Islam Needs to "Reform"

[MesMorial]

Response to 3:31-32 (and others like it)


“Say: If you love Allah, then follow me, Allah will love you and forgive you your faults, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. Say: Obey Allah and the Messenger; but if they turn back, then surely Allah does not love the unbelievers.”

31-32


There is a distinction between “following Muhammad (SAW)” as a community leader and “obeying Allah and the Messenger”. Muhammad (SAW) is to be obeyed because he is a believer in what is being revealed and he judges by it (see notes for 2:124). Hence we are expected to follow suit. To “obey Allah and the Messenger” is to obey one source. See 8:20:

“O you who believe! obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn back from Him while you hear.”

The phrase “while you hear” suggests that to obey Allah and His Messenger is to obey the Revelation. See 24:51:

“The response of the believers, when they are invited to Allah and His Messenger that he may judge between them, is only to say: We hear and we obey; and these it is that are the successful.”

If “Allah and His Messenger” means that Muhammad (SAW) is to judge between people, this judgement must certainly be based on the Qur’an since Allah (SWT) does not consult Muhammad (SAW) regarding decision-making. The first ayah of sura 9 declares that an ultimatum is issued from Allah (SWT) and His Messenger. We know that the verses about the ultimatum are entirely from Allah (SWT) because He does not consult Muhammad about the ultimatum. Muhammad’s (SAW) only mission was to deliver Allah’s (SWT) Message (16:35, 24:54). Thus, the reason that Allah (SWT) included the Messenger in 9:1 is because he participated as deliverer of the ultimatum. Similarly, because people received Allah’s (SWT) Message through Messengers, they were ordered to obey the Messengers. This is repeated in 9:3. We also know that the Qur’an is a permanent messenger (65:11), and that the Qur’an is a reminder and deliverer of good news (41:4, 11:2). What Muhammad (SAW) decides as a Messenger of religious teaching is what Allah (SWT) decides (33:36). See (notes for) 4:59 to sufficiently substantiate these claims.

Remember it was clearer at the time (amongst the people) for the Qur’an to say “Obey Allah and His Messenger” than to simply say “Obey Allah” or “Obey what Muhammad follows”. The first is confusing without needing to explain why, and the second is silly because Muhammad (SAW) was divulging the Qur’an and thus he might be following himself! It would be redundant to say “Obey what the Messenger follows” because the Message was being delivered by a person, and therefore we have to obey that person anyway (again he might be following himself). The Qur’an might have said “Obey the Message” but then luckily Muhammad (SAW) is instructed to do only that in 5:43-50 and many other places (e.g. 7:203, 10:15. The Qur’an is the sole guidance (2:63, 2:91, 2:176, 6:19, 6:114-115, 6:157, 7:144-147, 7:169-171, 12:111, 18:27, 21:45, 39:23, 45:6 etc.)). It is after all necessary to know exactly where that Message is coming from (saying “Messenger” instead of “Message” clarifies this). It is especially applicable since the Qur’an records Allah’s (SWT) mandate for His Messenger to pass on orders (e.g. beginning ayat with “Say:”). No-one at the time had a paperback Qur’an, thus of course it was necessary to follow Muhammad (SAW). Ayat such as 7:58 explain that the Qur’an repeats ayat to help us understand it.



Response to 4:13


“These are Allah's limits, and whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, He will cause him to enter gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them; and this is the great achievement.”

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The previous two ayat detail the rules of inheritance. Therefore 4:13 is re-emphasising the fact that to obey the Qur’anic injunctions is to obey the Messenger and hence Allah (SWT).



The hadith you quoted is ultimate shirk:


“Surely I am Allah, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and keep up prayer for My remembrance.”

Qur’an 20:14


“Say. Surely my prayer and my sacrifice and my life and my death are [all] for Allah, the Lord of the worlds;”

Qur’an 6:162


(You don’t even submit in your Shahada)

 

[MesMorial]

And so on it is not hard to expose your attitudes above all things. I might continue more later.

