Islam could become Europe’s dominant religion

  • Thread starter Thread starter Uthman
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 110
  • Views Views 15K
Remember though that when a Christian or Jew chooses to discard their faith, it's invariably because they are frustrated with Organised Religion, not with just Christianity or Judiasm. Apostates from these religions will rarely look for others.

Therefore, although one day, in europe, we may see the majority of people who are following a religion are the muslims, thats going to be because practically nobody else is following religion.

Even Catholic numbers are falling, and the Catholics put a penalty on leaving their religion as ****ation in the hereafter (excommunication), which traditionally has been a great help to them in keeping their beleivers on board.
 
In post above ****nation = d-a-mnation (Is that swearing?..Its in both Bible and Koran?) :)
 
:sl:

Christians leaders are becoming increasingly concerned about the threat to this country's Christian identity posed by the rate of immigration. I have a couple of articles from the mainstream media on the subject.

Carey urges immigration control

Former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey has called for tighter controls on immigration when Gordon Brown becomes prime minister.

He told the BBC the issue would "not go away" and that stricter controls were needed alongside clemency for refugees.

Lord Carey also urged Mr Brown not to forget "the importance of Christian identity" to the UK population.

The Refugee Council said he was out of step with other religious groups and that controls were already strict.

British identity

Speaking on Radio 4's Sunday programme about his hopes for the Brown government, Lord Carey said: "At home, the issue of immigration will not go away and I hope that he will impose stricter controls on those entering the United Kingdom."

But he added that he understood Mr Brown was "very concerned" about British identity and that there was a need to balance control with "clemency in the case of some people who need refugee status".

start_quote_rb-1.gif
Lord Carey would seem to be out of step of with the Church of England and other Christian and faith groups
end_quote_rb-1.gif

Tim Finch
Refugee Council

He added: "I hope he will not forget the importance of Christian identity at the very heart of being a part of the United Kingdom."

Tim Finch, of the Refugee Council, questioned why Lord Carey had intervened on the subject when "controls on immigration and asylum were so strong already".

He added: "Lord Carey would seem to be out of step with the Church of England and other Christian and faith groups which have been in the forefront of calls for more generosity to be shown to migrants and refugees."

The programme also heard from Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks, the Muslim Council of Britain's secretary general, Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, and chairman of the Hindu Council UK, Dr Jagdish Sharma.

Mr Brown has previously said he would like to see immigrants doing community work to help them settle before being granted UK citizenship.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6234542.stm

 Pope's aide warns of 'threat by Islam'

Last Updated: 2:02am BST 27/07/2007

The Pope's private secretary has given warning of the Islamisation of Europe and stressed the need for the continent's Christian roots not to be ignored, in comments released yesterday.

"Attempts to Islamise the West cannot be denied," Monsignor Georg Gaenswein was quoted as saying in an advance copy of the weekly Sueddeutsche Magazin to be published today.

"The danger for the identity of Europe that is connected with it should not be ignored out of a wrongly understood respectfulness," the magazine quoted him as saying.

He also defended a speech that the Pope gave last year that linked Islam and violence, saying it had been an attempt by the pontiff to "act against a certain naivety".

In the speech during a visit to Germany in September, the Pope appeared to endorse a view, contested by most Muslims, that Islam's followers spread their religion in its early days by violence.

The Pope quoted Manuel II Paleologus, the 14th-century Byzantine emperor, who said: "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Muslims around the world protested against the speech. Churches were set ablaze in the West Bank and a hard-line Iranian cleric said that the Pope was united with President George W Bush to "repeat the Crusades".

When an Italian nun was shot in a Somali hospital where she worked, the Vatican expressed concern that the attack was a reaction to the Pope's remarks.

Recently, Joachim Meisner, the influential archbishop of Cologne, said in a radio interview that the "immigration of Muslims has created a breach in our German, European culture".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/27/wislam127.xml

:w:
 
No copy/paste, just a personal reflection:

The point is where will this lead? I mean, muslims cry that christianity is slowely by slowely coming to muslim territory, while muslims conquer western territory.
But I can notice, that when Muslims come to west, that is ok and everyone is happy, so far on this forum and other muslim forums.
Oppsite naturally brings up hatred against christianisation in muslim territory.

Well, I perfectly understand this situtaion, hey, we are on an muslim board. Who wants already 'intruders' in your stable established society, everything is built up upon muslim moral values and beliefs.

But wait, what is with the others?? What do think the people on the other side, who are deeply christian and hold tight to those moral values and priveleges, which they built up during past centuries? Do they not have the right to express theese feelings and they just get overrun by the muslim arrogance yelling 'we want more muslim rights' inside a country, which does not belong to them? Here, Muslims are shouting ' were is this so called western tolerance?'

