Islam and alimony

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[MENTION=16760]xboxisdead[/MENTION]:


if (their) every country is governed by their religious laws then what...?

Whether it is secular or governed by their own religious laws it does not matter :facepalm::facepalm:, you obey Allah and his prophets only. You come to the kufar homes, you obey certain laws and laws that goes against Shariah you do not obey. YOUR ONLY KING IS ALLAH (Subhananu Wa Talaa) and only he is to be feared. Simply put. Even the kuffar they are doing things only by the will of Allah alone. The Earth is the property of Allah and part of his kingdom. We can label it a trillion names and call it ours but it is not ours. Simply put. Honestly...as Muslims...if I am going to have children...I would go to Muslim countries and raise them there. I love my children. I fear for my sons and daughters. I will be questioned in the day of judgement. Well feminist, kuffar law, secular law, police of the dunaya be able to protect me then? Nope. Will the prophet peace be upon him be able to protect me against Allah's punishment when I failed my children and thrown them in the gates of hellfire? Nope. Think of the afterlife pleeeeeeaasseeeeeeeeee!!!!

 

[Calmate]

Whether it is secular or governed by their own religious laws it does not matter :facepalm::facepalm:, you obey Allah and his prophets only. You come to the kufar homes, you obey certain laws and laws that goes against Shariah you do not obey. YOUR ONLY KING IS ALLAH (Subhananu Wa Talaa) and only he is to be feared. Simply put. Even the kuffar they are doing things only by the will of Allah alone. The Earth is the property of Allah and part of his kingdom. We can label it a trillion names and call it ours but it is not ours. Simply put. Honestly...as Muslims...if I am going to have children...I would go to Muslim countries and raise them there. I love my children. I fear for my sons and daughters. I will be questioned in the day of judgement. Well feminist, kuffar law, secular law, police of the dunaya be able to protect me then? Nope. Will the prophet peace be upon him be able to protect me against Allah's punishment when I failed my children and thrown them in the gates of hellfire? Nope. Think of the afterlife pleeeeeeaasseeeeeeeeee!!!!

I understand you but lets be honest. There are many muslims countries that are in really bad conditions, just look how many muslims countries are corrupted. Somehow you can practise islam better in a non Muslim country then in a Muslim country. The social security in many non muslims country are better. Ofcourse in every country is evil. The social media and internet is a source of evil..of course it have its benefits but more bad than good. Fitna is everywhere. Look the women how they dress..is almost naked. Guys can't control them self... society is getting terrible. May Allah s.w.t protect us all. I have the feeling that many of us going to the hellfire before to the paradise. Like praying on time its so important but how many of us pray on time? With work is almost impossible and I feel really bad about that...

 

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I understand you but lets be honest. There are many muslims countries that are in really bad conditions, just look how many muslims countries are corrupted. Somehow you can practise islam better in a non Muslim country then in a Muslim country. The social security in many non muslims country are better. Ofcourse in every country is evil. The social media and internet is a source of evil..of course it have its benefits but more bad than good. Fitna is everywhere. Look the women how they dress..is almost naked. Guys can't control them self... society is getting terrible. May Allah s.w.t protect us all. I have the feeling that many of us going to the hellfire before to the paradise. Like praying on time its so important but how many of us pray on time? With work is almost impossible and I feel really bad about that...

What we are saying as Muslims we need not to be integrated with the system but separated from the system. We obey laws of the West that match bar with Islamic law. Such as:

1) No murdering someone.
2) No abusing or harassing someone or verbally abusing someone whether that is targeted to a man or a woman, boy or girl, old or young.
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the list of things that match with Islam and West we obey that because we are actually following Islam even though West is matched with us. Now certain laws we do not deal with the government and tell the government to lay off our backs is when it comes to families, children, upbringing, mahir, divorce, custody, etc. Here we go to mosque, sheikh and Muslim court within the Western world and do our dealings there. Each goes happy. If the mother tries to cause wedge between the father and children as form of weapon, go to Muslim court and resolve your dispute there INSIDE CANADA and Western world. Simply put. You get the benefit of two worlds. As parents we need to open good Muslim schools please! Stop sending your children to Kufar schools. We need to push more into politics to change our life style and society here. Show the kufar what is Islam is really about. Follow the Qura'an and Sunnah perfectly well 100% you will find so many non-Muslims will come running to Islam when we show them REAL ISLAM AND I DO NOT MEAN MODERN ISLAM OR WESTERN ISLAM please!! When your sons are under attack and he feel emasculated...FATHERS..raise your sons high and tell him his role is very important and different than a woman's role who also plays a different and important role and that we need men in society and move from there. Make him follow the Qura'an and Sunnah correctly. If your sons is failing..do whatever it takes to help him and I do not mean drugging him. Fathers WE NEED YOU! Come on! Be parents! BE REAL PARENTS! The food your children eat effect the mental capacity of the children and it effects boys more than girls, see what your children are eating. The prophet warned us about filling our stomachs..don't feel your stomachs. Avoid eating too much carbohydrate and sugar, get your sons to do lots of physical activities so he can get rid of the excess energy. Fathers play with your sons more often and help him feel connected. Is your children listening to music..take that out. Technology is good at little douses. Don't have your children sitting in front of TV 24/7 or playing video games.

I said to my mom if I have children they only use technology for half an hour and that is even after THEY SHOW ME they have good grades and are studying hard. But to me...education is lower priority over Islamic education and the heart for the afterlife. If I find they are getting A++ but are becoming distance from religion then I pull them out and make sure they return back before it is too late. Both parents need to do the upbringing here and not one. All of these come in play for raising better future generation who will in fact impact society in long tune and each knows their boundaries and limits.

 

[azc]

[MENTION=16760]xboxisdead[/MENTION]:

if religious or man made laws of all the non Muslim countries disallow presence of Muslims and Islam as happened in Spain, then what...?

 

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[MENTION=16760]xboxisdead[/MENTION]:

if religious or man made laws of all the non Muslim countries disallow presence of Muslims and Islam as happened in Spain, then what...?

O_O I am even surprised your even asking this question. What do you mean, "then what?"? Are you hurt and offended that the non Muslim people don't want to do anything with you? Soooo...if you fear they will kick you out...you would rather integrate into their system and obey their system instead of obeying Allah and his messenger? Sooo...you would become this modern Muslim then? You fight. If they kick you out...go to other country and make a stink in the media world wide about how this country is anti-Islam and demonize them. For one thing...you at least did demonize them...made them become this evil entity and intolerance of other religion and they are not really a country that except diversity. How is that for a starter? These non-Muslims do a perfect job demonizing Islam and demonizing men.....you are not going out of your way to demonize them for fun..but if they are intolerant of you and are discriminator to you...take that as an ammunition to demonize them now. Go to other non-Muslim country that do have Muslim courts exclusive for Muslim people and live there instead. If not one single non-Muslim country wants you...then go back to your Muslim country and fight for the cause of Allah and live there and practice your religion. Remember..this world is paradise for disbelievers and prison for believers. You are not created here to play and fun...you are created here to worship only Allah and this world is all about struggles and hardships.

 

[azc]

O_O I am even surprised your even asking this question. What do you mean, "then what?"? Are you hurt and offended that the non Muslim people don't want to do anything with you? Soooo...if you fear they will kick you out...you would rather integrate into their system and obey their system instead of obeying Allah and his messenger? Sooo...you would become this modern Muslim then? You fight. If they kick you out...go to other country and make a stink in the media world wide about how this country is anti-Islam and demonize them. For one thing...you at least did demonize them...made them become this evil entity and intolerance of other religion and they are not really a country that except diversity. How is that for a starter? These non-Muslims do a perfect job demonizing Islam and demonizing men.....you are not going out of your way to demonize them for fun..but if they are intolerant of you and are discriminator to you...take that as an ammunition to demonize them now. Go to other non-Muslim country that do have Muslim courts exclusive for Muslim people and live there instead. If not one single non-Muslim country wants you...then go back to your Muslim country and fight for the cause of Allah and live there and practice your religion. Remember..this world is paradise for disbelievers and prison for believers. You are not created here to play and fun...you are created here to worship only Allah and this world is all about struggles and hardships.