 

[MesMorial]

If your hadith about people on their courches is right, then bring the second Qur'an that you got it from and your witness (concerning prohibitions). My point is not to disprove you but to clean up your arrogance.

 

[جوري]

If your hadith about people on their courches is right, then bring the second Qur'an that you got it from and your witness (concerning prohibitions). My point is not to disprove you but to clean up your arrogance.

Dude.. you're so irrelevant that even if I had 'arrogance' I'd not be using it on you-- I frankly pity you, you're more apt at projecting your own inadequacies than offering a proper argument.

We've all seen the argument and the counter argument.. question is have you?

I'd start here:

http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=22394&dgn=4​

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?Doc=4&Rec=4580 ​

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Why we have to follow the Sunnah from www.islam-qa.com ​

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=604&dgn=4 ​

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=3440&dgn=4 ​

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http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/rejection.htm (analyses Surah 16:44) ​

http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/record.htm (proving that Hadith were recorded during time of Prophet and companions time) ​

http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/perception.htm (he makes good points on why we need hadith around the middle of the article. He says that they are the same people who transmitted the Quran. He gives examples of so called contradictions in the hadith. He gives a beautiful argument from Surah 2:143)​

Prophesies of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that came true from hadith. Thus proving that there are divine revelations sent down to Muhammad except the Quran: ​

http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/hp.htm​

http://www.answering-christianity.com/prophecies_muh.htm​

http://www.answering-christianity.com/signs_of_the_hour.htm​

http://www.answering-christianity.com/the_unseen.htm (this shows that Allah allows Prophets to prophesize about the future) ​

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http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Polemics/sverses.html (A hadith miracle) ​

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/hadith.html (early hadith manuscripts) ​

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/muwatta.html (people argue that the early Muwatta manuscripts are not reliable, but this link refutes it) ​

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/bukhari.html (defending the collection of hadith by Bukhari and Muslim) ​

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/exisnad.html (shows the strengths of isnad for supporting hadith) ​

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/narraulum.html (this link deals with people who argue that hadith have been inserted into Saheeh Bukhari after his death) ​

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Tafseer/Ulum/ (to know about the Tafsir of Quran)​

http://www.albalagh.net/prophethood/response_rejecters.shtml (very good article that refutes some of the arguments of hadith rejecters) ​

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http://www.qss.org/articles/status.html (Sheikh Al Albany gives good arguments as to why some verses of the Quran needs Sunnah to explain them. Use his point on the thief. Take point number 2) ​

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http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=285 (what the early Muslims said about following the Sunnah) ​

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http://www.answering-christianity.com/cgi-bin/message_boa
rd_islam/read_post.cgi?file_name=654/42.txt (a list of scholars names who followed hadith before Bukhari) ​

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http://www.whyislam.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3772&PN=1 (very good article, read his section on ‘The Proliferation of Chains’) ​

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1846&CATE=120 (fallacies of anti hadith arguments)​

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=604&dgn=4 (justification for following the sunnah)​

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http://www.livingislam.org/ps16_e.html (The Probativeness of the Sunna)

http://www.islamicperspectives.com/HadithProject2.htm (go to the subsection titled "RELIGIOUS PRACTICES ASSUMED IN THE QUR'AN BUT NOT INSTITUTED BY IT")



makes your petty psychoanalysis, and improper usage of the Quran, quite laughable!


all the best

 

[Dagless]

I did read the other thread too (not by you, but another username with the same beliefs). It was interesting up until the copying and pasting and ignoring of questions. I think it's a good thread to read if only for Muraad's explanation (which I think he should make a little longer for those of us who do not understand Arabic well).

Without getting into a deep lengthy debate; I still don't understand what you have against the sunnah. Nobody here has said they take the sunnah above the Quran (which it seems is your fear), so there would be no chance of going against God's word.

I also don't see how you can accept the Quran but nothing else. Essentially you're saying you trust this one part of what the prophet (pbuh) said but reject everything else. Worse still it implies the prophet (pbuh) did not live his life according to the law of Allah. Your view seems odd.

