Islam Is Not The Enemy

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OK buddy, you find an unintelligent bigot to be funny and I don't. Let's agree to disagree. :peace:
Because he was confused or lacked knowledge he is an "unintelligent bigot"?

Wow!

I guess I'm a Hindu bigot because I don't know all the gods. :skeleton:
 
Because he was confused or lacked knowledge he is an "unintelligent bigot"?

Wow!

I guess I'm a Hindu bigot because I don't know all the gods. :skeleton:

Pretending to know more than the average person about a religion, and then making possibly the SILLIEST AND DUMBEST mistake on National TV does make you an unintelligent bigot. He sheds a bad light on us. :)

You may find the unintelligent funny, but maybe that just has to do with his intelligence level? I mean, everyone finds dumb people funny. Especially when they THINK they're smart. ;)
 
Pretending to know more than the average person about a religion, and then making possibly the SILLIEST AND DUMBEST mistake on National TV does make you an unintelligent bigot. He sheds a bad light on us. :)

You may find the unintelligent funny, but maybe that just has to do with his intelligence level? I mean, everyone finds dumb people funny. Especially when they THINK they're smart. ;)
What is just so astounding about this is that in the 100 of hours I have lissened to him, I have never heard him say anything about Muslims. So I guess he must have once.
So I have to wonder, is he pretending, or are you intolloarnt? :?
 
What is just so astounding about this is that in the 100 of hours I have lissened to him, I have never heard him say anything about Muslims. So I guess he must have once.
So I have to wonder, is he pretending, or are you intolloarnt? :?

Buddy, you're just blinded by his stupidity masked as 'intelligence'. :sunny:
 
Buddy, you're just blinded by his stupidity masked as 'intelligence'. :sunny:

Or you are blinded because he doesn't toe to your "Islamic Line"?

It seams branding someone stupid because on one remark is pure bigotry.

It seams your sole judge of intelligence is based on Islamic knowledge.

That may be a valid measure in some places, but not in the West.
 
Or you are blinded because he doesn't toe to your "Islamic Line"?

It seams branding someone stupid because on one remark is pure bigotry.

It seams your sole judge of intelligence is based on Islamic knowledge.

That may be a valid measure in some places, but not in the West.

LMAOOMG! You're being so extremely ridiculous.

1) I found it insulting to mistake our beloved Nabi (SAW) with Elijah Mohamed.

2) He parades around the fact that he has 'knowledge' of Islam but made a more than silly mistake that someone with knowledge of the deen wouldn't make.

You're being so narrow-minded. I'm not even going to bother with you. Why do you even bother coming to an ISLAMIC FORUM!? Is there any logic in doing so? You're obviously not here for good intentions, you're only here to rile people up.

Just stop while you're ahead. :thumbs_do

I am out.
 
LMAOOMG! You're being so extremely ridiculous.

1) I found it insulting to mistake our beloved Nabi (SAW) with Elijah Mohamed.

2) He parades around the fact that he has 'knowledge' of Islam but made a more than silly mistake that someone with knowledge of the deen wouldn't make.

You're being so narrow-minded. I'm not even going to bother with you. Why do you even bother coming to an ISLAMIC FORUM!? Is there any logic in doing so? You're obviously not here for good intentions, you're only here to rile people up.

Just stop while you're ahead. :thumbs_do

I am out.

see folks its not just me, willyboy is annoying the sisters too.
 
Islam is not here for your entertainment or for show, you want to know the real Islam get off your dutch atheist a$$ and go learn about Islam.

I try. But you know, I think that is exactly what is confusing me :confused:! It was so much easier when I thought there was a monolithic Islam. I have for example read writings from Sayyid Qutb and al-Zawahiri as well as the most recent book of Tariq Ramadan. One Islam is my enemy, the other is not. Sure I can have my own opinion about what Islam really is, but thats hardly relevant here, is it? The question here is whether it makes sense to make statements about "Islam" not being "the enemy", when there is no unified opinion among Muslims on how to practice Islam.

Oh and whether certain interpretations of Islam are 'the enemy', for me, also depends on where they want to implemented. I mean, what Muslims do in their own countries is really their business. But if some Muslims want to bring their version of Islam to Europe and it is in contradiction with my view of the state and justice system, then I get a bit squeamish. In other words, I'm much more likely to consider someone an enemy if they want to negatively influence my life, rather than someones life in, say, Pakistan.
 
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I really don't care about any Islamophobes views on Islam or Muslims.

But, I do care about the views of those who are enquiring to grasp a better understanding in order to have a fruitful dialogue & better understanding.

As for the Islamophobes, they truly don't desire peace, understanding and harmony. They will constantly find ways and employ methods Just to attack Islam and Muslims.

They are racists and xenophobes to the core.

Attacking Islam & Muslims is Just their most recent attempt at conjuring up an enemy that will allow themselves to expose and voice their hatred. That way they can cloak their bigotry in the guise of "human rights," "defending their civilization & way of life," "that they are defending themselves from atacks" (yet, they are the ones who are consistently attacking others), "assimilation & intigration," and so on with their petty and unrealistic excuses.