O.k. Thanks.

One more question:

How many Muslim countries are 100% ruled by the Islamic laws..?

 

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O.k. Thanks.

One more question:

How many Muslim countries are 100% ruled by the Islamic laws..?

I will answer that question to you with this one, "Ever wondered why the majority of them are getting their butt whipped?". The only true country that I see there that is trying very hard to be 100% Islamic Laws to the point that death penalty, whipping, etc is implemented there is Turkey. That is why..that is the only country with a very, superb leader he is a very good leader and they have a very..enriching, happy lives. Not saying it is perfect! That is the point of Dunaya..that it is not perfect. But if it can be 95% close and it is TRYING to please Allah (Subhanau Wa Talaa) and attempting very hard to do 100% Islamic Law in a world of fitna and difficulties..you can see that such attempt will not go unnoticed in the eyes of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa).

Honestly...I am thinking of moving in Turkey, living there to get married and have children. Let them even learn Turkish and study there. I will learn Turkish too so I can talk to my wife and the people there and understand what my children are saying. I would rather live there and have children there then Canada, Australia, USA, UK, etc.

 

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I will answer that question to you with this one, "Ever wondered why the majority of them are getting their butt whipped?". The only true country that I see there that is trying very hard to be 100% Islamic Laws to the point that death penalty, whipping, etc is implemented there is Turkey. That is why..that is the only country with a very, superb leader he is a very good leader and they have a very..enriching, happy lives. Not saying it is perfect! That is the point of Dunaya..that it is not perfect. But if it can be 95% close and it is TRYING to please Allah (Subhanau Wa Talaa) and attempting very hard to do 100% Islamic Law in a world of fitna and difficulties..you can see that such attempt will not go unnoticed in the eyes of Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa).

Honestly...I am thinking of moving in Turkey, living there to get married and have children. Let them even learn Turkish and study there. I will learn Turkish too so I can talk to my wife and the people there and understand what my children are saying. I would rather live there and have children there then Canada, Australia, USA, UK, etc.

Which country do you live right now and are you from Turkey?

 

[azc]

[MENTION=16760]xboxisdead[/MENTION]:

1: A secular state gives equal status to all religions, so followers of different religions can practice upon their religions freely. Religious Discrimination and partiality isn't permitted.

This is why Muslims in a kafir country can follow Islam freely, can give dawah to fellow non Muslims whereas in many of the Muslim countries religious minorities often are seen losing their religious identities e.g. Hindus in Pakistan.

In truth, in some of the Muslim countries, even Muslims are not allowed to give dawah, keeping beard and hijab is also not allowed.

(Note: but now a days in many kafir countries Muslims are harassed and persecuted because of islamophobia.)

2: When (even) all Syrian refugees weren't given shelter by their neighbouring countries then how all the Muslims of all kafir countries if are compelled to migrate can be welcomed by them.

3: If Man made laws violate the shariah, need explanation by truthful ulama, not us, the random people

4: When you've cited ONLY ONE country, turkey as an Islamic country ruled by Islamic laws (I disagree though), It means rest all the Muslim countries don't follow Islamic laws...? Cursing the western powers/states isn't the right answer.

Note: Islamic rules are for Muslims and Muslim countries, nor for non Muslims and non Muslim countries.

 

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[MENTION=16760]xboxisdead[/MENTION]:

[MENTION=16760]
1: A secular state gives equal status to all religions, so followers of different religions can practice upon their religions freely. Religious Discrimination and partiality isn't permitted.

This is why Muslims in a kafir country can follow Islam freely, can give dawah to fellow non Muslims whereas in many of the Muslim countries religious minorities often are seen losing their religious identities e.g. Hindus in Pakistan.

In truth, in some of the Muslim countries, even Muslims are not allowed to give dawah, keeping beard and hijab is also not allowed.

(Note: but now a days in many kafir countries Muslims are harassed and persecuted because of islamophobia.)