 

[جوري]

Now you wonder why Islam is in such bad shape - it is because you are close-minded to anything outside of your club. Peace.

Islam is in bad shape? despite efforts of deviants such as yourself and monumental western effort to turn Islam into the new communism. Islam is still fastest growing religion and soon to be the first largest!

Where have you been? but I suppose that is the kind of propagandist B.S what the negligible variety like to presume!

all the best

 

[Rabi Mansur]

This is what is going to get Islam in deep trouble when you have people like this coming in and trying to change everything. It already ripped Christianity apart with our protestant reformation and now you want to mess Islam up too? Look at where reform got Christianity. Divided and billions of people confused about what is right and what isn't because everyone thinks they're right.

Please note that I haven't yet read your thoughts as I am not well versed yet in the intricacies of Islam but I am learning. I am not a Muslim but I am studying the religion. While I commend you for trying to make sure it's important that Muslims continue to read and memorize and live by the Koran, I think it's dangerous to try and disregard the Sunnah and Hadith as nothing. They're not the words of the one true God but I think they are helpful to keeping Muslims on track. Why would you want to change it and call Sunnis misguided? That's not helpful. That's not love. It's just a way to create trouble and turn non-Muslims away from Islam. One of the reasons why people leave Christianity is because they see Islam as more unified but when you start to chisel cracks into it like this, the base of it will falter and crumble into a thousand pieces. Is that what you want?

Yes this is something that has amazed me. Although there is an obvious rift between the Sunni and Shia, there is still an amazing unity on the essentials of what it means to be Muslim. What especially amazes me in this regard is that there is NO POPE OR OTHER AUTHORITY FIGURE TO TELL MUSLIMS WHAT TO DO. In other religions, if there is unity there tends to be someone at the top who tells everyone how to follow the essentials of the faith. In Mormonism there is the "prophet," in Catholicism there is the Pope, in Jehovah's Witness they have a governing board, etc. Islam has no central figure telling everyone what to do. I find this fascinating that there can still be unity and pretty solid agreement on the essentials of the Ummah. I love it. :shade:
:wa:

 

[Ramadhan]

If your hadith about people on their courches is right, then bring the second Qur'an that you got it from and your witness (concerning prohibitions). My point is not to disprove you but to clean up your arrogance.

You keep claiming that close to 100% muslims treat ahadith as qur'an.

This alone shows how dishonest you are.

And on arrogance, I think you need a mirror, dude.

 

[MesMorial]

Why do people post links instead of looking at the Qur'an? Why do you accuse me of being arrogant since it was you who laughed at me out of your own fear despite my first post being polite. Also where did I say I reject all ahadith? They are examples and history, but it should be people's choice to follow what they wish as long as it does not mean they label/compel others. If you don't worship ahadith then why do you react so aggressively? Why do you fear that I am changing things if you don't worship ahadith?


Response to 4:80



“Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah, and whoever turns back, so We have not sent you as a keeper over them.”

80


See notes for 3:79. Muhammad (SAW) delivered Allah’s (SWT) Message and was ordered to judge only by the Qur’an ((5:43-50, 5:51-52)). We also know that what Muhammad (SAW) as a Messenger of religious law decided was what Allah (SWT) decided (33:36). This is a reminder to the people that Muhammad (SAW) is a Messenger, and since he is not acting of his own volition, he will obey Allah (SWT) and leave those who turn back to do so. See also notes for 4:59, 4:171-172 and 9:3. Besides, the surrounding ayat place this purely in the context of warfare.

 

[MesMorial]

In Mormonism there is the "prophet

Hmmm it reminds me of something. Sunnis tell everyone what to do.

 

[MesMorial]

Why do you claim that I claim that close to 100% of Muslims are idol-worshippers? The majority merely follow but do not actually follow their own interpretation (so are not really intending to do wrong).

After all, the Qur'an says that the majority of believers are idol-worshippers:


"And most of them do not believe in Allah without associating others [with Him]."