Honestly, I don't know. it's not in my power to change things.

Nobody can deny, that the future lies in the hand of our children. Fact is also, more muslim children get born than christian. But, then, I ask myself a question? Will this 'new' muslim generation living in the west also not become tempted by western values, like playing 'gameboy' instead of praying, chatting on Yahoo, running through streets the head plunged staring permantely on the cellphone, texting, instead of reading the Quaran?
Will then Islam in a few generation start to adopt a more secular postion coz today's children are the grownups from tomorrow?

I strongly believe, that, if tomorrow, Islam would take place in Western countries, christians would go underground, hide, and who knows, maybe also start to play 'suicide bombers' in the name of God ! Then again, muslims will get angry and call every christians 'terrorists'
That would then be a déjà-vu, no?

... like Freddy Mercury said, the 'Show must go on'...
 
Great post and good points of reflection. Just wanted to say that you make a point about the next Muslim generation and how they might be tempted by Western/secular values? If this is the case than i suggest you come take a visit to East London, great changes are taking place there Inshallah. I think this is the case with many places, you know the old saying "no such thing as bad publicity"? With the media coverage that we are recieving, Muslims around the world are asking "hey whats the big deal with this Islam". Ans so they research and find out and learn the facts. I'll give you an example of a Muslim who did this...........Me.

Anyway there is no doubt that a clash in ideology is taking place, the question then becomes can they co-exist..........oh i have the answer YES they can. We have been doing that since my Gramps came from the Shores of Bengal and landed on the soil of Britain.
 
Doesn't matter to me which religion reigns superior, Islam or Christianity, so long as I can continue to live free from it.
 
I dont think that islam would become the major faith of Europe some day. Islam may be major religion in some parts of Europe, in some cities, but not in the whole continent. I think that europeans will close the borders early enough, and they wont allow to create Eurabia.
 
Eurabia......why would it be called that? Anway what will happen tomorrow is in Allahs will. But the way things are looking......well you never know. I can only speak for my community and Mashallah it looks cool.
 
SATalha said:
Eurabia......why would it be called that? Anway what will happen tomorrow is in Allahs will. But the way things are looking......well you never know. I can only speak for my community and Mashallah it looks cool.
Click to expand...

Eurabia, Londonistan, Al Andaluz, Marseille Caliphate, there may be many names. But as i said, not the whole continent. Because it wouldnt be Europe anymore, rather Eurabia.
 
Osman said:
By the way, I am curious. Do you have any particular reaction to that fact that Islam could become Europe's dominant religion? Do you see it as maybe a good or a bad thing?

Regards
Click to expand...

I know that you weren't asking me lol, but I think this is something that more then one person needs to answer.

For me, as a Christian, I see it as a.. Well, scary thing for islam to grow. The reason is not so much because islam is a bad religion, but rather because the West is soo different. I think it will be VERY VERY hard to segregate women and men in our society. I also think that it will be ESPECIALLY hard for Europe to give up wine. I come from a French family, and wine is everyday thing to us. It is like tea for the Americans. If you don't drink wine in Europe, you are crazy! Everyone has a little wine cabinent and such. It is essential. And it will be hard to give up the great taste of wine.

Also, I think it will be hard for many people on the issue of homoseuxality.. Many americans have gay/lebian friends. Hah, anywhere from 6-10% of our population IS gay! Lol. So that would be something hard for us to accept.. To go back in time and start disapproving of homosexuality.

It also will exceptionally hard to give up the artistic culture of europe and many urban cities in America. Giving up music will be especially hard.

Also, pets.. We all love our pets here! 34% of Americans have dogs. And it would seriously cause problems if islam became dominant.

Ah, but I am speaking mainly if a lot of people convert. If someone mvoves to Europe already muslim, then they already probably do not drink wine, have dogs, etc. But, it will be hard for us europeans to accept a culture that is far more conservative.

The vast majority of my friends are female. That's how it is for many people. And it would be hard to see that as being unacceptable i nthe eyes of some.

Ultimetely though, I am confident that islam will not take over. Trust me, right wing neo conservative policies are taking over. And many muslims are moving to islamic lands.. Many. I think that if islam does ever take over, it will be a slow gradual process.. and, it would not hurt society so much. It will be like albanian muslims.. drink, strippers, secular! Lol

So it's not so much a bad thing, it's just a total change of our culture, which will not go too well..
Aaron85 said:
I dont think that islam would become the major faith of Europe some day. Islam may be major religion in some parts of Europe, in some cities, but not in the whole continent. I think that europeans will close the borders early enough, and they wont allow to create Eurabia.
Click to expand...
True! I think that the situation for muslims is getting really bad here in the west (especially in the UK) I think that ultimetely immigration will be virtually stopped form islamic nations, and muslims will leave. Plus, if an ummah ever gets established (which I would support) many muslims would leave.