I want to learn and not argue, so I am asking questions to learn. Are you saying (seeing how Canada is a secular country as well as USA) I would be able to use Muslim courts instead of Canadian courts?

2: When (even) all Syrian refugees weren't given shelter by their neighbouring countries then how all the Muslims of all kafir countries if are compelled to migrate can be welcomed by them.

It is a shame how we as Muslims do not even protect and welcome and be helpful to our Muslim brothers and sisters because we define ourselves as a nationality and not as a Muslim. This is one of the many reasons why nationalism is forbidden in Islam. I am not a nationality, I do not identify myself as a nationality...I identify myself as a Muslim. I am Muslim. Period.

3: If Man made laws violate the shariah, need explanation by truthful ulama, not us, the random people

But we can at least slap the back heads of these truthful Ulama who is doing nothing but keeping quiet.

4: When you've cited ONLY ONE country, turkey as an Islamic country ruled by Islamic laws (I disagree though), It means rest all the Muslim countries don't follow Islamic laws...?

Egypt a country that is suppose to be known for it's religious up keeping, the greatest religious Islamic university on Earth was suppose to be from Egypt and now it is all corrupted. Don't even start with Lebanon. Saudi Arabia also was suppose to be a religious country..but it's truth comes out and the dirty garbage littering the floor. I did not say all other countries fall short..my knowledge is limited to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and Turkey. From there I formulated that Turkey is the best among the other three countries and that was my conclusion. Of course..I am sure there other Muslim countries out there who do follow Islamic laws..but I do not see of it or hear of it..not at least through the media; so my knowledge among them is unknown.

Cursing the western powers/states isn't the right answer.

Never did I say curse the western power or state..what I am saying we should not be integrated with them. We should use the Muslim court in Western world to do all our affairs...if there is no Muslim court...we should use the politics given to us to open up a Muslim court. If they kick us out then..then we can form a huge stink in the media.

Note: Islamic rules are for Muslims and Muslim countries, nor for non Muslims and non Muslim countries.

Can you elaborate more on this?

 

[azc]

[MENTION=16760]xboxisdead[/MENTION]:



I want to learn and not argue, so I am asking questions to learn. Are you saying (seeing how Canada is a secular country as well as USA) I would be able to use Muslim courts instead of Canadian courts?



It is a shame how we as Muslims do not even protect and welcome and be helpful to our Muslim brothers and sisters because we define ourselves as a nationality and not as a Muslim. This is one of the many reasons why nationalism is forbidden in Islam. I am not a nationality, I do not identify myself as a nationality...I identify myself as a Muslim. I am Muslim. Period.



But we can at least slap the back heads of these truthful Ulama who is doing nothing but keeping quiet.



Egypt a country that is suppose to be known for it's religious up keeping, the greatest religious Islamic university on Earth was suppose to be from Egypt and now it is all corrupted. Don't even start with Lebanon. Saudi Arabia also was suppose to be a religious country..but it's truth comes out and the dirty garbage littering the floor. I did not say all other countries fall short..my knowledge is limited to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lebanon and Turkey. From there I formulated that Turkey is the best among the other three countries and that was my conclusion. Of course..I am sure there other Muslim countries out there who do follow Islamic laws..but I do not see of it or hear of it..not at least through the media; so my knowledge among them is unknown.



Never did I say curse the western power or state..what I am saying we should not be integrated with them. We should use the Muslim court in Western world to do all our affairs...if there is no Muslim court...we should use the politics given to us to open up a Muslim court. If they kick us out then..then we can form a huge stink in the media.



Can you elaborate more on this?

1: If truthful ulama keep silent on any man made laws which, in your opinion, directly or indirectly violates the shariah, should be trusted as they know shariah much better than us.

2: Sadly, Muslims don't get their bilateral disputes settled by scholars/shariah court.

What can a man do when he is dragged into the court by his wife for alimony.?

3: Islamic rules are to be followed by this ummah. Since disbelievers don't believe in Islam, so they can't be expected to follow shariah laws concerning how they should govern their countries and spend their lives.
Canada, your country, the Christian dominated society permits Muslims to follow Islam freely is praiseworthy.