Qur'an 12:106


They could not explain why you "have" to follow ahadith using the Qur'an but they need to flood with links. The commentary is 99% my own work and yet no-one can reply?

About ahadith prophecies:

Allah (SWT) alone is knower of the unseen. Muhammad (SAW) knows of the unseen only that which is disclosed to him (via Revelation) (7:188, 46:9). 72:26-28 states that Allah (SWT) does not reveal the unseen to anyone except to whom he chooses as Messenger. The unseen there is specified in 72:27 to be the Message (Qur’an).

Peace.

P.S. If you were not so arrogant you would be happier.

 

[Aprender]

Why do people post links instead of looking at the Qur'an? Why do you accuse me of being arrogant since it was you who laughed at me out of your own fear despite my first post being polite. Also where did I say I reject all ahadith? They are examples and history, but it should be people's choice to follow what they wish as long as it does not mean they label/compel others. If you don't worship ahadith then why do you react so aggressively? Why do you fear that I am changing things if you don't worship ahadith?

Right...^o) What you wrote was very hypocritical.

 

[MesMorial]

No, as I said the people here were rude first. I am merely responding.

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5 Pillars from the Qur'an (thus eliminating need for most ahadith although some are ok examples of how to implement if we want)


SHAHADA



“When his (Abraham’s) Lord said to him, Be a Muslim, he said: I submit myself to the Lord of the worlds.”

Qur’an 2:131


“Allah bears witness that there is no god but He, and (so do) the angels and those possessed of knowledge, maintaining His creation with justice; there is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise.”

Qur’an 3:18


“But if they dispute with you, say: I have submitted myself entirely to Allah and (so) every one who follows me; and say to those who have been given the Book and the unlearned people: Do you submit yourselves? So if they submit then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, then upon you is only the delivery of the message and Allah sees the servants.”

Qur’an 3:20


“And We made the children of Israel to pass through the sea, then Firon and his hosts followed them for oppression and tyranny; until when drowning overtook him, he said: I believe that there is no god but He in Whom the children of Israel believe and I am of those who submit.”

Qur’an 10:90


“Say: I am forbidden to serve those whom you call upon besides Allah when clear arguments have come to me from my Lord, and I am commanded that I should submit to the Lord of the worlds.”

Qur’an 40:66


Thus the Shahada is:

“There is no god but Allah; I submit to the Lord of the Universe.” It is interesting that despite “Islam” meaning “Submission” and “Muslim” meaning “Submitter”, the traditional Muslims do not submit in their declaration of faith. Is it me or is something wrong?



SALAAT



Please refer to my article “Salaat in the Qur’an Alone”.



ZAKAT



“They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder.”

Qur’an 2:219


Ideally, it would be a progressive tax system.



HAJJ



The where-and-when are clear in the Qur’an:


“Most surely the first house appointed for men is the one at Bekka (Mecca), blessed and a guidance for the nations. In it are clear signs, the standing place of Ibrahim, and whoever enters it shall be secure, and pilgrimage to the House is incumbent upon men for the sake of Allah, [upon] every one who is able to undertake the journey to it; and whoever disbelieves, then surely Allah is Self-sufficient, above any need of the worlds.”

Qur’an 3:96-97


“And He it is Who held back their hands from you and your hands from them in the valley of Mecca after He had given you victory over them; and Allah is Seeing what you do. It is they who disbelieved and turned you away from the Sacred Mosque…”

Qur’an 48:24-25


“They ask you concerning the new moon. Say: They are times appointed for [the benefit of] men, and [for] the pilgrimage…”

Qur’an 2:189


Let us look for the “sacred months”. These months were well known (9:37) just as the months of the Hajj were well known (2:197):

Zul-Hijjah and Muharram (“pilgrimage” and “forbidden”) are obvious choices. The month preceding Zul-Hijjah (Zul-Qa’da) carries a name conveying “sitting” (i.e. not fighting). We know from the Qur’an that fighting was and still is forbidden in the sacred months, and furthermore people had to prepare for the Pilgrimage. Therefore this month is included. Finally, the isolated sacred month (Rajab) carries a name conveying “respect”. These sacred months are confirmed by history (and) the most “authentic” hadith, the Final Sermon. No other months carry names suggestive of their being sacred.

