Islam and Democracy

[Cognescenti]

Islam and Democarcy are not incompatible...........as long as the vote comes out the right way kay:

 

[adeeb]

from any directions... islamic law a lot better than democracy...

islamic law has very clear regulations...but democracy accomodate what people want, even if majority want to be allowed to to sex in public, the government will have nothing to say except yes...

in democracy, you can buy people's voice to do what you want.. like in many islamic country.. they just leave Islam and accept western law by the name of democracy..

 

[Whatsthepoint]

islamic law has very clear regulations...but democracy accomodate what people want, even if majority want to be allowed to to sex in public, the government will have nothing to say except yes...

Most governments will say no.
But you can always gather a required amount of signitures and make a referendum about the issue in question..

 

[Yanal]

It's a shame why would Al-Qaada do something to harm women. Besides in Benazirs speech one of them said that no muslims can harm a women. But on the other side it can be Al-Qaada but someone wouldv'e told them too because one two shots then boom all of a sudden how can that be without someones order and i can't believe someone cam be so foolish to do that action and the person who told them is even worse.

 

[adeeb]

It's a shame why would Al-Qaada do something to harm women. Besides in Benazirs speech one of them said that no muslims can harm a women. But on the other side it can be Al-Qaada but someone wouldv'e told them too because one two shots then boom all of a sudden how can that be without someones order and i can't believe someone cam be so foolish to do that action and the person who told them is even worse.

maybe that's impossible for good muslim to kill a women... but was Benazir really great muslima?? many negative issues about her and the white house make us realize who she was...:-\

i read about what benazir did while she was in western country...out of islamic value and she called ' oxford party girl'...:-[
and that kind of women that you wish to be a prime minister? also she wanted to make a good relationship with Israel after winning the election as prime minister...like she got brainwashed by the western:blind:

however, i still disagree on the way killing a person like that

 

[Yanal]

My parents are from Pakistan they respect her so i thought shse was good or know i think she just tried to act i wonder if she prayed but yes you are right that no body should've killed her that way.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Pure democracy is cooperative rule (every citizen has an equal say). Pure Islam is dictatorship (with Allah or the one perceived to speak for him as dictator). These are opposites. The two may mix, but they will always conflict. The more democratic a nation is the less Islamic it can be and vice versa. This also applies to Christianity and Democracy.

 

[north_malaysian]

"Islam and Democracy" the latest book by President of Pan-Malaysian Islamic Party (PAS)

By Roslan Shahir

A book entitled "Islam dan Demokrasi" (Islam and Democracy) is the latest masterpiece of PAS President, Dato Seri Tuan Guru Haji Abdul Hadi Awang("Tuan Guru").

I was instructed by him to get several copies of it to be given as a gift for several political figures listed by himself.

He really want these political figures to see and share his latest book in discovering the openness of Islam towards democracy, something which is being ridiculed by the enemies of Islamic movements.

I was instructed to give those book copies to the former Prime Minister of Malaysia Tun Dr. Mahathir Mohamad, Advisor of People's Justice Party (PKR) Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim and the Opposition Leader Mr. Lim Kit Siang. According to Tuan Guru, Tun (Dr. Mahathir) is an avid reader and during his (Tuan Guru) position as the Opposition Leader before, he gave several books to him (Mahathir) when he was the Prime Minister.

While giving those books to be autographed by him, Tuan Guru told me about the latest news of several Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) figures being detained in Egypt. He said that this shows how double standard are those who are Pro-Western and American agents.

At a time, they want to propagate democracy to the entire world, but in the same time they take actions against Islamic movements which accepted democracy as what is happening towards the Ikhwan political figures.

Regarding to Democracy, Tuan Guru mentioned in his book preface that Islam would never reject a good thing (ideas) regardless where it was created or founded. It's proven that the Islamic movements accepted democratic way in shaping administrations in various levels, some (Islamic movements) are successful while some others are failures. Whatsoever, if the whole world want democracy as a way in order to create an administration of state, the Islamic movements are ready to use it.

For over 50 years PAS had already accepted this democracy practice. And as early as 1959 PAS managed to rule the state goverments of Kelantan and Terengganu by democracy practice.

Until now, PAS is still welcoming this (democracy) practice with remaining as a political power recognised and respected by its administration in the state of Kelantan, and its representatives in the "Dewan Rakyat" (Parliament) and "Dewan Negara" (Senate) and other states' assembly halls.

And it's not possible if Malaysia has a democratic competition arena in accordance to the true democracy principals and practices propagated by the West, PAS is confident to gain more success and could contribute towards the development of the religion, people and country more effectively.

It's important that the public should understand on how Islam really accept democracy. And if PAS managed to be in power (ruling Malaysia) it would continually preserving this democracy practice in its administration and leadership contrary to lies said by some (Anti-PAS) people.

The "power" would be (if PAS rule Malaysia) permanently rest in the people's hands. If the people had enough with PAS, then via the democracy practice they have the right to reject PAS.

The history had witnessed the rises and falls of PAS administered state governments, rised with the supports of people and fell mostly by democracy practice which actually done by lies and corruptions (of the current Malaysian government).

Whatsoever, the supporters of PAS had proven that within 50 years of independency of the country, they accepted well whether (PAS) lost or won without creating any chaotic or disturbance acts and not even bloodshed which had been done by other political parties when they lost in the general election for example in 1969 (between United Malays' NAtional Organisation-UMNO and Democratic Action Party-DAP) and in Sabah when Sabah United Party (PBS) managed to rule the state of Sabah.

Because of that, the task of the leaders, members and supporters of PAS is too heavy which is to convince the public that the democracy practice which the spirit of it is enshrined in the Federal Constitution would be preserved if PAS is given the responsibility to preserve it. It (democracy practice) currently has lots of faultiness as the preserver (the current Government) is too greedy and afraid if they lost their power democratically.