I think you can bank on this. The same secularization that happened to Christianity will happen to Islam if it is submerged in western culture. I see this as a good thing, but I'm sure many muslims would see it as something to avoid.
Click to expand...

Hah, are you kidding me? Granted, I know it happened EXTREMELY quickly in albania and bosnia, but that is because of communism. I doubt islam will ever secularize/liberalize. I wish. But no. Plus, converts generally adhere to the values more, and here in america at least, I think we will soon see more converts then born muslims.
 
Re: Islam could become Europes dominant religion

Your right. Some of our revert broz n sis put us to shame.
 
Last edited:
This is completely theoretical, but say the economies of Europe go into depression. Not unlike the situation with Germany after WWI. It is situations like this that produce cultural backlashes. People always look for someone to blame. Taking history into account, all the elements exist in Europe(and in the U.S.), for far right-wing control of government. By "far right-wing" I'm not talking George Bush-wing, I'm talking Adolph Hitler-wing. Right now the American economy is strong, and nobody is thinking about it. However, the economies in Europe, especially France, are stagnant. Perhaps we've learned enough from Germany to avoid that scenario, but somehow I doubt it.
 
The word 'Eurabia' is just one of the funniest portmanteaus since... Brangelina.

Keltoi said:
This is completely theoretical, but say the economies of Europe go into depression. Not unlike the situation with Germany after WWI. It is situations like this that produce cultural backlashes. People always look for someone to blame. Taking history into account, all the elements exist in Europe(and in the U.S.), for far right-wing control of government. By "far right-wing" I'm not talking George Bush-wing, I'm talking Adolph Hitler-wing. Right now the American economy is strong, and nobody is thinking about it. However, the economies in Europe, especially France, are stagnant. Perhaps we've learned enough from Germany to avoid that scenario, but somehow I doubt it.
Click to expand...
Ah don't worry, I'll make gas masks should that eventuality ever occur. :p
 
Last edited:
Keltoi said:
This is completely theoretical, but say the economies of Europe go into depression. Not unlike the situation with Germany after WWI. It is situations like this that produce cultural backlashes. People always look for someone to blame. Taking history into account, all the elements exist in Europe(and in the U.S.), for far right-wing control of government. By "far right-wing" I'm not talking George Bush-wing, I'm talking Adolph Hitler-wing. Right now the American economy is strong, and nobody is thinking about it. However, the economies in Europe, especially France, are stagnant. Perhaps we've learned enough from Germany to avoid that scenario, but somehow I doubt it.
Click to expand...

Anything is possible of course, but democracies are much more firmly established now than they were in the 1920-30s. So I'm weary of the comparison. So while I believe we could move towards a bit more authoritarianism, I don't think it is likely at all that developed Western European countries will move towards a dictatorial form of government.
 
KAding said:
Anything is possible of course, but democracies are much more firmly established now than they were in the 1920-30s. So I'm weary of the comparison. So while I believe we could move towards a bit more authoritarianism, I don't think it is likely at all that developed Western European countries will move towards a dictatorial form of government.
Click to expand...
Maybe, but given today's climate (both political and meteorological) all it would take is a jab or two to rattle people's cages so much that they desire a super-strong cage with barbed wire and electrified bars to keep out the scapegoats.
 
Re: Islam could become Europes dominant religion

KAding said:
Anything is possible of course, but democracies are much more firmly established now than they were in the 1920-30s. So I'm weary of the comparison. So while I believe we could move towards a bit more authoritarianism, I don't think it is likely at all that developed Western European countries will move towards a dictatorial form of government.
Click to expand...

Yeah iam so proud of democracy and the uncurrupted guvernments of the west. And and and Iraq oh the joy.
 
Re: Islam could become Europes dominant religion

SATalha said:
Yeah iam so proud of democracy and the uncurrupted guvernments of the west. And and and Iraq oh the joy.
Click to expand...

Iraq does not a have well-established democracy. The UK has. That does not mean the UK does not fight wars. I never said it did.

If you think it is bad in the UK now for Muslims, I can assure you it can get so much worse. At least now you know what is going wrong, in a dictatorship you wouldn't even know that, since there would be no information from Iraq or about Belmarsh.
 

Similar Threads

Back
Top