Other Qur’an alone Muslims differ. They say:


“The four sacred months are Zul-Hijjah, Muharram, Safar and Rabi’ I (the 12th, 1st, 2nd and 3rd months). The name of the first is self-explanatory whilst Rabi’ is derived from the root word Araba (conveying “four”). Now there are two months in the lunar calendar with the name Rabi’; the third month Rabi’I and the fourth month Rabi’II. Use of the word in the fourth month is understandable, whilst its use in the third suggests that it is the fourth sacred month.

The Qur’an implies in ayat 9:1-5 that the sacred months are consecutive.”


Firstly the reason that there are two months sharing the names of “Rabi’” is the same reason why there are two months sharing the name “Jumada” (summer). “Rabi’” in these instances means “spring” and it simply refers to the time of the year when these lunar months were named. It has nothing to do with sacred months. Secondly the relevant Qur’anic ayat are these:


“So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers.”

Qur’an 9:2


“So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.”

Qur’an 9:5


Ayah 9:2 does not provide details to support or refute the idea of consecutive sacred months, since it will depend on the reader’s interpretation. What is to suggest that “going about in the land for four months” does not refer to going about in the land for four months of the year?? Ayah 9:5 can be interpreted to mean “when the sacred months are not ensuing (this is applicable because Muharram is the first lunar month and it is sacred). Rajab will come, but when it has passed, it has passed.

To support this view, the policy/punishment to the guilty idolaters in 9:1-5 is applicable not just to one year, but to every year in which they are around:


“O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque AFTER THIS YEAR of theirs; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.”

Qur’an 9:28


Thus it is appropriate to say that the four months referred to in 9:2 and 9:5 means four months of the year (i.e. each year), and not one specific set of four months.



ABSTENTIONS (EHRAAM) DURING HAJJ:

Hunting (5:1-2), (5:95)
War and fighting (2:217)
Sexual intercourse, misconduct and arguments (2:197)
The cutting of the hair (2:196)


RITES:

The ‘Tawaaf’ (circling the Kaaba) (22:26, 29)
The Safa and Marwah (2:158)
Mount Arafat (2:198)
Animal Offerings (22:36), (5:97)

These are the rites of Hajj that are decreed by Allah (SWT).

The following are the Pagan rituals of Hajj which are not decreed by Allah (SWT) and have no basis nor authorization within Islam:

1.Black Stone
2.The water of zamzam
3.The stoning ritual
4.The Hajj garments (white towels)
5.Hajj via deputisation.
6.Women not allowed to perform the Hajj without a Mihrim.
7.Women (during menstruation) deprived of their prayers (thus not completing Hajj rituals).
8.Visiting the Prophet’s tomb in Medina and declaring it yet another “sacred masjid”. That is idol-worship.



FASTING



“(Fasting is) for a fixed number of days; and if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. And for those who can do it with great difficulty/great effort, is a ransom (if they do not fast), the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that you fast, if you only knew. The month of Ramadhan in which was revealed the Qur'an, a guidance for mankind, and clear proofs of the guidance, and the Criterion (of right and wrong). And whosoever of you is present, let him fast the month, and whosoever of you is sick or on a journey, (let him fast the same) number of other days. Allah desires ease for you; He does not desire hardship for you; and (He desires) that you should complete the period, and that you should magnify Allah for having guided you, and that peradventure you may be thankful.”

Qur’an 2:183-185


“…and eat and drink until the whiteness of the day becomes distinct from the blackness of the night at dawn, then complete the fast till night…”

Qur’an 2:187


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Khuda Hafiz

 

[Aprender]

OK. Fine, I'll leave you here to your stubbornness. I won't argue anymore since I really have no insight into this topic at the moment.

