ISIS and Kharijits [OPINION]

Omg the irony if you research revolting against a ruler topic shikul Islam ibn taymiyas minhaj as sunnah then I wonder the shiek would be in trouble my God the level of sayyid qutubs Leninist ideology has blindfolded our youth

Sayyid Qutb strove quite hard according to his circumstances, please allow him some dignity in martyrdom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb
 
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Sayyid Qutb strove quite hard according to his circumstances, please allow him some dignity in martyrdom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb
May Allah have mercy on him its never my intention to insult usthad sayid qutubs but I do not agree with some of his political views/ ideas
Yes I do respect him as a great muslim mind of 20th century [emoji52]
 
But can member states of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, like they accepted Cairo Declaration on Human Rights in Islam (CDHRI) in 1990, made another conference regarding ISIS problem.
Create kind of peacekeeping forces, whose main goal would be to control territory in regard to CDHRI and turn the territory into the real Islamic State. I think many warriors will accept this, leaving just a few fanatics of their own (probably not muslim at all view). Same time anti-ISIS coalition will have no excuses to continue bombing.
Does it sound very naive view from outside?
 
Salaam Alaikum,

This is an interesting thread...

Firstly, i know what im about to say will not sit well with many of my muslim brothers and sisters on the thread, maybe even the forum...

We know the Khilafah ended in 1924 and Islam suffered a great loss... we look down the path of history and we cant believe the state of the Ummah...Allah has destroyed many nations before for their 'disbelief, arrogance etc'...as we stand today...we are in jahaliyah, all we have to do is look around us, we have really loss the beauty of this Deen...we shed tears when we read about our sahabah, the great men that stood on the battlefield, the men that liberated Palestine, Khalid bin Waleed beheaded romans that were ready to rape nearly 2000 muslim women, and we praise that, afterall he was known as the Sword of Allah...we cry out to Almighty that we need men like Umar, men like Khalid...and you know what...Allah answers the call of the supplicant, we dont like what Allah gives (ungrateful)...do we physically want Umar here? We have men like that, we just refuse to acknowledge it, I always ask if Umar was here, what would the Ummah call him? Think about it! These men that we are crying for and asking Allah for, they were hard against disbelief and showed mercy toward the believer. Do you think in the period of the khulafah of any era, they did not have opposition?

Lets look at history...

Who spread Islam in Persia, Iraq, Shaam and drove out the Romans...the muslims
who spread Islam in India and Khorosan...the muslims
Who spread Islam in Egypt and Africa...the muslims
Who spread Islam in Europe and established an Islamic state in Andalusia...the muslims
Who spread Islam in Jerusalem...the muslims
Who spread Islam in Constantinople and established a khilafah there...the muslims

'When i sit and think those people of our Ummah that hate us and make duah against us, it brings tears to my eyes. We are hated even though we left everything and everyone we ever loved to please Allah, by raising His religion back to where it once stood. But i always find comfort in that through Islamic history those who were on truth were hated' -Isis Mujahid

If we read Surah Baqarah together with tafsir we will realise our error soon- walahi, it will change your life forever, Allah willing

I have read many scholars name branding them, we dont even cringe when the shia's slander the Rightly Guided, so how do we expect to sit at the same table now?

So...to usher in the Mahdi, we will need a khilafah, yes...he doesn't just appear on the scene and say 'right now this is the khilafah' no dear brothers and sisters, our situation will NOT get any better...

This can clearly be seen in the hadith narrated by Umm Salamah (ra) that the Messenger of Allah said:
"Disagreement will occur at the death of a caliph and a man of the people of Medina will come flying forth to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and give bay'ah to him between the Rukn and the Maqam. An expeditionary force will then be sent against him from Syria but will be swallowed up in the desert between Mecca and Medina. When the people see that, the God fearing people of Syria and the best people of Iraq will come to him and swear allegiance to him between the Corner and the Maqam. Then there will arise a man of Quraysh whose maternal uncles belong to Kalb and send against them an expeditionary force which will be overcome by them, and that is the expedition of Kalb. Disappointed will be the one who does not receive the booty of Kalb. He will divide the property, and will govern the people by the Sunnah of their Prophet (peace be upon him) and establish Islam on Earth. He will remain seven years..."
(Reported by at-Tabarani in al- Awsat. According to Ibn Hajar in his Majma' az-Zawaid the transmitters in at- Tabarani's narration are sound and authentic.)

We are being led astray, we are not using our intellectual intelligence to capacity...the media shouts out something and we swollow, the modern scholars says something and we swollow, some even uttering weak hadiths to justify themselves..the hadith of the long hair, the kunya and then further attributing that hadith to Imam Ali (r.a)... these make them khawarij?

So this Ummah is infact saying that imam bukhari is khawarij?, he was born in Bukhara what is now known as Uzbekistan...imam at tirmidhi from termiz, uzbekistan..khawarij? imam an nasai, nasa, turkmenistan...khawarij? brothers and sisters, we cant jump and call people names because we don't know them and what the MEDIA says about them...these are suppose to be our hero's, yet we slander them and jump on the band wagon and hurl abuse at them...