 

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1: If truthful ulama keep silent on any man made laws which, in your opinion, directly or indirectly violates the shariah, should be trusted as they know shariah much better than us.

2: Sadly, Muslims don't get their bilateral disputes settled by scholars/shariah court.

What can a man do when he is dragged into the court by his wife for alimony.?

3: Islamic rules are to be followed by this ummah. Since disbelievers don't believe in Islam, so they can't be expected to follow shariah laws concerning how they should govern their countries and spend their lives.
Canada, your country, the Christian dominated society permits Muslims to follow Islam freely is praiseworthy.

Yes. But comes the question of these wives who do drag their husbands in the system court for alimony just to destroy her husband for vendictive reasons or to get her bite of flesh...shows you the very nature of women in general. Whether she wears hijab or she doesn't wear hijab, whether she prostrate and worship Allah alone or whether she wears a cross..goes outside butt naked, goes from man to man to man..and worships jesus...they are unfortunately the same if given the choice to exploit the system for her benefit. Unless the sisters out there are willing to change their image....by actually fighting these women who are, in my opinion, ruining the reputation for other Muslim sisters (through media)...my advice for brothers is not get married in Western world. In fact...I believe I did a call to an Atheist talk show host who really tried to convince me not to get married. He says that there are no benefit for men to get married (due to the law that is instilled in the Western world) and when I kept pushing he..said if you must get married then leave the country and marry outside the world of the West. Marry in poor countries or third world countries. I believe him. If I am going to get married I have to do two choices. He even told me horror stories of even Muslim women who exploit the system. Even in mosques they tell me horror stories of Muslim women exploiting the system and doing false rape and false allegation.

Problem with these sisters is they truly do not understand the statues of a husband...unfortunately. THEY don't take man's right seriously. Which is why I said..so many people are willing to do shirk or disbelieve when it comes to man's right when mentioned in qura'an or do not take it seriously..but when it comes to women right..wow..behold..how serious that is. Through men I believe....majority of women will be in hellfire. ONLY because he is a man. He is not human. He is not to be respected and even Allah's law concerning men's right are not to be taking serious..by the majority. So I feel great...knowing because of my gender majority of these women do not respect me and don't take Allah's law seriously that they are willing to go to hellfire. I do not need to do anything....these women want to jump to hellfire by themselves...who are we as men to stop them !!! ;D ;D


As for getting married, you have two choices:

Choice 1) Either do not get married and live in the Western world and live alone
Choice 2) Leave the comfort of the Western world and marry in poor countries or Middle East or places where such laws are not in effect and raise my family there. Seeing that maybe very well..what I may have to do to get married.

FOR sure getting married in Australia is a positive no, no. Maybe the sisters enjoy such power and love seeing their men suffer or get abused and perhaps to her thinking this is revenge and battle of the sexes. But I assure all the sisters out there with this feminist ideology or thinking..or believing of superiority...you will not be getting an appraisal or applaud in the afterlife. While men may unfortunately have to wait until the day of resurrection to get their justice.....I feel petty and sorry for these sisters who enjoy this temporarily world and who enjoy destroying their men and prefer man made law when in the day of resurrection they will see the fruit of their labor. For men out there...keep your iman steady fast and grab it like coal of fire...as this will be your salvation in the day of resurrection. Women and children of this world are only temporarily enjoyment of this world. Like everything in this world, except for iman, prayer, Qura'an, hajj and the prophets and his friends and deen of Islam...everything else in this world is but a curse. It is a combination of good and bad in them. The fruit you enjoy it in this world but it gets spoiled after a while and the taste is the same..so you get bored. Women and children...they have good and bad in them...don't despair if you die single..know there is something else better waiting you. Don't feel despair either if the Western world is pushing for female supremacy and they want you to think that all women are good and all men are bad and that women are walking angels, that they do not do wrong. That is false.