Peace

 

[MesMorial]

Aprender

Islam is already mess. It has a high birth-rate also. Tell me if you believe in killing apostates. Tell me what good Islam does the world thanks to ahadith? What happened to "No compulsion in religion"? Why do so many Muslims never integrate into society? Name one good thing from the ahadith aside from a few examples of how to pray (the tone of which is on occasions during each day against the Qur'an)? I don't care how people pray or what context particular decisions (e.g. jizya, zakat how many times to circumbulate) were made because as I said they ahadith are history and follow if you wish. But as you see the Sunnis here are very arrogant people and they think that they have read the Qur'an. I have a Sunni friend and she is very nice and she does not call herself a Sunni. She is simply one of millions (or more) who are caught in their own social web.

Women are equal to black dogs according to "the Sunna". Choose whatever version you like. Just don't laugh (Muslims) lest ye be laughed at. It is not hard to continue.

Peace.

 

[MesMorial]

Oh and another point to be made is that Islam stands on its own with the Qur'an-alone. If you worry about rakas etc. then just read the Qur'an and pay attention to the purpose of prayer. If the ahadith did not exist then one would not be blame by following what was there. Since the ahadith exist then people can follow if they so wish but just don't label anyone and stop worrying about stupid questions and start following the Message (nowhere does Qur'an place following ahadith as a criterion for Paradise). Following the Messenger was necessary due to the fact that people did not have paperback Qur'ans and there was a contextual situation (thus Muhammad (SAW) was community leader and the best example in remembering Allah (SWT)).

Prohibit whatever but you should realise that ahadith with prophecies etc. are indications of what was happening at the time (the bad guys won the war, remember).

Anyway, the Qur'an refutes the "Sunna of Muhammad" since Muhammad (SAW) only followed the Qur'an:


"And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed."

Qur'an 5:48


Thus hadith selection should be based on what is appropriate in this day and age, and never mistaken for "divine revelation". That is my entire point but people are so blind they just label.

 

[Aprender]

I'll answer you since I saw this and I don't want to be "rude". Well, I've heard about the birth rate issue. I've heard about apostates being killed and as far as I know "no compulsion in religion" is still upheld. No one has held a gun to my head telling me to revert or die. And anytime I ask about Islam, Muslim sisters are always happy to answer any of my questions but not once have I been forced or coerced to convert or believe in Islam. I can't name anything good from the ahadith because I'm not familiar with any of them. I'm not quite done reading the Qu'ran so this is over my head right now. I'm coming into topic here from the outside looking in.

Where I live, there is no such thing as Sunni or Shiite Muslims. We talk about those divisions in classes at the university, and some professors even comment on how silly it is for a division to exist over a disagreement that happened centuries ago, but every person I know who practices Islam are all just called Muslims and that's that.

The problem I have with your statement is that you label ALL Sunni's as arrogant people. In the United States, ALL Muslims are labeled as terrorists. Even I know that's not fair.

 

[Dagless]

Just an observation: you've written lengthy posts one after another but haven't actually responded to those who've asked you honest questions. Look at the posts and answer them point by point please - mine, Tyrion, Muraad, and naidamar.

 

[Ramadhan]

Ideally, it would be a progressive tax system.

You really are a hypocrite. You kept saying we have to follow qur'an only to keep pure, but you introduced your opinion as how zakat should be paid. You are nothing but following your own desires.

Now answer this:
You claim that the only revelation prophet Muhammad SAW received was the Qur'an, then tell me how prophet Muhammad performed shalah the way it is?
By your logic, prophet Muhammad chose the movements and number of rakaats and the duas etc by his own will or randomly.

 

[Ramadhan]

Hmmm it reminds me of something. Sunnis tell everyone what to do.

You are spreading lies again. Tell me who are these "sunnis" you keep saying about?

Also, you do need mirror, you keep saying sunnis tell everyone what to do, but you are doing exactly that yourself. You keep saying that all "sunnis" are wrong for following qur'an and sunnah. You are saying that all of us are wrong and telling us what to do!

And please address and answers questions from br. muraad etc here instead of copy pasting your drivel.