ISIS and Kharijits [OPINION]

Yasir Qadhi has some wonderful lectures, one should however observe closely to see that that he toes a fine imaginary public opinion line and compromises his integrity when it comes to controversial issues.
o son of my mother, sieze me not by my beard or the hair of my head, the media did consider me nought and went near to calling me a fanatic lol.
still, i appreciate the fact that he gets what good he can done since nobody's situation is the same.
 
Mr.President said:
The best thing you could do is to refrain from sect related topics for now and learn Islam acquire knowledge

Aqueeda related knowledge
Once you done that then islamic history
And then you will understand that the only group that you belong to is Muslim who follows Al Quran and Sunnah
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Al-Qur'aan is the Book of Allah and the Sunnah is the method of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam to apply the Qur'aan orally and practically.

The Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam didn't make Islamic government in Makkah as the idolaters were fighting them and imposing sanctions on them. When hijrah was made to Madinah, the Muslims got a small Isamic State and the Islamic government was established at once. In the Madani surahs Allah sent down Laws according to circumstances and those laws were implemented without any delay. This is the Way of the Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam which is called Sunnah. Today there are many Muslim groups who use the word Sunnah but there is no practical application of the Sunnah. You also said "Sunnah". If you negate the the Islamic government then what do you mean by Sunnah? Please explain.
 
nbegam said:
Al-Qur'aan is the Book of Allah and the Sunnah is the method of Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam to apply the Qur'aan orally and practically.

The Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam didn't make Islamic government in Makkah as the idolaters were fighting them and imposing sanctions on them. When hijrah was made to Madinah, the Muslims got a small Isamic State and the Islamic government was established at once. In the Madani surahs Allah sent down Laws according to circumstances and those laws were implemented without any delay. This is the Way of the Prophet Muhammad salla Allaho alaihi wa sallam which is called Sunnah. Today there are many Muslim groups who use the word Sunnah but there is no practical application of the Sunnah. You also said "Sunnah". If you negate the the Islamic government then what do you mean by Sunnah? Please explain.
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Im sorry did I say working towards an Islamic isn't a sunnah ????

Just asking is living under a ruler like in Saudi... Is it a crime ?
 
Mr.President said:
Im sorry did I say working towards an Islamic isn't a sunnah ????

Just asking is living under a ruler like in Saudi... Is it a crime ?
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I think the Saudi govt applies the Islamic Law, now up to what extent, that I don't know. We all are living now in a world where we cannot find the Islamic Law. Rather the anti-Islamic power holders are not letting a single government to exist with the Islamic Law. We can see the whole world trying to destroy the single Islamic State only because it is ruling by perfect Islamic Law. May Allah bring help to all true Muslims, aameen.
 
Asalamualykum,

I apologise in advance as i am very ignorant in this area. Not because i choose to be but because sadly, i don't understand the political scene and am not able to confirm whether the information i am reading is correct.

Anyways, i have a few questions. In sha Allah.

What does ISIS represent?

Do they claim to be Muslims? If so, how can one claim to be a Muslim with thier reputation of killing and raping etc?

& also, which source do you use for your information?

Jazahka Allah in advance.
 
One has to understand Jihad in the big picture to understand ISIS...as well as the Sykes Picot agreement of 1916. The answer to the question you ask can fill an entire book. There really is no short answer to make you fully understand.
 
one things that raised my eyebrows is the fact that in the recent dawlah video regarding the dinar and dirham, a depiction of the 9/11 false flag was presented in the intro, whereas most of the people on the planet know that 9/11 was a hoax......
 
BeTheChange said:
Asalamualykum,

I apologise in advance as i am very ignorant in this area. Not because i choose to be but because sadly, i don't understand the political scene and am not able to confirm whether the information i am reading is correct.

Anyways, i have a few questions. In sha Allah.

What does ISIS represent?

Do they claim to be Muslims? If so, how can one claim to be a Muslim with thier reputation of killing and raping etc?

& also, which source do you use for your information?

Jazahka Allah in advance.
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Assalaamo- alykum

We must confirm if the reputation reaching us is based on fact? I read news from many sources like BBC, CNN and others but I think Jazeera News are near truth. (Allah knows best). Once On Jazeera news: a Syrian man gave his statement that first he lived in Turkey and then transferred to the Islamic State. There he worked in cotton farms and was very comfortable there. He said to the Jazeera News that the only thing they have to do is; 1. to make salaah 5 times a day and 2. The use of niqaab (veil) for women is compulsory.

The media gives different news which cause a lot of confusion but Allah has ordered us in the Surah Al-Hujuraat verse 6 that if a faasiq brings us a news, we must confirm it so that we may not harm some nation (unknowingly) and then become regretful due our wrong action.