I estimated that I would finish reading this book in a short period. I would like to suggest the leaders and members of PAS and those who want to know PAS closer to get this book for all of them to analyse and understand it.

Meanwhile, I would do my duty given to me that is to make sure that Tuan Guru's book would be given to the hands of Tun Mahathir, Dato Seri Anwar Ibrahim, Lim Kit Siang and others.

(Roslan Shahir bin Datuk Mohd Shahir is the Press Secretary of the President of PAS)

Translated from: http://pemudapasseremban.net/v4/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=538&Itemid=2

 

[Uthman]

Greetings,

It's more of a "current event"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_South_Korean_hostage_crisis_in_Afghanistan

Of course...you will tell me they Talibums weren't following the tenants of Islam.

And would you disagree with me if I said that?

 

[Bittersteel]

Decomcracy says, do what ever you want.

that's in a liberal country.

for a Non-Muslim perspective this post seems to say everything.

Depends on how you define democracy. An Islam state can never be a "liberal democracy" IMHO, in which individual liberty is thought to be most important. But that does not mean that Islam is hostile to mechanism such as elections to select a ruler or parliament. And on all matters on which there is no divine law there is room for the rule of the majority.

All in all I think there is room for a narrow form of 'democracy' on the executive level, ie. at the level of the rulers, where policy is made. Consultation of the people and participation by the people appear to be encouraged in Islam.

However, there is very little room for popular intervention in law making. The will of the people can NEVER overrule the will of God. So when making laws individual liberty is simply not the prime concern, nor is popular opinion.

there is another thing.In a Muslim state Non-Muslims are allowed to have their own laws and courts.In modern western developed nations there is no such thing(for minorities).it can be a good or bad thing depending on how you view it.

I don't know whether they can have representatives though;it's probably allowed.

Of course...you will tell me they Talibums weren't following the tenants of Islam.

of course they were.They were just extreme,irrational and a bunch of crazy illiterate fools,retarded even.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

there is another thing.In a Muslim state Non-Muslims are allowed to have their own laws and courts.In modern western developed nations there is no such thing(for minorities).it can be a good or bad thing depending on how you view it.

I don't know whether they can have representatives though;it's probably allowed.

In developed democracies minorities are protected by an entire set of laws - in the area they live in, every public service, including eductaion, courts etc must be available in their native language, their culture is protected and financially supported by the state, they have the freedom to worship anything they want (but that has nothing to do with minorities legislation). As far as I know, minorities don't have their own courts, at least not in any country I know of. In europe that's not much of a problem because most nations there are culturally related, so they don't have drastically different views on justice.

 

[Amadeus85]

Since islamic revival in 60's and 70's it's clearly to see that muslims try to establish a state closest to islamic (or even shariah).It can be seen from Morocco to Indonesia. But still some american or european politicians (vide Bush,Condie Rice or Gordon brown) say that they want to give democracy to muslim world. But when muslims get true democracy they will establish religious state, most probably hostile to western interests.

 

[Bittersteel]

yes look at the Hamas.They were elected.
But no, not all Muslims aren't the same or cry for religious states.The influence of liberalism is greater in this increasingly globalized world.Maybe a minority cry for a religious state surprising if you find it.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

yes look at the Hamas.They were elected.
But no, not all Muslims aren't the same or cry for religious states.The influence of liberalism is greater in this increasingly globalized world.Maybe a minority cry for a religious state surprising if you find it.

Hamas was elected because it is the only political force truely opposing Israel. IMHO a green socialist party would have won in Gaza as long as it had a tough stance on Israel.

 

[Amadeus85]

yes look at the Hamas.They were elected.
But no, not all Muslims aren't the same or cry for religious states.The influence of liberalism is greater in this increasingly globalized world.Maybe a minority cry for a religious state surprising if you find it.

I hope that you understand that i just wanted to show the close minds of those politicians. It's not that Im against islamic state in muslim countries. It is not my buisness.

 

[Omar_Mukhtar]

quote:But still some american or european politicians (vide Bush,Condie Rice or Gordon brown) say that they want to give democracy to muslim world.

And do you believe condi and her crew are actually serious?

 

[Bittersteel]

It's not that Im against islamic state in muslim countries. It is not my buisness.

your elected leaders don't think such as you.it's not only Bush and Co but also the EU who thinks they should meddle for what they think is the greater good.

 

[Isambard]

"In any other case, Muslims should dictate everyone else's life because obviously they know better."

What planet do you live on??

One where people understand perspective-taking and sarcasm.

 

[wilberhum]

from any directions... islamic law a lot better than democracy...
Maybe if you are a Muslim that not only wants to be a slave of Allah but also wants to be a slave of the state.:-\
islamic law has very clear regulations...
You have to be kidding me. Islamic law can't even figure out the details of a womans head ware.
but democracy accomodate what people want, even if majority want to be allowed to to sex in public, the government will have nothing to say except yes...
In any society, IMHO the majority of people are moral. There is one of your safe guard.
in democracy, you can buy people's voice to do what you want..
There are corrupt people in every government. That is the fallacy that most ignore when it comes to an Islamic state. It will not meet you expectations because there will be some corrupt people running it.
like in many islamic country..
There are no Islamic countries.
they just leave Islam and accept western law by the name of democracy..
You have to leave Islam to accept western law? You need to let your Western brothers and sisters in on this well kept secret.

In the end almost no non-Muslim wants to live in a theocracy.
There are many many reasons for that.

 

[Bittersteel]

like in many islamic country..
There are no Islamic countries.

maybe he referred to Muslim majority countries?if not perfectly Islamic at least nations with most laws based on the Islamic tenets.

wanted to post it.It may help.

http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/blewis.htm