As for sisters out there...i agree. As a female you do not need men. You are smarter, better, smarter, stronger than us. Allah (Subhananu Wa Talaa) have favored you over us and to that I say, "Allahu Akbar!" I am happy that you as a sex is superior than me. I bow down to you. I also am happy you have more reproductive rights than me...and you have power over me. I am in the back seat and you are..indeed..in the front seat. Please run the country where we men have failed. I bow down to you sister. Phew! I am no more responsible to being provider and protector of women..woohoo! Since you have the power..you have sister 100% responsibility. I know Allah is just. In that I believe. I also believe you will hold all the responsibility of the family affair....the shoulder of having a good father to your children is 100% on you sister, the shoulder that the father raises good children is 100% on you sister, the shoulder to making sure the husband is happy is 100% on you shoulder...and the shoulder of responsibility to being the back bone of society and running society perfectly well is 100% on you sister. I don't blame men for anything. I blame only you sister. You are the one with the power...you shoulder all the responsibility. You are the Shepard of not only the home..but Shepard of society as well. You need to make sure you have a good job..because the shoulder on providing is 100% on you sister! This is what the West wants you to be..so be the man and the woman.....all on you! We men..should just sit down..enjoy ourselves and raise the children. Come on sister...be the super women you dreamed off! And as a super woman..you have 1000% all the responsibility. I salute you!

 

[azc]

^ It's due to misuse of women-empowerment

 

[xboxisdead]

^ It's due to misuse of women-empowerment

Hey...look. Allah love justice and hate injustice and oppression. As such..if women want empowerment then responsibilities must come with it. If women want to compete against men and take over men...then so does the responsibility that comes with it..or else all what feminist have done is is disrespect women, not to take women 100% seriously, to not to listen to women 100% seriously and show us that women are nothing more than little children who would never grow up. I doubt...women want this image about them. So if they want to be treated with respect, treated like a man or better than a man, or treated equally, or treated with empowerment then so should the responsibility that comes with it. If women want power then here is what should be done:

1) Women pay mahir to men
2) Women are the provider and protector to men
3) It is obligation for the women to go outside and work..while the men stay home and raise the children
4) Men should immediately have the custodial right to the children until otherwise specified that he is unfit to raising the children. If the court finds out she lied and said he rapes the children, abuse the children etc then she should go to prison and lose all right to the children and visitation right to the children.
5) As a woman who holds the power and card, what Islam teaches us and how to treat women and how the prophet treats their women...the wive need to do exactly the same to the husband. Remember, the women are the one who comes with more and responsibility so she need to be more patient with the behavior of her husband and if the husband misbehaves she deny him sex until he behaves (don't women do this already? LOL! ;D ;D ;D)
6) Aren't women already divorcing her husband? So you can see she already disbelieve in the ruling of Allah (so I ALREADY PROOFED TO YOU THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO DO SHIRK AND KUFIR WHEN IT COMES TO MEN'S RIGHT!)
7) She need to pay him mahir during the divorce period
8) It is obligation for the women to go outside and work..so her role is outside the home not inside the home.
9) Women need to stop looking pretty and cut her hair short and she need to develop body strength as she also need to be responsible in role of building buildings, homes and carrying heavy objects
10) It is obligation for the woman/women to stand up from the bus seat when the man is in front of her

Now...if you do that...I may consider the gaming field more just. Don't you agree? I mean if she wants to take over men's role and have his so called preavilage than she need to understand this is Earth and not paradise. Nothing comes for free. She need to be the man of the house. I think...and you may agree that if play this role reversal I am happy and content with the agreement. I can start finding a wi...oh by the way...I think it is only just too that the women is the one that seek out her husband and not the husband seeking her out. Come on....how can these women stand a man knocking on her doors asking her for marriage? Don't you feel insulted. You need to be empowered!

So for women who are willing to use alimony against your husband because of your female nature...understand what you are doing and saying. You believe in some of what Islam gives you and you disbelieve in some. These men who married these women need to understand that these women are not Muslim. They are Hypocrite. Which means they are the bottom of the hellfire..bottom, bottom..bottom. A real Muslim will not believe in some and disbelieve in some nor they will use Kufar laws to hurt their fellow Muslim. I think any men who have women do this to them must understand that her iman need to be questioned. At this point, I am happy to see what is in their true heart by coming to Kufar world.