In the light of the above verse we must be very careful and watchful. For e.g. let us think about The Syrian Ruler Bashaar. He is the one who has filled up the whole world with trouble. The Syrian population was told as 24 million and it came down to 11 million. About a month or longer ago I read the news that the UN said that out of the 11 million Syrians 4 million were in area not reachable. That was to say that no human help or food etc. could reach them. Now what happened to those 4 million? Allah knows best. Millions are killed while other millions are displaced and in search of safety they have migrated to other countries, thus they have lost their houses, things and relatives. But on the media I never read Killer or murderer or terrorist Bashaar. Rather on this cruel media he seems to be a hero, yes he is a hero of those kafirs whose plan is killing the Muslims. Bashaar is doing ethnic cleansing for them so he is a hero. We remember from the news that his regime used chemical weapons, petrol bombs to burn the innocent men, women and children. Then the UN told that the smell of burning meat could be smelt a few km. far away. I think such news must be to terrorize the Muslims. Believe me when I think about all that blood shed of the innocent, I fear that any time Allah may catch the whole world into wrath. But I was surprised when about 2 weeks ago I read the news that the ISIS is using chemical weapons i.e. chlorine bombs. My conscience could not accept such action from true Muslims but the false media was putting me into confusion and anger. Alhamdulillah, just a few days ago I read the interview of the president of the coalition parties in Syria. His interview was with the Jazeera news. He was painfully complaining that Russian air strikes are killing numerous civilians in Syria, they and the Syrian regime are using barrel bombs. He was requesting for a no fly zone. Well the Western kafir powers are controlling the things but they are not ordering a no fly zone!! Then are they not killers, are they not responsible for all those massacres and bloodshed??? Meanwhile the journalist of the Jazeera news asked that Syrian to explain the barrel bombs. He said that those bombs have materials to cause injuries and + chlorine gas to kill people. Now think, we are human beings with wisdom. If the media calls the dark night to be a bright day and gives the name very dark stormy night to a bright calm day, should we accept it blindly? Surely Allah shall take our account and our own books of deeds shall be the proof against every unjust liar.
 
does anyone have more details on the following news report?
although i take strong exception to the loose and twistedly biased use of the terms "terrorist" and "extremist" i am poating the article verbatim.

The following Fars News report expands on earlier*Veterans Today disclosuresconcerning the capture of a high ranking IDF officer with ISIL terrorists in Iraq.

Contrary to the VT report it appears that officer in question is not a general but a colonel from the Golani Brigade. Whatever his actual rank his capture and interrogation by Iraqi security amounts to huge setback for the Zionist regime and their Western allies; as it exposes who is really behind Islamic State (also known as ISIS or ISIL).

It remains to be seen whether the Western corporate media will even report on this. Although*ISIL’s links to Mossad*have long been known the Western corporate media has not reported on them. We suspect that they will do the same with the following. Ed.

EXCLUSIVE: Israeli Colonel Leading ISIL Terrorists Arrested in Iraq

Fars News — Oct 22, 2015

Iraqi security and popular forces held captive an Israeli colonel from Golani Brigade along with a number of ISIL terrorists.
“The security and popular forces have held captive an Israeli colonel,” a commander of Iraq’s popular mobilization forces said on Thursday.

“The Zionist officer is ranked colonel and had participated in the Takfiri ISIL group’s terrorist operations,” he added.
Photo obtained by Press TV shows Takfiri militants from the terrorist al-Nusra Front, which is linked to ISIS, with Israeli soldiers in the Golan heights, Syria.. Click to enlarge

Noting that he was arrested along with a number of ISIL terrorists, the commander said, “The Israeli colonel’s name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade of the Zionist regime’s army with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434.”

He said that the relevant bodies are now interrogating the Israeli colonel to understand the reasons behind his fighting alongside the ISIL forces and the presence of other Zionist officers among ISIL terrorists.The Iraqi security forces said the captured colonel has already made shocking confessions.
Several ISIL militants arrested in the last one year had already confessed that Israeli agents from Mossad and other Israeli espionage and intelligence bodies were present in the first wave of ISIL attacks on Iraq and capture of Mosul in Summer 2014, but no ranking Israeli agent had been arrested.Political and military experts told FNA that the capture of the Israeli colonel will leave a grave impact on Iraq’s war strategy, including partnership with Israeli allies.

In a relevant development in July, Iraqi volunteer forces announced that they had shot down a drone that was spying on the Arab country’s security forces in the city of Fallujah, Western Iraq.Iraq’s popular forces reported that they had brought down a hostile surveillance aircraft over the Southeastern Fallujah in Anbar Province.They said that the wreckage of the ISIL’s spy drone carried ‘Israel-Made’ labels.This was not the first Israeli-made drone downed in Iraq.In August an Israeli Hermes drone was shot down in the vicinity of Baghdad Airport.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=123402
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if the report is true, i would like to take the opportunity of thanking the people involved for their extensive efforts to show the world how difficult it is to set up an islamic state with all its governing apparatus, and thank them for the construction detailed research, and would invite them to submit to Allah's guidance and receive the glad tidings of Paradise which is reserved only for those who believe in God and His messengers before death arrives.
come on guys, you've done it backwards but inshaAllah it'll work out.
people normally believe, submit, and then do jihad, some submit, believe, then do jihad, you would be unique in terms of doing jihad, submitting to Allah, and then believing.

i remember rodney telling delboy how he'd be the first to get charged with tryina smuggle someone out of the country when del suggested they put gary back in the van and drive back to france. ("strangers on the shore" episode i think, it's on youtube).
it's also an instructive lesson on the fallacy of the idea "two sides to a story" - there's always the truth.......