Allah (S.W.T) said in surat Al- Hadid, (Verses 25), what can be translated as, "Indeed We have sent Our Messengers with clear proofs, and revealed with them the Scripture and the Balance (justice) that mankind may keep up justice. And We brought forth iron wherein is mighty power, as well as many benefits for mankind, that Allah may test who it is that will help Him (His deen), and His Messengers in the unseen. Verily, Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty." In this verse, Allah (S.W.T.) clarifies to us the mission of the messengers and those who come after them. Their mission is to establish justice amongst people and this can not occur unless with appointing a Khalifah who establishes justice. Imam Ibn Taimiyah says concerning this verse: "That is why the prophet (S.A.W.) ordered his Ummah to appoint leaders on them, and ordered those leaders to return the trust to the right owners and that if they rule, they are to rule with justice. The prophet (S.A.W.) ordered the people to obey those leaders as long as they obey Allah." {Book Al-Hisbah}

Imam Ibn Taimiyah also says: "It is essential that we know that leadership is one of the most greatest obligators of Deen. As a matter of fact, there is no Deen without it. The children of Adam will not fulfill their needs unless they get together for their needs. And when they get together, they must have a leader. For this reason, the Prophet (S.A.W.) says: "If three are travelling, there must be a leader amongst them." So, the Prophet (S.A.W.) mandated that one is to be appointed as the leader in a simple situation where three people are travelling. This is to make us aware of other important types of get-togethers." {Book As-Siyasah As-Shr'eyah, p138&139}

And for this reason it was important to implement and revive the khilafah again....

We have too many groups, one wanting to beat the other in everything, even simple organisations ie zakah finds, halal trusts etc...everyone wants to be better than the other...thats not Islam, we are one body and the khilafah abolishes all those organisations..is this the reason perhaps no-one wants the khilafah?

Brothers and sisters, may Allah guide us to truth, keep us on the path of the siratul mastaqeem (Al Fatihah)...Ameen Allahuma Ameen

Fi AmaanILLAH
 
Yeah that guy that says ''JIHAD IS NOT IMPORTANT TODAY''....sorry i don't listen to people like him

If Jihad is not important then what? he dont believe the Mahdi will return? Scholars such as these make my blood boil.
 
Your reply -

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When ever a scholar refuts your ISIS ideas many of ISIS guys run away and say i dont like that scholar so i dont listen to him

As i mentioned earlier ISIS or what ever extremist groups all your arguments revolve arround "not ruled by sharia" so an so "who ever doesnt rule by sharia kafir.... Thagooth"

Now comes the takfir part
"All muslim rulers are kafir"

Now media coverage brain washing the yoth
"Revolt against the government and kill all cuz they are kafir"

...etc

So if you are saying you dont listen to scholars who offends your way of thought

Then then picture i posted explaines you
 
My brother...lets review...im sure Allah endowed you with aql (intellect) its not a matter of Isis or any of the other groups that we have on the arena...


Its a matter of Jihad...If a scholar refutes Jihad something that Allah has said in many ayahs muslims should partake in when the situation calls for it then we are left wondering why, why would scholars refute it? why would scholars say 'JIHAD IS NOT IMPORTANT'-Yasir Qadi.....or like Obama's mufti...'ISLAM DOES NOT NEED A KHILAFAH'-Hamza Yusuf....rental scholars....

Its funny, you listen to man instead of the Quran...you fear man, instead of Allah...so in light of your pic...id say...lalalalala
 
Can you please share your source or the video where sheik Qhadi said "JIHAD IS NOT IMPORTANT"
 
I saw it on an Islamic channel, my brother i would have to go search for that 'lecture/speech', but i will find it for you...in sha Allah....in light of the above vid that you have asked us to review...it looks like the same one i saw of him some time back, i didnt watch the vid you asked us to watch, but if it is one and the same, he calls Assad the modern day Firaun, yet he urges Muslims of the west not to participate in the Jihad as we will do more harm than good? That sound right to you? Jihad is for everyone else excluding the muslim of the west?...#just asking
 
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What he says is, in syria muslim groups are fighting among themselves each group claims for their own version of caliphate and fight so if person joins a group and and fights assad thats another story but what if a person kills an innocent in the name of jihad ? Theres more chances of that happening
 
I just don't understand, why do people decided that fighting this exact moment will bring time of Mahdi? What if he will come 10 or 20 years later?
Jumping weaponless against well-armed and outnumbering enemy doesn't seem smart.
More looks like a provocation to exhaust an army before it can get better equipped.
 
Brother if you look at my thread before...if you read surah Baqarah with the tafsir, you will understand that when khilafah is announced then we as muslims have to follow it, so Allah gives us the criterion...

It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: It is obligatory for you to listen to the ruler and obey him in adversity and prosperity, in pleasure and displeasure, and even when another person is given (rather undue) preference over you. Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4524.


It has been narrated by Abu Huraira that the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) said: Banu Isra'il were ruled over by the Prophets. When one Prophet died, another succeeded him; but after me there is no prophet and there will be caliphs and they will be quite large in number. His Companions said: What do you order us to do (in case we come to have more than one Caliph)? He said: The one to whom allegiance is sworn first has a supremacy over the others. Concede to them their due rights (i.e. obey them). God (Himself) will question them about the subjects whom He had entrusted to them. Sahih Muslim Book 020, Hadith Number 4543.

Why dont the scholars quote us these hadiths, instead of the ill they are doing
 
Its not that simple brother, your approach is same as an illtarate non muslim quoting the verses of jihad and calling islam is blood thirsty and calls to kill all non Muslims

Rather than accusing scholars of not quoting these ayas and ahadetth first did you ask any scholor (non ISIS, the ones who refute ISIS) about these ahadeeth ?
 
Why dont the scholars quote us these hadiths, instead of the ill they are doing

Probably they have many places in Quran to quote for.
I'm only beginning to learn Islam and therefore will not even try to quote anything.

What should do good muslim, when authorities are saying different things?
How he should decide what is right and what is wrong?
May be pray Allah to give him wisdom to find out by himself?
Otherwise, why we've been given an ability to choose and to disobey wrongdoers?
 

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