadith is from Rasullah(saws) not from me. If you say well what a bogus hadith, well go fight your battle with Allah and His Rasul giving you this advice.

 

[keiv]

"Ibn Abbas reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Take advantage of five before five: (1) your youth before your old age, (2) your health before your illness, (3) your riches before your poverty, (4) your free time before your work, and (5) your life before your death.”"

source used: http://dailyhadith.abuaminaelias.co...ge-of-five-blessings-before-you-are-deprived/

1: You are young and not old, make use of it. Playing games surely doesn't give you the use of what Islam is talking about.

2: You are still healthy while you are playing games, make use of it, before you fall ill and regret not using it because you were playing games.

3: You are still rich as you pay for the console, games and monthly subscription. Make use of that money before Allah takes it away from you. Spend those pennies rather on sadaqa so that you may reap the benefits later on in life or in the next life.

4: You have time to spend on not only fun things, but also useful things. Do it wisely, because there might come a time that you regret not having done so because your lack of free time.

5: You are alive and playing games, spend your life wisely because tomorrow Allah could take our lives.

All these tips, do not only apply to you guys but also to me. However i am already convinced that i have to follow that path but it is not easy. While you guys try to defend that which is rather keeping you occupied with the useless.

The hadith is from Rasullah(saws) not from me. If you say well what a bogus hadith, well go fight your battle with Allah and His Rasul giving you this advice.

I know this was a general post but, for me, I wasn't trying to defend it and stated that it was a waste of my time personally. I wanted to make a point regarding people's skill sets, or lack of it, based on a wider range of things vs basing it on gaming alone.

I agree with everything in your post though!

 

[Simple_Person]

I know this was a general post but, for me, I wasn't trying to defend it and stated that it was a waste of my time personally. I wanted to make a point regarding people's skill sets, or lack of it, based on a wider range of things vs basing it on gaming alone.

I agree with everything in your post though!

You know if we look at people and skills, there are two types one could derive to.

Rasullah(saws) according Aisha(ra), was a walking Qur'an. In other words perfection as a human being.

The two types are

Type 1: This person realizes that he will NEVER achieve the level Rasullah(saws) was at and has the mindset of why even try if i can't reach it?

Type 2: This person realizes that he will NEVER achive the level Rasullah(saws) was at but has the mindset of wanting to improve and do their best to reach as close as possible before Allah takes his soul.

What am i trying to say? Our skill sets no matter what we are talking about..good character, to memorization of the Qur'an to practicing Sunnah accordingly, to being perfect in your profession skill..can always be improved. I earlier to another brother replied that doing something fun, should also have some benefit in it. School these days is associated with stress, however one must ponder often to not associate knowledge with stress. Achieving certain skill set (learning language, to knowing how a car works to being able to make delicious pizza, could become something fun. However tend to follow like sheep and not really explore what we tend as UNIQUE individuals as fun. We narrow our mindset to playing games, watching movies/series. While so many other things we could do that could be fun and also being very beneficial. Still we do not do that. We have to ask ourselves, WHY? Why aren't we doing that? How come we tend to follow like sheep what the majority of people does? Can we proudly brand ourselves as stranger Rasullah(saws) talked about? Because in many habits that have no benefits in, we are not strangers, because we also are engaged in it.

So why is playing a game more fun than let's say baking a cake or learning how to paint a wall? We do not ask such questions, which is for sure we are the losers for not asking.

 

[FinalNyc]

World of warcraft is still a very known game now.

 

[cinnamonrolls1]

at the end of the day, it's a lot better to have video games as a hobby than to have like drinking or something as something done for "fun".

Lastly as long as it doesnt distract from your deen its fine in my opinion and obviously if its not explicit or sexual or anything.

 

[cinnamonrolls1]

i mean i read comic books,people probably think what kind of muslim girl reads superhero comics but its an interest of mines,and im very invested in reading and whatnot but i still dont forget my deen, i pray,read Quran,listen to lectures etc