ISIS or IS smashing and looting and selling artifacts on the black market

[Abz2000]

God knows, i just put my trust in Allah and tell people to remove amulets, i get angry when i see it on kids.
Allah gave us the planet, it's blessings, and the guidance.

Regarding the tree, i can't recall which track it was from since it takes a few months for his playlist to finish. I couldn't find it in the text search on anwar's life of umar so imagine it would possibly be in his mashari al ashwaq course which he gave at daar ibn al mubarak, or in thawaabit ala darbil jihaad series - Since those are difficult to find in text.

I did a google search with "umar cut tree hudaybiyah" and found people arguing over why he cut it down, mentioning bukhari and muslim as the reference, but couldn't find it in either.

and apparently mawdudi mentioning the following as being from tabari.Sayyid Maududi writes that Imam at-Tabari said:

"During the period of 'Umar's (may Allah be pleased with him) Khilafa, he went for pilgrimage. When he passed Al-Hudaybiya he asked: 'Where is the tree under which the bay'a took place?' A person replied:'This one.' Someone else said: '[No, it is] this one.' 'Umar said: 'Forget the inconvenience'"

In bukhari i could only find this:
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 481:Narrated Tariq bin 'Abdur-Rahman:
When I set out for Hajj, I passed by some people offering a prayer, I asked, "What is this mosque?"
They said, "This is the Tree where Allah's Apostle took the Ar-Ridwan Pledge of allegiance. Then I went to Sa'id bin Musaiyab and informed him about it.
Said said, "My father said that he was amongst those who had given the Pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle beneath the Tree. He (i.e. my father) said, "When we set out the following year, we forgot the Tree and were unable to recognize it. "
Then Said said (perhaps ironically) "The companions of the Prophet could not recognize it; nevertheless, you do recognize it; therefore you have a better knowledge."


And found it mentioned here with no source reference:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_the_Tree

And this brother saying the "wahhabis"misinterpreted the reason.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ekbnK5KBe1k

 

[InToTheRain]

Good luck on your path!

Were you using the verse as a reference for what you claim or to verbally smack me? I thought it was the latter!

The verse you quoted applies to the whole of Mankind and not just the Ummah of Mohamamd(SAW). There are many hadiths which corroborate what I have said. Below is just one of them:


(Bukhari) 265:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
The Prophet said, "On the day of Resurrection Allah will say, 'O Adam!' Adam will reply, 'Labbaik our Lord, and Sa'daik ' Then there will be a loud call (saying), Allah orders you to take from among your offspring a mission for the (Hell) Fire.' Adam will say, 'O Lord! Who are the mission for the (Hell) Fire?' Allah will say, 'Out of each thousand, take out 999.' At that time every pregnant female shall drop her load (have a miscarriage) and a child will have grey hair. And you shall see mankind as in a drunken state, yet not drunk, but severe will be the torment of Allah." (22.2) (When the Prophet mentioned this), the people were so distressed (and afraid) that their faces got changed (in color) whereupon the Prophet said, "From Gog and Magog nine-hundred ninety-nine will be taken out and one from you. You Muslims (compared to the large number of other people) will be like a black hair on the side of a white ox, or a white hair on the side of a black ox, and I hope that you will be one-fourth of the people of Paradise." On that, we said, "Allahu-Akbar!" Then he said, "I hope that you will be) one-third of the people of Paradise." We again said, "Allahu-Akbar!" Then he said, "(I hope that you will be) one-half of the people of Paradise." So we said, Allahu Akbar."

The people from Gog and Magog are also included in that verse which is why it said "except a few".

:wa:

 

[InToTheRain]

God knows,

Correct bro! Only Allah Most High knows. And anyone who claims to know what Allah Most High Knows has committed shirk because he is asserting to know knowledge of the uknown as Allah Most High does! And so the Irony becomes that one that accuses the other of Shirk without knowing is actually commiting Shirk by stating they have Ilmul-Ghayb as Allah Most High does! So what does it say about the understanding of Tawheed of the one who accuses the other withouth them having stated something that takes them out of the fold of Islam?

What does it say about their understanding of Sunnah? Mohammad(SAW) said Muslims are gentle with one another. When a man came to confess his adultery to Mohamamd(SAW) he was making excuses for him!

Another example, if I were to say Prophet(AS) had Ilmul-ghayb, which they did as needed to inform us of what is to come ahead etc. Would that be Shirk? It would be if I assert they had this knowledge Independent of Allah Most Hgh but I intended to mean it was granted by Allah Most High then it wouldn't be Shirk! And regarding how much of the occult knowledge Allah Most High gave them we say as the Sahabas said "Allah and His Massenger knows best.

Regarding cutting the tree Umar(AS) cut it because the location of the tree was lost and he didn't want people wasting time thinking Allah Most High gives it importance when it doesn't. And if anyone assert sahabas gave no importance to whatever Mohammad(SAW) touched then it is a great lie! Because Abu Bakr(RA) when he was burried asked for the shroud which was touched by the blessed hands of Mohammad(SAW).
And Abu Bakr(RA) has a far greater status then Umar(RA). AS Mohammad(SAW) said, if Abu Bakr(RA) was put on one side of the scale and all the other sahabas on the other side then Abu Bakr(RA) would outweigh them! Such was his love for Mohammad(SAW).

So the assertion that Umar(RA) cut the tree to prevent shirk has no basis. These are false notions pushed through evil scholars who are under shaitans helm.