~ Islam Got It First ~

[Amadeus85]

Well historicly they where jews, but according to the quaran, and the quaran only they where muslims.

Yes i agree with you, only according to the Quaran they were muslims. While children all over the world, also in East Asia and non muslim Africa i believe, know that Moses, Abraham and Isaac were Jews. They celebrated jewish holy days, and as far as i know before Muhammad's times there is No single historical verse about religion called islam, while there are hundreds of historical stuff about judaism and Jews.

 

[جوري]

I know how to filter through the crap.. question is can you?

You have a very dichotomous personality, and though I have most people here more or less figured out, you are somewhat of an enigma, I don't mean that in a flattering way.. like a heckle and Jeckle personality! I am not quite sure where you are coming from, where you've been or where you are going!-- but the way you are going I see a big "account disabled" in your future!

peace!

 

[جوري]

Yes i agree with you, only according to the Quaran they were muslims. While children all over the world, also in East Asia and non muslim Africa i believe, know that Moses, Abraham and Isaac were Jews. They celebrated jewish holy days, and as far as i know before Muhammad's times there is No single historical verse about religion called islam, while there are hundreds of historical stuff about judaism and Jews.

You should become Jewish, since there is no historical account of Jesus and frankly the Jews believe him a phony, it will give your pathological need to constantly leech off their history a satisfactory rest, and be a bit less embarrassing for you!.. I won't even address the rest, I believe what I have written prior is sufficient for discerning minds!

peace!

 

[Bittersteel]

the only thing we can learn that Islam allows to seek knowledge.Nothing else.These are all history and we should keep them in the books and progress towards the future,instead of thinking about them always.

 

[Sinbad]

I know how to filter through the crap.. question is can you?

You have a very dichotomous personality, and though I have most people here more or less figured out, you are somewhat of an enigma, I don't mean that in a flattering way.. like a heckle and Jeckle personality! I am not quite sure where you are coming from, where you've been or where you are going!-- but the way you are going I see a big "account disabled" in your future!

peace!

I love you to, its great that we have become so good friends! :thumbs_up

 

[جوري]

talking about it might give people the impetus to move forward again in the positive direction insha'Allah..

 

[barney]

Since this thread was posted to be a "Nahh nahh nahh nahh nahh...We are better than you, look at all the stuff we discovered" Thread.
It might be good if we get a list of all the things, scientific, mathmatical, mechanical "Islamic" "Christian" "Jewish" nations have developed and discovered. Taking it from the early 7th C since Islam is the youngest to make it fair.

I'm not going to do it...Too much ruddy work, but since the point of the thread seems to be to try and rub peoples noses in others acheivements rather than thinking that its "Mankind" that discovered these things and that they are for all of us, It might get the thing back on track.

 

[ranma1/2]

Since this thread was posted to be a "Nahh nahh nahh nahh nahh...We are better than you, look at all the stuff we discovered" Thread.
It might be good if we get a list of all the things, scientific, mathmatical, mechanical "Islamic" "Christian" "Jewish" nations have developed and discovered. Taking it from the early 7th C since Islam is the youngest to make it fair.

I'm not going to do it...Too much ruddy work, but since the point of the thread seems to be to try and rub peoples noses in others acheivements rather than thinking that its "Mankind" that discovered these things and that they are for all of us, It might get the thing back on track.

as i said before this "we are better than you mentality" holds no purpose except to create walls and is a horrible way of thinking.

 

[Malaikah]

In my university i have learned that Moses, David, Abraham and the rest were Jews. My encyklopedy says the same.So whom should i believe to? You or my professors and historical books?

LOL! I would to see the evidence provided other than the bible!

There is no non-religious evidence that these men even existed!

 

[Zman]

Since this thread was posted to be a "Nahh nahh nahh nahh nahh...We are better than you, look at all the stuff we discovered" Thread.

Honestly, that wasn't my intention at all.

It's a fact that all civilizations have contributed to the advancement of humanity, and no one has a monopoly.

But, you seem to have taken this the wrong way.

What's wrong with us being proud of our discoveries?

Instead of being happy, you got all defensive and attempted to put us and our achievements down...

 

[Zman]

I'm sure the entire university system is wrong. :skeleton:

I agree

 

[Keltoi]

I didn't take the thread as a "nah nah nah" type of thing, as I'm well aware that classical education in the "West" focuses on the Greek and Roman scholars and philosophers, while probably overlooking the contributions of other civilizations. However, I think some people are falling into the same trap by suggesting many of these discoveries were somehow Islamic-only. Those Muslim scientists and scholars owe a large portion of their knowledge to those who came before, just as the Greek and Romans did.

 

[Muezzin]

Humanity sucks sometimes. Even when people do good things, other people moan at them.

Every people on this planet contributed to it in some way. Is it rubbing people's noses in it for those people to be proud of the accomplishments persons from their number made, without trying to assert any sort of superiority?

Earlier in the thread, someone sarcastically said 'Einstein was a Jew. Go Jews!' I agree with that statement, sincerely. The Jewish community should be proud that such a great mind came from its number. The Christian communities should be proud of the great minds that came from their number. The Muslim community should be proud of the great minds that came from our number, though I think we should spend less time dwelling in the past, and more time trying to surpass the accomplishments of those great historical figures.

I'm not drawing a causal link between people's religions and their accomplishments, and I don't think others intend to. All they appear to intend to do is to say 'wow, they're the same as me in some way!' The same way you'd be proud if a sporting legend came from your hometown.