Every minority has dealt with their hatred and venom, before. Everyone is an enemy and beneath them...

That is indeed the way of the extremists. On both sides.
 
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I really don't care about any Islamophobes views on Islam or Muslims.

But, I do care about the views of those who are enquiring to grasp a better understanding in order to have a fruitful dialogue & better understanding.

As for the Islamophobes, they truly don't desire peace, understanding and harmony. They will constantly find ways and employ methods Just to attack Islam and Muslims.

They are racists and xenophobes to the core.

Attacking Islam & Muslims is Just their most recent attempt at conjuring up an enemy that will allow themselves to expose and voice their hatred. That way they can cloak their bigotry in the guise of "human rights," "defending their civilization & way of life," "that they are defending themselves from atacks" (yet, they are the ones who are consistently attacking others), "assimilation & intigration," and so on with their petty and unrealistic excuses.

Every minority has dealt with their hatred and venom, before. Everyone is an enemy and beneath them...

Curious, I had the same thoughts about some 'wannabe-muslims'....nahhhhh, will not say it !
 
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Can We Win The Ideological War?


Courtesy Of: The American Conservative
By Patrick J. Buchanan
August 27, 2007 Issue
AmConMag

Asked during World War II why the British continued to fight so ferociously, Churchill is said to have snorted, “If we stop, you’ll find out.”

The question arises in the war on terror: we know who the main enemy is, al-Qaeda, the men and movement responsible for 9/11, but what are they fighting for? What is their war all about?

A year ago, in Salt Lake City, President Bush, addressing the American Legion, sought to define the war from his perspective:

“The war we fight today is more than a military conflict; it is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century. On one side are those who believe in the values of freedom and moderation—the right of all people to speak, and worship, and live in liberty.

And on the other side are those driven by the values of tyranny and extremism—the right of a self-appointed few to impose their fanatical views on all the rest.”

Certainly terrorists who massacre innocents are fanatics. Certainly, the caliphate bin Laden’s acolytes would establish would be tyrannical. But if the enemy were only a cabal of terrorists, hell-bent on establishing a tyranny, they would not be on the verge of expelling us from Iraq and perhaps from Afghanistan.
Why are we losing the war if President Bush has correctly defined the stakes in this “ideological struggle”?

One reason is that the true goals of bin Laden, the insurgents in Iraq, and the Taliban are not so abstract as those of Mr. Bush. They are concrete, understandable, realizable, and appealing to millions.

In his declaration of war on the United States, bin Laden listed three goals:

expel U.S. forces from the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia, stop the persecution of innocent Iraqis through U.S.-UN sanctions, and end the Israeli repression and dispossession of the Palestinian people.

Not only do these goals have broad appeal to Arab peoples, bin Laden has achieved victory in the first. After 9/11, U.S. forces were pulled out of Saudi Arabia at the request of the king.

And while Bush calls this an ideological struggle, the enemy has allied itself with some very powerful ideas. As did Mao and Ho Chi Minh, our enemy has captured the flag of nationalism:
We fight to get your troops off our land! We fight to get your hooks out of our government! Leave us to rule ourselves!More importantly, our enemy has rooted his cause in a 1,400-year-old religion that has 1.2 billion adherents, has survived crusades, invasions and occupations, and is growing again in militancy and converts

Our enemy, be it Shia or Sunni in Iraq or the Taliban in Afghanistan, claims to be fighting for a rule of law, Sharia, sanctioned by the Koran, and a form of government the Prophet mandates for Islamic peoples. And that is not some secular-liberal, do-your-own-thing democracy.

As for the tactics the enemy uses, decent Muslims the world over are said to be growing disgusted with the slaughter by suicide bombers of men, women, and children.
But are these not the tactics the French maquis and Italian and Yugoslav partisans used on the Nazis and their collaborators? Was this not the way Israelis expelled the British, the Algerians expelled the French, the Afghans expelled the Soviets, the ANC overthrew apartheid, and Hezbollah drove the IDF out of Lebanon?

Clausewitz would understand: terrorism is the extension of Islamist politics by other means.

If we know what al-Qaeda is fighting for, what exactly are we fighting for?

Taking the president literally, we are fighting for the right of Islamic peoples “to speak, and worship, and live in liberty.”

Here we come to our dilemma. Devout Muslims in Islamic lands do not believe people should be free to blaspheme or insult the Prophet. They do not believe all religions are equal or should be treated equally. They do not believe Christians should be free to preach in their lands. The punishment for those who do, and for those who convert from Islam in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia as well as Iran, is death.
Moreover, in every Middle East country, Islamic parties have broadening support.

In free elections in Egypt, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and Iran, Islamists made gains or racked up victories. In Turkey, a moderate Islamic party just won national power.

It is Western secularism that is in retreat.

It is our friends in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, the Gulf states, and Israel who seem most apprehensive about any more elections among the Arab masses. The Islamists seem to welcome them—and to succeed in them.

Should U.S. soldiers die for democracy in the Islamic world, when democracy may produce victory for the political progeny of the Muslim Brotherhood? Is that worth the lives of America’s young?

Source:
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_08_27/buchanan.html
 

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