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EXuBvPpjjO0
 
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And the intent here is that they instituted an evil way (sunnah) into Islam and made revolting against the ruler to be an act of devotion (deen) over the passing of time and (passing) of days despite the warning of the Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam) against them in many ahaadeeth, from them, his saying (sallallaahu alayhi wasallam), "The*Kharijitesare the Dogs of Hellfire." And despite the fact they did not see clear, plain manifest disbelief from them (the rulers), but only what is less than that of oppression,tyranny*and sin. And today, history repeats itself as they say, for there has emerged a new band amongst the Muslim youth who did not understand except very little of the religion and they hold that the*rulers*do not rule by what Allaah has revealed except little, and they held [the obligation] of revolting against them without consulting with the people of knowledge, understanding and wisdom. Rather, they followed their heads, kindled blind tribulations, and shed blood in Egypt, Syria andAlgeria, and prior to that (was) the tribulation of the sacred precincts in Makkah. Through (these activities) they opposed the authentic hadeeth upon which all the Muslims, the earlier ones and the later ones abided by, except for the*Kharijites.

Refer to*al-Silsilah al-Sahihah(7/1240-1241).
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Golden words !!!
 
now ask them what they plan to do about setting up genuine khilafah and rule of Allah.
the majority of texts people are quoting to justify their stance on supporting rulers are texts written while a caliph reigned over them and to whom they had pledged allegiance, and certain people were either causing sedition in the ranks or making lawful Islamic demands for the resignation of what they perceived as a tyrant who was widely diverging from Allah's law - in order to be able to depose the tyramt and reinstate a legitimate caliph who ruled under Allah.
so wouldn't that make one who rebels against the legitimate caliph a khariji?
how does it work then bro?
 
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Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh al-‘Allaamah ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 8, p. 202

There are people who think that because some of the rulers commit acts of kufr and sin, we are obliged to rebel against them and attempt to change things even if that results in harming the Muslims in that country, at a time when there are many problems in the Muslim world. What is your opinion?


Praise be to Allaah.*

The basic comprehensive principle of sharee’ah is that it is not permitted to remove an evil by means of a greater evil; evil must be warded off by that which will remove it or reduce it. Warding off evil by means of a greater evil is not permitted according to the scholarly consensus (ijmaa’) of the Muslims. If this group which wants to get rid of this ruler who is openly committing kufr is able to do so, and can bring in a good and righteous leader without that leading to greater trouble for the Muslims or a greater evil than the evil of this ruler, then that is OK. But if rebellion would result in greater trouble and lead to chaos, oppression and the assassination of people who do not deserve to be assassinated, and other forms of major evil, then that is not permitted. Rather it is essential to be patient and to hear and obey in matters of good, and to offer sincere advice to the authorities, and to pray that they may be guided to good, and to strive to reduce evil and increase good. This is the correct way which should be followed, because that is in the general interests of the Muslims, and because it will reduce evil and increase good, and because this will keep the peace and protect the Muslims from a greater evil.
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Ppl now a days rushing I mean like cowboy stand offs poom !!! u r kafir
Boom u r muthadh !!!

Making Muslim blood halaal for killng and calling for rebalion against a ruler

Sheik bin baaz did not live under a caliph neither is shaik al al bani may Allaah have mercy on them
 
so are the ones pronouncing takfeer on ISIS kharijees who are causing a greater evil?
or is it better to hear and obey ISIS?
your affairs are in confusion brother, the first commandment to all including obama and baghdadi and me and you and natanyahu and assad is, hear o people of the planet! the Lord our God, the Lord is One, (this includes the fact that it is the right of the Creator of the heavens and the earth to rule, legislate and be obeyed, and that His Messengers must not be belied and differentiated between by saying, we believe in some and reject others).
 
Their Accusing of Ahlul-Haqq (the people of the truth) as Khawaarij
Ibn al-Qayyim said in his long poem titled ‘Al-Kaafiyyah al-Shaafiyyah’, in a section titled ‘Their Lies and Their Accusing of Ahlul-Haqq (the people of the truth) as Khawaarij’:
“And from the strange things is that they say to those who take the Qur’aan and Sunnah as a religion: ‘You are similar to the khawaarij who judged by the apparent of the text (Qur’aan and Sunnah) and did not look into their (actual) meanings.’”
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And Ibn Taymiyyah said:
“When people of falsehood want to arouse doubts about people of haqq,they describe them as khawaarij.”
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[Majmoo’ Fataawaa Ibn Taymiyyah (vol. 23 p. 325)]
 
Omg the irony if you research revolting against a ruler topic shikul Islam ibn taymiyas minhaj as sunnah then I wonder the shiek would be in trouble my God the level of sayyid qutubs Leninist ideology has blindfolded our youth
 

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